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Some of the additional references discussed in the Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 January 13 have been added to the article. Bhaktivinode ( talk) 17:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, i am happy to see this article being developed, and I added about NRHP-listed properties for which Finn is listed as an architect. In some cases Finn may have had a less-than-primary role, such as perhaps for the Autry House where Cram & Ferguson may have been the principal designers. It would probably help to expand and/or create articles about all of the more than 15 NRHP-listed places, in order to clarify Finn's role for each of them. NRHP nomination documents are probably available online for all of them, although it is kind of cumbersome to get access to them. See wp:NRHPHELP#Texas for advice on getting to those sources.
Also I think I see there are some sources in the Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 January 13 which have not yet been used in this article. -- do ncr am 15:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
There are two buildings in Houston called the "James L. Autry House." No wonder why I was so confused! The first corresponds to the article
James L. Autry House, a community building at Rice University, built in 1921 by Cram and Ferguson. I can find no association of this facility with Alfred C. Finn. A second James L. Autry House has no Wikipedia page, and may not merit one. This second Autry House was built as a private residence for Autry in 1912 by
Sanguinet & Staats, and located at
Courtlandt Place, Houston. Finn was definitely employed with Sanguinet & Staats in 1912, but I cannot determine whether this was at their main office in Fort Worth, or if he had already transferred to the Houston office. {{{1}}}Of course, being in Fort Worth would not have precluded him from design work in Houston. So it's possible that Finn collaborated architecturally on this project, but I don't recall seeing credit given to him directly. I am not certain, but I am inclined to credit Sanguinet & Staats for this one, but not Finn.
I created a disambiguation hat note at James L. Autry House mentioning the James L. Autry House at Courtlandt Place. One factor that makes writing about architects a challenge is the collaborations which were often involved. Second, what counts as the design part of architecture? So there is much gray area. My goal, as I have time, is to migrate the information from the bottom of the article to the article's body and convert it to paragraph form. Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 20:54, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
<ref name=nrhpdoc>{{cite web|url=https://catalog.archives.gov/id/40972436 |title=National Register of Historic Places Registration: James L. Autry House |publisher=National Archives |author=Marie D. Landon |date=December 19, 1978 | accessdate=October 10, 2017 }} Includes eight photos. ({{NationalArchivesNote}})</ref>
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In this article about the architect, I think that the building should be called the Rice Hotel, with possibly a single mention that it is now (or since 20xx has been) known as "Rice Lofts". The historic name was presumably used in all mentions of Alfred Finn in conjunction with it. It is a further thing to possibly argue that the article should be moved to "Rice Hotel", which could be proposed as a wp:RM at its Talk page, but that is not necessary for us to choose to use "Rice Hotel" in this article. -- do ncr am 22:32, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Doncram:: There are no robust sources for Finn and his work. Unlike John F. Staub, nobody wrote a book about his work. Therefore, additional information will come from books and articles on other subjects. There are other examples of his work which appear neither in the main article nor the list, and should be adding to both as I am reading a Jesse H. Jones biography. I am about to make it to the part about the 1928 Democratic Convention: Finn was a critical player in facilitating the event.
Those spare parts hanging out in the Works section of the main article are waiting for incorporation into the essay, but proves to be more difficult when there are no Wikipedia articles for those examples which would aid my research. So this article is more slow to develop than I wanted.
Any thoughts? Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 09:36, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
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Hi, i am happy to see this article being developed, and I added about NRHP-listed properties for which Finn is listed as an architect. In some cases Finn may have had a less-than-primary role, such as perhaps for the Autry House where Cram & Ferguson may have been the principal designers. It would probably help to expand and/or create articles about all of the more than 15 NRHP-listed places, in order to clarify Finn's role for each of them. NRHP nomination documents are probably available online for all of them, although it is kind of cumbersome to get access to them. See wp:NRHPHELP#Texas for advice on getting to those sources.
Also I think I see there are some sources in the Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 January 13 which have not yet been used in this article. -- do ncr am 15:38, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
There are two buildings in Houston called the "James L. Autry House." No wonder why I was so confused! The first corresponds to the article
James L. Autry House, a community building at Rice University, built in 1921 by Cram and Ferguson. I can find no association of this facility with Alfred C. Finn. A second James L. Autry House has no Wikipedia page, and may not merit one. This second Autry House was built as a private residence for Autry in 1912 by
Sanguinet & Staats, and located at
Courtlandt Place, Houston. Finn was definitely employed with Sanguinet & Staats in 1912, but I cannot determine whether this was at their main office in Fort Worth, or if he had already transferred to the Houston office. {{{1}}}Of course, being in Fort Worth would not have precluded him from design work in Houston. So it's possible that Finn collaborated architecturally on this project, but I don't recall seeing credit given to him directly. I am not certain, but I am inclined to credit Sanguinet & Staats for this one, but not Finn.
I created a disambiguation hat note at James L. Autry House mentioning the James L. Autry House at Courtlandt Place. One factor that makes writing about architects a challenge is the collaborations which were often involved. Second, what counts as the design part of architecture? So there is much gray area. My goal, as I have time, is to migrate the information from the bottom of the article to the article's body and convert it to paragraph form. Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 20:54, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
<ref name=nrhpdoc>{{cite web|url=https://catalog.archives.gov/id/40972436 |title=National Register of Historic Places Registration: James L. Autry House |publisher=National Archives |author=Marie D. Landon |date=December 19, 1978 | accessdate=October 10, 2017 }} Includes eight photos. ({{NationalArchivesNote}})</ref>
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In this article about the architect, I think that the building should be called the Rice Hotel, with possibly a single mention that it is now (or since 20xx has been) known as "Rice Lofts". The historic name was presumably used in all mentions of Alfred Finn in conjunction with it. It is a further thing to possibly argue that the article should be moved to "Rice Hotel", which could be proposed as a wp:RM at its Talk page, but that is not necessary for us to choose to use "Rice Hotel" in this article. -- do ncr am 22:32, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Doncram:: There are no robust sources for Finn and his work. Unlike John F. Staub, nobody wrote a book about his work. Therefore, additional information will come from books and articles on other subjects. There are other examples of his work which appear neither in the main article nor the list, and should be adding to both as I am reading a Jesse H. Jones biography. I am about to make it to the part about the 1928 Democratic Convention: Finn was a critical player in facilitating the event.
Those spare parts hanging out in the Works section of the main article are waiting for incorporation into the essay, but proves to be more difficult when there are no Wikipedia articles for those examples which would aid my research. So this article is more slow to develop than I wanted.
Any thoughts? Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 09:36, 26 September 2018 (UTC)