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Assalamu alaykum wa rahmattulahi wa barakatuh @ Goddard2000. I was wondering if this figure is really historical? Could you prove it please? Also, it seems that in Ingush folklore he's actually mentioned, although as an ethnic Ingush, therefore I think we could add this information in the article. [1] [2]
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У одного ингуша, по имени Олдана был сын Гази, которого еще мальчиком отец просватал за кабардинскую княжну.
У вайнахов существует традиция сложения героических песен — «илли», посвященных тем или иным славным людям их прошлого. Из ингушей таковыми были Умара Али, Олдама Гяза, Лаьчий Алха, Мяхте Идрис, Чега, Горовожа Сулумбек и др.
WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 14:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
"After the expulsion of Kalmyks, Gheza started to fortify and strengthen strategic defenses of Chechnya and Ingushetia. He managed to oust the Kabardin princes from Ingushetia and set up fortifications all across the northern border such as in Ghezi-Kov (Gazi-yurt, Ingushetia), Ghezi-Yurt (Chernokozovo), Ghapke fortress (Mekenskaya). He also reinforced Dolakov (Psedakh) with warriors from East Chechnya. After the Chechens ousted the Kabardin princes, Gheza and the Karachay-Balkar became allies and as a sign of it sent several warriors to their lands. These warriors came to be the "Bilitli" (from clan Biltoy) and they became powerful lords and sometimes acted as co-rulers of Karachay."
WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 18:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)"Some authors mention him as Chechen based on the folklore recorded in Chechnya (here you add your sources), others mention him as Ingush based on the folklore recorded in Ingushetia respectively (I add my sources). In historical documents he's mentioned as an feudal lord living in Cheberloy, of Aldamovich lineage (Aitberov as the source here)".
? In this wording it's mentioned that in Ingush folklore he's Ingush. What do you say? WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 19:05, 1 July 2023 (UTC)"Some authors mention him as Chechen based on the folklore recorded in Chechnya (here you add your sources), others mention him as Ingush based on the folklore recorded in Ingushetia respectively (I add my sources). In historical documents he's mentioned as an feudal lord living in Cheberloy, of Aldamovich lineage (Aitberov as the source here)"
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmattulahi wa barakatuh @ Goddard2000. The article contains folkloric battles, like Chechens defeating Kabardians in Ingushetia as well as claims that villages like Gazi-Yurt were build by Oaldama Ghäza. I suggest removing these serious claims because they're not supported by reliable and neutral sources. Incase you don't know what paragraph I'm talking about, it's this:
After the expulsion of the Kalmyks, Gheza started to fortify and strengthen strategic defenses of Chechnya and Ingushetia. He managed to oust the Kabardian princes from Ingushetia and set up fortifications all across the northern border such as in Ghezi-Kov (Gazi-yurt, Ingushetia), Ghezi-Yurt (Chernokozovo), Ghapke fortress (Mekenskaya). He also reinforced Dolakov (Psedakh) with warriors from East Chechnya. After the Chechens ousted the Kabardian princes, Gheza and the Karachay-Balkar became allies and as a sign of it sent several warriors to their lands. These warriors came to be the "Bilitli" (from clan Biltoy) and they became powerful lords and sometimes acted as co-rulers of Karachay.[3]
The campaign to the west was successful [...]
Seriously, Biltoy co-rulers of Karachay?? WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 10:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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Assalamu alaykum wa rahmattulahi wa barakatuh @ Goddard2000. I was wondering if this figure is really historical? Could you prove it please? Also, it seems that in Ingush folklore he's actually mentioned, although as an ethnic Ingush, therefore I think we could add this information in the article. [1] [2]
References
У одного ингуша, по имени Олдана был сын Гази, которого еще мальчиком отец просватал за кабардинскую княжну.
У вайнахов существует традиция сложения героических песен — «илли», посвященных тем или иным славным людям их прошлого. Из ингушей таковыми были Умара Али, Олдама Гяза, Лаьчий Алха, Мяхте Идрис, Чега, Горовожа Сулумбек и др.
WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 14:15, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
"After the expulsion of Kalmyks, Gheza started to fortify and strengthen strategic defenses of Chechnya and Ingushetia. He managed to oust the Kabardin princes from Ingushetia and set up fortifications all across the northern border such as in Ghezi-Kov (Gazi-yurt, Ingushetia), Ghezi-Yurt (Chernokozovo), Ghapke fortress (Mekenskaya). He also reinforced Dolakov (Psedakh) with warriors from East Chechnya. After the Chechens ousted the Kabardin princes, Gheza and the Karachay-Balkar became allies and as a sign of it sent several warriors to their lands. These warriors came to be the "Bilitli" (from clan Biltoy) and they became powerful lords and sometimes acted as co-rulers of Karachay."
WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 18:13, 1 July 2023 (UTC)"Some authors mention him as Chechen based on the folklore recorded in Chechnya (here you add your sources), others mention him as Ingush based on the folklore recorded in Ingushetia respectively (I add my sources). In historical documents he's mentioned as an feudal lord living in Cheberloy, of Aldamovich lineage (Aitberov as the source here)".
? In this wording it's mentioned that in Ingush folklore he's Ingush. What do you say? WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 19:05, 1 July 2023 (UTC)"Some authors mention him as Chechen based on the folklore recorded in Chechnya (here you add your sources), others mention him as Ingush based on the folklore recorded in Ingushetia respectively (I add my sources). In historical documents he's mentioned as an feudal lord living in Cheberloy, of Aldamovich lineage (Aitberov as the source here)"
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmattulahi wa barakatuh @ Goddard2000. The article contains folkloric battles, like Chechens defeating Kabardians in Ingushetia as well as claims that villages like Gazi-Yurt were build by Oaldama Ghäza. I suggest removing these serious claims because they're not supported by reliable and neutral sources. Incase you don't know what paragraph I'm talking about, it's this:
After the expulsion of the Kalmyks, Gheza started to fortify and strengthen strategic defenses of Chechnya and Ingushetia. He managed to oust the Kabardian princes from Ingushetia and set up fortifications all across the northern border such as in Ghezi-Kov (Gazi-yurt, Ingushetia), Ghezi-Yurt (Chernokozovo), Ghapke fortress (Mekenskaya). He also reinforced Dolakov (Psedakh) with warriors from East Chechnya. After the Chechens ousted the Kabardian princes, Gheza and the Karachay-Balkar became allies and as a sign of it sent several warriors to their lands. These warriors came to be the "Bilitli" (from clan Biltoy) and they became powerful lords and sometimes acted as co-rulers of Karachay.[3]
The campaign to the west was successful [...]
Seriously, Biltoy co-rulers of Karachay?? WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 10:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)