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![]() | On 13 August 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Alfa Romeo Alfasud to Alfasud. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
The result of the move request was: no consensus
4 editors (including the proposer) support the move. 2 editors oppose it.
I find there is consensus that both the current and proposed names are WP:COMMON NAMEs. The supporting editors argue that the proposed name is more WP:CONCISE. That policy states: "The goal of concision is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area." Although the proposed name is obviously shorter, I find there is no consensus as to whether it provides sufficient information for the general reader.
The opposing editors argue that the move is contra WP:CARNAMES. I find there is also no consensus on that point. The policy states: "Automobile nomenclature, including article titles, should generally take the form of make and model." This express a general rather than an absolute rule, and exceptions exist, such as Range Rover and Mini. One editor expresses that the article subject is clearly an exception, but this is not self-evident.
Any resubmission of this RM should clearly explain why the article subject is an exception to the general rule. ( non-admin closure) Havelock Jones ( talk) 09:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Alfa Romeo Alfasud →
Alfasud – More
WP:CONCISE and less redundant. No other pages with similar names so no need for disambiguation. A cursory search shows plenty of examples of "Alfasud" being used without "Alfa Romeo" coming before it (
Evo,
Jalopnik,
Goodwood
The Telegraph,
Top Gear), and at a glance it would appear that both the current title and suggested title are
WP:COMMONNAMEs. Consistent with how we use "
Range Rover" as an article title and not "
Land Rover Range Rover".
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
talk) 10:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
talk) 10:34, 13 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. —
Shibbolethink (
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16:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Automobile nomenclature, including article titles, should generally take the form of make and model,which has been a long-standing de facto convention. In fact, I think it's so ingrained that most readers would think that the bare Alfasud was some kind of sub-brand rather than a single model. There are numerous models with unique names yet Safrane, Tiguan, Mondeo are all redirects. No such user ( talk) 09:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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![]() | On 13 August 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Alfa Romeo Alfasud to Alfasud. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
The result of the move request was: no consensus
4 editors (including the proposer) support the move. 2 editors oppose it.
I find there is consensus that both the current and proposed names are WP:COMMON NAMEs. The supporting editors argue that the proposed name is more WP:CONCISE. That policy states: "The goal of concision is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area." Although the proposed name is obviously shorter, I find there is no consensus as to whether it provides sufficient information for the general reader.
The opposing editors argue that the move is contra WP:CARNAMES. I find there is also no consensus on that point. The policy states: "Automobile nomenclature, including article titles, should generally take the form of make and model." This express a general rather than an absolute rule, and exceptions exist, such as Range Rover and Mini. One editor expresses that the article subject is clearly an exception, but this is not self-evident.
Any resubmission of this RM should clearly explain why the article subject is an exception to the general rule. ( non-admin closure) Havelock Jones ( talk) 09:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Alfa Romeo Alfasud →
Alfasud – More
WP:CONCISE and less redundant. No other pages with similar names so no need for disambiguation. A cursory search shows plenty of examples of "Alfasud" being used without "Alfa Romeo" coming before it (
Evo,
Jalopnik,
Goodwood
The Telegraph,
Top Gear), and at a glance it would appear that both the current title and suggested title are
WP:COMMONNAMEs. Consistent with how we use "
Range Rover" as an article title and not "
Land Rover Range Rover".
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
talk) 10:33, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
talk) 10:34, 13 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. —
Shibbolethink (
♔
♕)
16:34, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Automobile nomenclature, including article titles, should generally take the form of make and model,which has been a long-standing de facto convention. In fact, I think it's so ingrained that most readers would think that the bare Alfasud was some kind of sub-brand rather than a single model. There are numerous models with unique names yet Safrane, Tiguan, Mondeo are all redirects. No such user ( talk) 09:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)