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A fact from Alex Phillips (TV presenter) appeared on Wikipedia's
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As I write, this article is called Alexandra Phillips (politician). This is deeply confusing and the hatnote
is inadequate to make it clear that this is not the only MEP for South East England elected in 2019 called Alexandra Phillips.
Distinguishing by using a nickname is not such a bad idea, and what I used to separate the two articles Nicholas Davies (journalist) and Nick Davies (not only both prominent journalists usually called Nick Davies, but once working in the same building). Adding '(politician)' or '(journalist)' doesn't help much when both have the same occupation. However, there is a problem in that for all we know the Brexit Party MEP is also called Alex to her friends (can someone please check?), and in official and semi-official contexts the Green MEP is known as Alexandra too. [1]
It's a problem that Alex Phillips (politician) pointed to the Green Mayor and now User:Moonraker moved [2] page Alexandra Phillips (Brexit politician) to Alexandra Phillips (politician): (Comment was 'When someone has belonged to three parties, it is invidious to refer to only one of them.') No, why would you impute bad intent to anyone pointing out the main distinguishing feature? Suggesting the Mayor is a member of the Brexit party could be a BLP problem. Given the two subjects have similar status, using current notability is reasonable, and the fact that 'Brexit' is not the name of the party but does encompass UKIP, it seems a confusing and unwise move. As I write, this confusion is shown by the fact the article text contains this:
So the obvious proposal is that Alex Phillips (politician), which is ambiguous, goes to the disambiguation page, as does Alexandra_Phillips and this page is moved to a title that includes the disambiguating feature, probably as it was before. -- Cedders tk 16:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, this is looking like pretty overwhelming consensus against using the initial in the title. As this isn't a formal RM discussion I'm just going to be bold and move it myself. Opera hat ( talk) 02:13, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
both Phillipses are called Alexandra in the cited source, I not sure I see why both Phillipses being called Alexandra in a cited source matters in terms of what we call them in the table as opposed - for example - to what they are known as or using the names of the articles as a starting point. I watched the BBC's coverage as it happened which showed a table which also had the names of the parties and thought, "Oh, whoever has hurriedly rushed out the figures has made an error and put down the same name twice for two different parties." That was partly due to typos etc. I have seen on the BBC previously. Wikipedia also has typos, bare urls etc. and it seemed to me that if it were possible to make a differentiation between the two then why would that opportunity not be taken e.g. Alex and Alexandra? -- The Vintage Feminist ( talk) 02:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
I'd suggest using the ' distinguish' template for hatnotes (rather than ' other people'), given the exceptional potential for confusion between the two articles for MEPs called Alexandra Phillips that exist. Referring to nickname is tricky with little in the way of sources (at least Nicholas Davies started writing under his full name eventually). Contrary to what has been adopted on Wikipedia so far, the Mirror [8] has
Alex Phillips (Brexit)
Alexandra Phillips (Green)
and I see this elsewhere [9]. The Notice of Poll [10] just has 'Alexandra Phillips' and 'Alexandra Lesley Phillips'.
Also IMHO 'cite news' and 'cite web' templates for references would be useful to improve linking and consistent formatting. -- Cedders tk 18:13, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Interesting that an IP-only address tried to remove this reliably sourced information just a few days after it was posted. Shtove 22:48, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
This sentence in the article does not seem to be accurate. The reference given does not mention the word 'enthralled', for example.
"She reported that this experience was an important factor in her later joining the party as she was enthralled by then leader Nigel Farage's personality, and supported the party's positions on the expansion of grammar schools, supporting fracking, and Euroscepticism.[4]"
Varnebank ( talk) 17:38, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/BrexitAlex/status/1194257358156976128?s=20
Do we know her ancestors? Did the female ones "fight for universal suffrage"? Is she of a family with a long history of such involvement, or a new entrant? Midgley ( talk) 21:12, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
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A fact from Alex Phillips (TV presenter) appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 2 July 2019 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
|
As I write, this article is called Alexandra Phillips (politician). This is deeply confusing and the hatnote
is inadequate to make it clear that this is not the only MEP for South East England elected in 2019 called Alexandra Phillips.
Distinguishing by using a nickname is not such a bad idea, and what I used to separate the two articles Nicholas Davies (journalist) and Nick Davies (not only both prominent journalists usually called Nick Davies, but once working in the same building). Adding '(politician)' or '(journalist)' doesn't help much when both have the same occupation. However, there is a problem in that for all we know the Brexit Party MEP is also called Alex to her friends (can someone please check?), and in official and semi-official contexts the Green MEP is known as Alexandra too. [1]
It's a problem that Alex Phillips (politician) pointed to the Green Mayor and now User:Moonraker moved [2] page Alexandra Phillips (Brexit politician) to Alexandra Phillips (politician): (Comment was 'When someone has belonged to three parties, it is invidious to refer to only one of them.') No, why would you impute bad intent to anyone pointing out the main distinguishing feature? Suggesting the Mayor is a member of the Brexit party could be a BLP problem. Given the two subjects have similar status, using current notability is reasonable, and the fact that 'Brexit' is not the name of the party but does encompass UKIP, it seems a confusing and unwise move. As I write, this confusion is shown by the fact the article text contains this:
So the obvious proposal is that Alex Phillips (politician), which is ambiguous, goes to the disambiguation page, as does Alexandra_Phillips and this page is moved to a title that includes the disambiguating feature, probably as it was before. -- Cedders tk 16:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, this is looking like pretty overwhelming consensus against using the initial in the title. As this isn't a formal RM discussion I'm just going to be bold and move it myself. Opera hat ( talk) 02:13, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
both Phillipses are called Alexandra in the cited source, I not sure I see why both Phillipses being called Alexandra in a cited source matters in terms of what we call them in the table as opposed - for example - to what they are known as or using the names of the articles as a starting point. I watched the BBC's coverage as it happened which showed a table which also had the names of the parties and thought, "Oh, whoever has hurriedly rushed out the figures has made an error and put down the same name twice for two different parties." That was partly due to typos etc. I have seen on the BBC previously. Wikipedia also has typos, bare urls etc. and it seemed to me that if it were possible to make a differentiation between the two then why would that opportunity not be taken e.g. Alex and Alexandra? -- The Vintage Feminist ( talk) 02:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
I'd suggest using the ' distinguish' template for hatnotes (rather than ' other people'), given the exceptional potential for confusion between the two articles for MEPs called Alexandra Phillips that exist. Referring to nickname is tricky with little in the way of sources (at least Nicholas Davies started writing under his full name eventually). Contrary to what has been adopted on Wikipedia so far, the Mirror [8] has
Alex Phillips (Brexit)
Alexandra Phillips (Green)
and I see this elsewhere [9]. The Notice of Poll [10] just has 'Alexandra Phillips' and 'Alexandra Lesley Phillips'.
Also IMHO 'cite news' and 'cite web' templates for references would be useful to improve linking and consistent formatting. -- Cedders tk 18:13, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Interesting that an IP-only address tried to remove this reliably sourced information just a few days after it was posted. Shtove 22:48, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
This sentence in the article does not seem to be accurate. The reference given does not mention the word 'enthralled', for example.
"She reported that this experience was an important factor in her later joining the party as she was enthralled by then leader Nigel Farage's personality, and supported the party's positions on the expansion of grammar schools, supporting fracking, and Euroscepticism.[4]"
Varnebank ( talk) 17:38, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/BrexitAlex/status/1194257358156976128?s=20
Do we know her ancestors? Did the female ones "fight for universal suffrage"? Is she of a family with a long history of such involvement, or a new entrant? Midgley ( talk) 21:12, 12 November 2019 (UTC)