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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Alexander Zhuravlyov's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Kharkiv":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus in the discussion is that, while the "Zhuravlev" spelling does appear somewhat more often than "Zhuravlyov" does, it is not sufficiently common to override the recommendations in WP:RUS. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 15:25, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Alexander Zhuravlyov → Alexander Zhuravlev – WP:COMMONNAME: the proposed spelling of the last name is used in 60% of news items found. The current spelling of the given name is used in 74% of them.
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— Michael Z. 18:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
If there are too few reliable English-language sources to constitute an established usage, follow the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject (German for German politicians, Portuguese for Brazilian towns, and so on). For lesser known geographical objects or structures with few reliable English sources, follow the translation convention, if any, used for well known objects or structures of the same type.The point is, " Gorbachev" is indeed an English COMMONNAME of the last Soviet leader Mikhail Sergeyevich (Sergeievich? Sergeevich? See what I did here?) and the readers would indeed be astonished to find his article titled "Gorbachov". But transliteration of East Slavic names has been historically haphazard in sources, and for lesser-known ones samples will be all over the place (such as this one). From my perspective, your recent batch of proposed moves mostly consists of renaming for the sake of renaming, and using slightly different transliterations brings very little tangible benefit for readers. There probably are a few worthy of renaming (as I mentioned, fighting for ⟨ё⟩ is probably a lost cause), but our apparent knee-jerk opposition is not entirely without merit (and has some history in the previous
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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Alexander Zhuravlyov's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Kharkiv":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus in the discussion is that, while the "Zhuravlev" spelling does appear somewhat more often than "Zhuravlyov" does, it is not sufficiently common to override the recommendations in WP:RUS. ( non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 15:25, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Alexander Zhuravlyov → Alexander Zhuravlev – WP:COMMONNAME: the proposed spelling of the last name is used in 60% of news items found. The current spelling of the given name is used in 74% of them.
Google News search results:
— Michael Z. 18:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
If there are too few reliable English-language sources to constitute an established usage, follow the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject (German for German politicians, Portuguese for Brazilian towns, and so on). For lesser known geographical objects or structures with few reliable English sources, follow the translation convention, if any, used for well known objects or structures of the same type.The point is, " Gorbachev" is indeed an English COMMONNAME of the last Soviet leader Mikhail Sergeyevich (Sergeievich? Sergeevich? See what I did here?) and the readers would indeed be astonished to find his article titled "Gorbachov". But transliteration of East Slavic names has been historically haphazard in sources, and for lesser-known ones samples will be all over the place (such as this one). From my perspective, your recent batch of proposed moves mostly consists of renaming for the sake of renaming, and using slightly different transliterations brings very little tangible benefit for readers. There probably are a few worthy of renaming (as I mentioned, fighting for ⟨ё⟩ is probably a lost cause), but our apparent knee-jerk opposition is not entirely without merit (and has some history in the previous