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I corrected that error someone placed in the text. I've gone through Wikisource and they are rondels, not rondeax. Nice rondels by the way. Parnassian, but nice. Alex contributing from L.A. ( talk) 09:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The article looks fantastic now. The first European writer to write in free verse? Walt Whitman is American, but Matthew Arnold wrote some early examples of free verse, I will check when his earliest examples date from. A from L.A. ( talk) 10:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
For the record, in The Origins of Free Verse, H. T. Kirby-Smith nominates Barnabe Barnes (d. 1609) as the first free-verse writer in English. - Biruitorul Talk 18:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Overall, I'm fine with this, but let me point out that a reference to the claim having been made would probably be relevant for the lead. Also, let me point out two other things: the sources that do describe Macedonski as such may have inscrutable definitions of "free verse", "European" or "modern". I.e.: censuring the claim because other sources mention earlier poets having done the same in English may fail one or all of those definitions. But, in any case, invoking sources which do not deal with Macedonski to entirely remove from the lead what generally appears in sources mentioning Macedonski strikes me as a little too close to WP:SYNTH. Overall, it doesn't matter how accurate the claim is: as long as it is voiced neutrally in the article (as I hope I did), it should also be relevant. Right? Dahn ( talk) 21:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:C'est le repos éclairé, ni fièvre ni langueur, sur le lit ou sur le pré. :C'est l'ami ni ardent ni faible. L'ami. :C'est l'aimée ni tourmentante ni tourmentée. L'aimée. :L'air et le monde point cherchés. La vie. :— Etait-ce donc ceci ? :— Et le rêve fraîchit.
--- A from L.A. ( talk) 22:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I could not agree more on the principle: Macedonski's poem (which is indeed awful, with or without the free verse thing) was apparently a one-time occurrence in his own career; he himself was not aware of the innovative aspects, but apparently capitalized on them once he was told he may have been a pioneer in the field; it would be indeed ridiculous to expect French and other non-Romanian authors to actually engage in "who gets there first" races, especially when Macedonski was one of the "contenders". But, as absurd, obtuse and biased the claim may be, it is one of the most relevant things about Macedonski. Certainly not one of the most relevant things about European literature, vers libre, or modernity - it's a decent detail for the lead here, it would be indecent as anything other than (at most) a passing mention in articles such as free verse. Dahn ( talk) 22:09, 2 December 2008 (UTC) It´s stupid
the Poetry Project has recently changed this article to B class due to good referencing, though we do have questions about some of the WP:Redlinks and other small issues in the article. Please feel free to discuss the redlink issue here and maybe we can help to fill in some of the pages or decide to unlink a few of the terms that will not be made into pages in the near future, increasing this articles GAC chances. Mrathel ( talk) 14:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
What is the best way to include the fact that Macedonski has been included (Rondel of the Dying Roses/Rondelul rozelor ce mor) in Testament - Anthology of Modern Romanian Verse - Bilingual Edition (English/Romanian) - Daniel Ionita, Editura Minerva 2012? The work is of some significance, since it is the first comprehensive representation of the whole of Romanian poetry in English (well, from 1850, starting with Alecsandri, to the present, finishing with the likes of Ioan Es.Pop, Daniel Banulescu, Lucian Vasilescu, Nora Iuga etc).
Since he was grandson of Dimitris Macedonski, he had and Greek origins, not only Vlach or Slav. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.190.95.249 ( talk) 20:53, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Macedonski's origins are unclear by all definitions. He thought himself a Lithuanian, which is to say that he did not identify as any kind of South Slav or, even less so, Greek or Aromanian. The factual origins may in fact be Slavic, but we cannot say for sure that they were Bulgarian or Serb -- in large part, this is because the divide between Bulgarians and Serbs was extremely blurry before 1870 (Romanian sources routinely called Bulgarians "Serbs", even though both peoples were just across the Danube). As for him being Greek -- I know this fashion a la Mormon baptism, but it is entirely questionable that even his ancestor Dimitrie/Dimitris/Demetar thought of himself as Greek. This is not a game, people.
Neither is it a game to claim that Macedonski was LGBT based on vague allegations and someone's (whose?) guess that he is the basis for a gay protagonist in Apollinaire's work. If this were in any way more substantiated, I would add the category myself; but it is not. Dahn ( talk) 11:48, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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I corrected that error someone placed in the text. I've gone through Wikisource and they are rondels, not rondeax. Nice rondels by the way. Parnassian, but nice. Alex contributing from L.A. ( talk) 09:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
The article looks fantastic now. The first European writer to write in free verse? Walt Whitman is American, but Matthew Arnold wrote some early examples of free verse, I will check when his earliest examples date from. A from L.A. ( talk) 10:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
For the record, in The Origins of Free Verse, H. T. Kirby-Smith nominates Barnabe Barnes (d. 1609) as the first free-verse writer in English. - Biruitorul Talk 18:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Overall, I'm fine with this, but let me point out that a reference to the claim having been made would probably be relevant for the lead. Also, let me point out two other things: the sources that do describe Macedonski as such may have inscrutable definitions of "free verse", "European" or "modern". I.e.: censuring the claim because other sources mention earlier poets having done the same in English may fail one or all of those definitions. But, in any case, invoking sources which do not deal with Macedonski to entirely remove from the lead what generally appears in sources mentioning Macedonski strikes me as a little too close to WP:SYNTH. Overall, it doesn't matter how accurate the claim is: as long as it is voiced neutrally in the article (as I hope I did), it should also be relevant. Right? Dahn ( talk) 21:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:C'est le repos éclairé, ni fièvre ni langueur, sur le lit ou sur le pré. :C'est l'ami ni ardent ni faible. L'ami. :C'est l'aimée ni tourmentante ni tourmentée. L'aimée. :L'air et le monde point cherchés. La vie. :— Etait-ce donc ceci ? :— Et le rêve fraîchit.
--- A from L.A. ( talk) 22:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I could not agree more on the principle: Macedonski's poem (which is indeed awful, with or without the free verse thing) was apparently a one-time occurrence in his own career; he himself was not aware of the innovative aspects, but apparently capitalized on them once he was told he may have been a pioneer in the field; it would be indeed ridiculous to expect French and other non-Romanian authors to actually engage in "who gets there first" races, especially when Macedonski was one of the "contenders". But, as absurd, obtuse and biased the claim may be, it is one of the most relevant things about Macedonski. Certainly not one of the most relevant things about European literature, vers libre, or modernity - it's a decent detail for the lead here, it would be indecent as anything other than (at most) a passing mention in articles such as free verse. Dahn ( talk) 22:09, 2 December 2008 (UTC) It´s stupid
the Poetry Project has recently changed this article to B class due to good referencing, though we do have questions about some of the WP:Redlinks and other small issues in the article. Please feel free to discuss the redlink issue here and maybe we can help to fill in some of the pages or decide to unlink a few of the terms that will not be made into pages in the near future, increasing this articles GAC chances. Mrathel ( talk) 14:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
What is the best way to include the fact that Macedonski has been included (Rondel of the Dying Roses/Rondelul rozelor ce mor) in Testament - Anthology of Modern Romanian Verse - Bilingual Edition (English/Romanian) - Daniel Ionita, Editura Minerva 2012? The work is of some significance, since it is the first comprehensive representation of the whole of Romanian poetry in English (well, from 1850, starting with Alecsandri, to the present, finishing with the likes of Ioan Es.Pop, Daniel Banulescu, Lucian Vasilescu, Nora Iuga etc).
Since he was grandson of Dimitris Macedonski, he had and Greek origins, not only Vlach or Slav. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.190.95.249 ( talk) 20:53, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Macedonski's origins are unclear by all definitions. He thought himself a Lithuanian, which is to say that he did not identify as any kind of South Slav or, even less so, Greek or Aromanian. The factual origins may in fact be Slavic, but we cannot say for sure that they were Bulgarian or Serb -- in large part, this is because the divide between Bulgarians and Serbs was extremely blurry before 1870 (Romanian sources routinely called Bulgarians "Serbs", even though both peoples were just across the Danube). As for him being Greek -- I know this fashion a la Mormon baptism, but it is entirely questionable that even his ancestor Dimitrie/Dimitris/Demetar thought of himself as Greek. This is not a game, people.
Neither is it a game to claim that Macedonski was LGBT based on vague allegations and someone's (whose?) guess that he is the basis for a gay protagonist in Apollinaire's work. If this were in any way more substantiated, I would add the category myself; but it is not. Dahn ( talk) 11:48, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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