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The airport is not listed as João Paulo II anywhere.
The airport's own website calls itself simply Ponta Delgada, and has no mention of João Paulo.
Template:Regions of Portugal: statistical (NUTS3) subregions and intercommunal entities are confused; they are not the same in all regions, and should be sublisted separately in each region: intermunicipal entities are sometimes larger and split by subregions (e.g. the Metropolitan Area of Lisbon has two subregions), some intercommunal entities are containing only parts of subregions. All subregions should be listed explicitly and not assume they are only intermunicipal entities (which accessorily are not statistic subdivisions but real administrative entities, so they should be listed below, probably using a smaller font: we can safely eliminate the subgrouping by type of intermunicipal entity from this box).
The following discussion is an archived discussion of a
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WP:NCDAB, example #1 clearly applies. We should avoid parentheses whenever possible, as it is here, by using a more complete title. --
Hadal (
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05:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment. I agree that the existing titles (of the form "Xx Cattle") do not conform to the naming convention. However, I don't think the proposed replacements ("Xx cattle") do either. Should they not generally be of the form "Xx", with "cattle" in brackets and only where needed for disambiguation? These breeds are normally called "the Ukrainian Grey", "the Mertolenga", "the Preta" etc. Therefore the articles should surely be
Ukrainian Grey,
Mertolenga etc, or where there is another article with that title,
Simmental (cattle) etc. If there are any where the word "cattle" is always used, the proposed form would indeed be more appropriate. For example, it may be that the
Ushuaia wild cattle type (not actually included in the list) is always called that, never just "the Ushuaia". Also, if there are any where the word "Cattle" forms a necessary and consistent part of the breed name, then the "Xx Cattle" form would remain appropriate, as for example happens with the
American Quarter Horse and the
Australian Cattle Dog.
Richard New Forest (
talk)
12:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)reply
You make a very valid point about other species, Richard New Forest, but let's concentrate on the cattle for now. Regarding whether to have the "cattle" in brackets or not, I'd go for whatever standard came first, just to simplify the matter.
The mayor of Yurp (
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16:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)reply
The other species are just examples: it would apply in exactly the same way for cattle, but only where "Cattle" is part of the breed name. Otherwise
WP:NCDAB covers this ground: I'm not really sure if this case is equivalent to the situation described there in para 1 or that in para 2. If 1, "Xx cattle" would be acceptable; if 2, "Xx (cattle)" would be the way to go as above.
Richard New Forest (
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20:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Yes, obviously there is a difference between the people who work with them every day, calling them Jerseys (for example), rather than "Jersey cattle", and the breeders' associations who call them "Jersey Cattle" on their newsletters and websites. What we need here is a decision conforming with the standards of Wikipedia, three other editors agree with my proposal on the cattle issue, but maybe we should seek an opinion from higher up about other species. Mind you, it might end up being a lot of work to deal with.
The mayor of Yurp (
talk)
21:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)reply
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Find correct name
The airport is not listed as João Paulo II anywhere.
The airport's own website calls itself simply Ponta Delgada, and has no mention of João Paulo.
Template:Regions of Portugal: statistical (NUTS3) subregions and intercommunal entities are confused; they are not the same in all regions, and should be sublisted separately in each region: intermunicipal entities are sometimes larger and split by subregions (e.g. the Metropolitan Area of Lisbon has two subregions), some intercommunal entities are containing only parts of subregions. All subregions should be listed explicitly and not assume they are only intermunicipal entities (which accessorily are not statistic subdivisions but real administrative entities, so they should be listed below, probably using a smaller font: we can safely eliminate the subgrouping by type of intermunicipal entity from this box).
The following discussion is an archived discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: All pages moved. As for
WP:NCDAB, example #1 clearly applies. We should avoid parentheses whenever possible, as it is here, by using a more complete title. --
Hadal (
talk)
05:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment. I agree that the existing titles (of the form "Xx Cattle") do not conform to the naming convention. However, I don't think the proposed replacements ("Xx cattle") do either. Should they not generally be of the form "Xx", with "cattle" in brackets and only where needed for disambiguation? These breeds are normally called "the Ukrainian Grey", "the Mertolenga", "the Preta" etc. Therefore the articles should surely be
Ukrainian Grey,
Mertolenga etc, or where there is another article with that title,
Simmental (cattle) etc. If there are any where the word "cattle" is always used, the proposed form would indeed be more appropriate. For example, it may be that the
Ushuaia wild cattle type (not actually included in the list) is always called that, never just "the Ushuaia". Also, if there are any where the word "Cattle" forms a necessary and consistent part of the breed name, then the "Xx Cattle" form would remain appropriate, as for example happens with the
American Quarter Horse and the
Australian Cattle Dog.
Richard New Forest (
talk)
12:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)reply
You make a very valid point about other species, Richard New Forest, but let's concentrate on the cattle for now. Regarding whether to have the "cattle" in brackets or not, I'd go for whatever standard came first, just to simplify the matter.
The mayor of Yurp (
talk)
16:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)reply
The other species are just examples: it would apply in exactly the same way for cattle, but only where "Cattle" is part of the breed name. Otherwise
WP:NCDAB covers this ground: I'm not really sure if this case is equivalent to the situation described there in para 1 or that in para 2. If 1, "Xx cattle" would be acceptable; if 2, "Xx (cattle)" would be the way to go as above.
Richard New Forest (
talk)
20:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)reply
Yes, obviously there is a difference between the people who work with them every day, calling them Jerseys (for example), rather than "Jersey cattle", and the breeders' associations who call them "Jersey Cattle" on their newsletters and websites. What we need here is a decision conforming with the standards of Wikipedia, three other editors agree with my proposal on the cattle issue, but maybe we should seek an opinion from higher up about other species. Mind you, it might end up being a lot of work to deal with.
The mayor of Yurp (
talk)
21:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.