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The marker for Aldergrove is currently located at N49 14.54, W121 45.48 . This is near Agassiz. I would suggest N49 3.25, W122 28.33. -- Russdirks ( talk) 01:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
This discussion should probably take place at WP:CANTALK or at CANGEOG or WPBC maybe, as there are other cases likes this. I'm from the Valley, Aldergrove is most decidedly a town; your assertion that wikipedia defines anything inside a municipality is a "neighbourhood" is questionable, and if that's the case that guideline needs an overhaul and some fact-checking on the ground. Within the Township of Langley, there's clearly also the town of Fort Langley.....areas like Willowbrook are "neighbourhoods", Aldergrove and Fort Langley are clearly "towns". Within Abbotsford there are also towns - Matsqui, Clayburn, Kinnaird though other areas like Clearbrook were (until they became strip malls) considered rural areas. Huntingdon has pretty much vanished as it was. Chilliwack contains the identifiable towns of Yarrow and Sardis and Cultus Lake and Greendale - no reliable source would refer to any of these as "neighbourhood"; Rosedale maybe though like Clearbrook it was always a rural community mostly. In the case of Agassiz, it's decidedly a town within the District of Kent and Haney, British Columbia is clearly a town within Maple Ridge. Similarly within Surrey there's Cloverdale, which is a lot more than a neighbourhood, and likewise Ladner and Tsawwassen within Delta. "levelling" regular English into Wiki-English sets questionable precedents for the language .... and will influence local idiom usage, rather than obey it. Relegating a town into a neighbourhood because it's inside a municipality makes no sense whatsoever, if the place is always spoken of as a town.....the word "town" outside of municipalities is also highly necessary; we would not refer to Yale or Boston Bar or Spences Bridges as "neighbourhoods" of the Fraser Canyon..... Skookum1 ( talk) 02:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
If Aldergrove is not incorporated as a "town" or designated by some other official means as a town, then this article should not refer to it as one, even in the colloquial sense of "town" being another word for "community" instead of an municipal status. Why? Because it can therefore be interpreted as being an incorporated "town" when it is not. Bottom line, it looks like Aldergrove and the others within the ToL should be referred to as "communities" per the designation applied by the ToL. Hwy43 ( talk) 07:51, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
This edit blew my mind for its arrogance "you can't call ever place a "town", only if incorporated, let's stay technical)".. . you're the one who is enforcing a technicality that has no bearing on content; WP:MOSFOLLOW applies here, your opinion as to how "town" here should be used DOESN'T. Small-case t-town is a word in the English language that has multiple meanings; in British Columbia it happened to have been used for a Municipal Act designation like capital-V Village, capital-C Corporation and Capital-D District but it still has its regular meaning....what I'm hearing is ridiculous. TBrandley, you live in BC, your userpage says, but you're from the UK....have you ever driven out to Aldergrove? Ever met anyone from there? Hell, you claim RS can't be found for the "town of Aldergrove" or "Aldergrove is a town in Langley near the Abby border", then you must not be reading any local media.......btw in Alaska, even a place with 50 people in it is called a city....Alaska has no towns.....but describing Saxman or Hyder as a City is a technicality only a rules-obsessed Wikipedian could delight in enforcing. Tweaking words and harmonizing articles with rule-sets....does anyone actually write any articles any more? Skookum1 ( talk) 17:05, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
To briefly nibble on Glen Valley since you brought it up, it is also a community according to GeoBC and a " rural community" according to the province.
Since you only changed it to "town-like" because you were tired, I'd prefer it being removed per the concern expressed above regarding 3RR and a desire for BRD until this discussion closes. We may be able to arrive at a much more appropriate alternative through this discussion while not making the opening sentence look silly in the meantime. Hwy43 ( talk) 05:03, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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The marker for Aldergrove is currently located at N49 14.54, W121 45.48 . This is near Agassiz. I would suggest N49 3.25, W122 28.33. -- Russdirks ( talk) 01:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
This discussion should probably take place at WP:CANTALK or at CANGEOG or WPBC maybe, as there are other cases likes this. I'm from the Valley, Aldergrove is most decidedly a town; your assertion that wikipedia defines anything inside a municipality is a "neighbourhood" is questionable, and if that's the case that guideline needs an overhaul and some fact-checking on the ground. Within the Township of Langley, there's clearly also the town of Fort Langley.....areas like Willowbrook are "neighbourhoods", Aldergrove and Fort Langley are clearly "towns". Within Abbotsford there are also towns - Matsqui, Clayburn, Kinnaird though other areas like Clearbrook were (until they became strip malls) considered rural areas. Huntingdon has pretty much vanished as it was. Chilliwack contains the identifiable towns of Yarrow and Sardis and Cultus Lake and Greendale - no reliable source would refer to any of these as "neighbourhood"; Rosedale maybe though like Clearbrook it was always a rural community mostly. In the case of Agassiz, it's decidedly a town within the District of Kent and Haney, British Columbia is clearly a town within Maple Ridge. Similarly within Surrey there's Cloverdale, which is a lot more than a neighbourhood, and likewise Ladner and Tsawwassen within Delta. "levelling" regular English into Wiki-English sets questionable precedents for the language .... and will influence local idiom usage, rather than obey it. Relegating a town into a neighbourhood because it's inside a municipality makes no sense whatsoever, if the place is always spoken of as a town.....the word "town" outside of municipalities is also highly necessary; we would not refer to Yale or Boston Bar or Spences Bridges as "neighbourhoods" of the Fraser Canyon..... Skookum1 ( talk) 02:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
If Aldergrove is not incorporated as a "town" or designated by some other official means as a town, then this article should not refer to it as one, even in the colloquial sense of "town" being another word for "community" instead of an municipal status. Why? Because it can therefore be interpreted as being an incorporated "town" when it is not. Bottom line, it looks like Aldergrove and the others within the ToL should be referred to as "communities" per the designation applied by the ToL. Hwy43 ( talk) 07:51, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
This edit blew my mind for its arrogance "you can't call ever place a "town", only if incorporated, let's stay technical)".. . you're the one who is enforcing a technicality that has no bearing on content; WP:MOSFOLLOW applies here, your opinion as to how "town" here should be used DOESN'T. Small-case t-town is a word in the English language that has multiple meanings; in British Columbia it happened to have been used for a Municipal Act designation like capital-V Village, capital-C Corporation and Capital-D District but it still has its regular meaning....what I'm hearing is ridiculous. TBrandley, you live in BC, your userpage says, but you're from the UK....have you ever driven out to Aldergrove? Ever met anyone from there? Hell, you claim RS can't be found for the "town of Aldergrove" or "Aldergrove is a town in Langley near the Abby border", then you must not be reading any local media.......btw in Alaska, even a place with 50 people in it is called a city....Alaska has no towns.....but describing Saxman or Hyder as a City is a technicality only a rules-obsessed Wikipedian could delight in enforcing. Tweaking words and harmonizing articles with rule-sets....does anyone actually write any articles any more? Skookum1 ( talk) 17:05, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
To briefly nibble on Glen Valley since you brought it up, it is also a community according to GeoBC and a " rural community" according to the province.
Since you only changed it to "town-like" because you were tired, I'd prefer it being removed per the concern expressed above regarding 3RR and a desire for BRD until this discussion closes. We may be able to arrive at a much more appropriate alternative through this discussion while not making the opening sentence look silly in the meantime. Hwy43 ( talk) 05:03, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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