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Among other concerns with this and other related articles, discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Scotland#Bloating_in_Gaels_articles, this article appears to discuss the subject in an adulatory fashion and to use some questionable characterisations. For example, the term "the Whig-single party state" is employed a couple of times. What is the basis for this shrill-sounding term? As I understand it, the parliament of the day had Whigs, Tories, independents and Whigs that were in opposition to the government. How does that square? That Cameron's uncle "commanded one of the Independent Highland Companies in the service of the Whig-single party state in the 1745 rising" is followed by "only to become important to Scottish Gaelic literature after it ended" seems to be framed as if that is somehow contradictory. What is being advanced there? Government-supporting Gaels were, by defintion, traitors to their language and culture? I'm not sure how it sits with policy but the repeated terming of the subject as Fr. Cameron, likewise other priests as Fr., Monsignor or Bishop Foo has an effect on the neutrality of the tone. These are just some examples. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 19:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
I'll also note with a tag the concerns with the bloating of the article with much material that is not directly pertinent. I removed some of the most obviously off-topic sections but there is still much, more dispersed throughout the article that detracts from its focus. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 19:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
I've just clocked that the article is overwhelmingly sourced to a single work (Thomas Wynne (2011), The Forgotten Cameron of the '45: The Life and Times of Alexander Cameron S.J, Print Smith, Fort William, Scotland) and this is self-published. That surely throws the reliability of the article in grave doubt. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 10:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
When there is a freely accessible special academic issue about The Lyon in Mourning and its influence, it is superior to cite that rather than just quote Jacobite atrocity propaganda from a primary source. ( t · c) buidhe 04:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
This is an encyclopedia, not a hagiography. Noting the campaign for canonisation may be appropriate but if framed and sourced neutrally, not in these (understandably, given the source) highly partial terms, from a primary source, Facebook, for goodness sake. The long quote is particularly inappropriate. Please reinstate its removal, unless and until you gain consensus otherwise. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 16:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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Among other concerns with this and other related articles, discussed at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Scotland#Bloating_in_Gaels_articles, this article appears to discuss the subject in an adulatory fashion and to use some questionable characterisations. For example, the term "the Whig-single party state" is employed a couple of times. What is the basis for this shrill-sounding term? As I understand it, the parliament of the day had Whigs, Tories, independents and Whigs that were in opposition to the government. How does that square? That Cameron's uncle "commanded one of the Independent Highland Companies in the service of the Whig-single party state in the 1745 rising" is followed by "only to become important to Scottish Gaelic literature after it ended" seems to be framed as if that is somehow contradictory. What is being advanced there? Government-supporting Gaels were, by defintion, traitors to their language and culture? I'm not sure how it sits with policy but the repeated terming of the subject as Fr. Cameron, likewise other priests as Fr., Monsignor or Bishop Foo has an effect on the neutrality of the tone. These are just some examples. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 19:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
I'll also note with a tag the concerns with the bloating of the article with much material that is not directly pertinent. I removed some of the most obviously off-topic sections but there is still much, more dispersed throughout the article that detracts from its focus. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 19:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
I've just clocked that the article is overwhelmingly sourced to a single work (Thomas Wynne (2011), The Forgotten Cameron of the '45: The Life and Times of Alexander Cameron S.J, Print Smith, Fort William, Scotland) and this is self-published. That surely throws the reliability of the article in grave doubt. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 10:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
When there is a freely accessible special academic issue about The Lyon in Mourning and its influence, it is superior to cite that rather than just quote Jacobite atrocity propaganda from a primary source. ( t · c) buidhe 04:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
This is an encyclopedia, not a hagiography. Noting the campaign for canonisation may be appropriate but if framed and sourced neutrally, not in these (understandably, given the source) highly partial terms, from a primary source, Facebook, for goodness sake. The long quote is particularly inappropriate. Please reinstate its removal, unless and until you gain consensus otherwise. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 16:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)