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One User insists on listing Alan Shatter's religion in the Info. Box. This is not done for other TDs and so is inconsistent. In my view it is also somehow offensive to single out one TD and add his religion to an info. box. His religion and background can be dealt with (and is) adequately in the article. Its as simple as that. Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 12:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Both of you make good points. We ought always to assume good faith, and here I think it's safe to say that the religion is being added for information rather than an ulterior purpose. If it is a rule for one politician, then it should be a rule for all. The infoboxes of Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Golda Meir, etc., etc., include their respective religions. I think it would be appropriate to include it in Shatter's infobox, with the expectation that all politicians would have their religion (if documented) listed. GeneralBelly ( talk) 00:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I have removed Orthodox Judaism from the sidebar and replaced it with "Judaism." Unless somebody has a source for the contrary, I think it is fine the way it is. Furthermore, the same is done in entries on Jewish MPs over in the UK and I think we should follow the same here. Olockers ( talk) 08:31, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
As Alan Shatter has been described by some commentators as the Barbara Lerner Spectre of Ireland, one could argue that the religion/race reference to Judaism should be removed. Otherwise, people may get the impression that Alan Shatter has ulterior motives for advocating mass immigration from Africa, and that those motives are derived from Jewish Talmudic teachings. It's really not polite to point out patterns. 192.40.24.4 ( talk) 15:33, 8 March 2016 (UTC)Shandafirde
shatter clearly is pro israel and generally supportive of the idea of a Jewish State, including their ongoing colonization and appropriation of Palestinian land. He clearly believes in a state to which only Jews may immigrate, where they have a special status, and has apparently not been troubled by Israel's behaviour.
However, for Ireland he increased immigration and spoke of a 'transnational Ireland' notwithstanding Ireland's long struggle for independence.
Wikipedia is well patrolled by pro Israel editors, who cry 'antisemite' quite easily, and some entries (jewish bolshevism) are absolute fictions.
But Shatter, like Barbara Specter, at a minimum has one standard for Israel and another for Ireland and Europe. He is likely primarily loyal to Israel and his fellow Jew. He has acted against the interests of the ethnic Irish and I have not found any evidence that he criticized the wealthy Jews of Britain for not helping the Irish people during the famine.
The fact of the matter is his dual loyalty and devotion to a Jewish ethnic state versus his view of the right of the Irish TO THEIR OWN HOMELAND is intimately related to his Jewish identity whether or not it has to do with Talmudic eschatology.
It deserves an entry and those editors who perpetually censor anything that might make Israel or 'transnational Jewry' look like other than purely positive should have to explain why Shatters Jewishness was not relevant to his open borders approach to Eire (but never Israel).
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=66782
http://en.meta -- pedia.org/wiki/Alan_Shatter
http://balder.org/judea/Hate-Speech-Laws-Immigration-Jewish-Influence-Ireland.php
There are Barbara Lerner Specters in Ireland, the UK, Sweden, Norway - basically everywhere, and the notion that their liberal immigration approach to everywhere but Israel is not connected to Jewish identity, indeed perhaps Supremacism, is absurd. — Preceding
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One User insists on listing Alan Shatter's religion in the Info. Box. This is not done for other TDs and so is inconsistent. In my view it is also somehow offensive to single out one TD and add his religion to an info. box. His religion and background can be dealt with (and is) adequately in the article. Its as simple as that. Regards. Redking7 ( talk) 12:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Both of you make good points. We ought always to assume good faith, and here I think it's safe to say that the religion is being added for information rather than an ulterior purpose. If it is a rule for one politician, then it should be a rule for all. The infoboxes of Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Golda Meir, etc., etc., include their respective religions. I think it would be appropriate to include it in Shatter's infobox, with the expectation that all politicians would have their religion (if documented) listed. GeneralBelly ( talk) 00:37, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I have removed Orthodox Judaism from the sidebar and replaced it with "Judaism." Unless somebody has a source for the contrary, I think it is fine the way it is. Furthermore, the same is done in entries on Jewish MPs over in the UK and I think we should follow the same here. Olockers ( talk) 08:31, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
As Alan Shatter has been described by some commentators as the Barbara Lerner Spectre of Ireland, one could argue that the religion/race reference to Judaism should be removed. Otherwise, people may get the impression that Alan Shatter has ulterior motives for advocating mass immigration from Africa, and that those motives are derived from Jewish Talmudic teachings. It's really not polite to point out patterns. 192.40.24.4 ( talk) 15:33, 8 March 2016 (UTC)Shandafirde
shatter clearly is pro israel and generally supportive of the idea of a Jewish State, including their ongoing colonization and appropriation of Palestinian land. He clearly believes in a state to which only Jews may immigrate, where they have a special status, and has apparently not been troubled by Israel's behaviour.
However, for Ireland he increased immigration and spoke of a 'transnational Ireland' notwithstanding Ireland's long struggle for independence.
Wikipedia is well patrolled by pro Israel editors, who cry 'antisemite' quite easily, and some entries (jewish bolshevism) are absolute fictions.
But Shatter, like Barbara Specter, at a minimum has one standard for Israel and another for Ireland and Europe. He is likely primarily loyal to Israel and his fellow Jew. He has acted against the interests of the ethnic Irish and I have not found any evidence that he criticized the wealthy Jews of Britain for not helping the Irish people during the famine.
The fact of the matter is his dual loyalty and devotion to a Jewish ethnic state versus his view of the right of the Irish TO THEIR OWN HOMELAND is intimately related to his Jewish identity whether or not it has to do with Talmudic eschatology.
It deserves an entry and those editors who perpetually censor anything that might make Israel or 'transnational Jewry' look like other than purely positive should have to explain why Shatters Jewishness was not relevant to his open borders approach to Eire (but never Israel).
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=66782
http://en.meta -- pedia.org/wiki/Alan_Shatter
http://balder.org/judea/Hate-Speech-Laws-Immigration-Jewish-Influence-Ireland.php
There are Barbara Lerner Specters in Ireland, the UK, Sweden, Norway - basically everywhere, and the notion that their liberal immigration approach to everywhere but Israel is not connected to Jewish identity, indeed perhaps Supremacism, is absurd. — Preceding
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