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A citation is needed for the date of Alamo's conviction. The reference given by previous editors was published in 1998, and thus couldn't be a source for the fact (?) that he was convicted in 2009. It's possible that I will fix this myself, but I wanted to leave a record of it here in case someone can around to it before me. Alf.laylah.wa.laylah ( talk) 01:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the reference to "cult" in the first line because the word has no definite meaning, merely a general purpose insult for any small church. Jewels Vern ( talk) 12:46, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Why are certain external links being deleted because they are considered "not within the Wikipedia guidelines"? I refer to the following links:
http://www.factnet.org/factnetcgi/discus/discus.cgi Former members discuss the abuse at the hands of Alamo,
http://www.tonyalamochurch.com/ A website that details biography and legal history of Alamo Ministries,
http://www.armfulofhelp.org/index.htm A website that exposes Alamo Ministries bogus charity organization used to fund his radical propaganda. It also details eyewitness accounts of abuse in the cult group,
http://tapolygamy.blogspot.com/ A blog that posted Tony Alamo's tract entitled "The Polygamists" written by Alamo while in prison,
http://tainformation.blogspot.com/ Another blog that posted an informative tract, found on a car windshield, written by Former Members, Concerned Citizens and Children Born and Raised in the Alamo cult that details what the "World Pastor" has been up to (behind the compound doors) for all of these many years.
The Polygamists tract is word-for-word from a tract Tony Alamo wrote. The factnet discussion board is a place where actual members and former members of this cult group post detailed accounts of what happened in the group. How can the other websites that use eyewitness testimony to back up their accounts of abuse not be considered? People have come forward to testify about what this "World Pastor" has done to them and it is not being considered valid? How is this possible?
Does anyone else want these sites posted to the external links?
Does anyone object? — Preceding
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InSearchOfTheTruth (
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This Rolling Stone piece from 1972 (cited in the article) states that Alamo was using that name by the early 1960s - certainly by 1964 when he led the publicity campaign for Bobby Jameson - and describes him at that time as "a hotshot former singer". Do we have any more information on this, for inclusion in the article? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 08:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
You will never find any proof that it is the same Tony Alamo as the Tony Alamo with Danny Kaye. That is because it isn't the same Tony Alamo. And as far as merging pages, I think both the Tony Alamo AND Susan Alamo pages should be merged with this one. Right now there are 3 pages about this cult. TeeRich ( talk) 00:52, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
"This church aligns with Scientology as a type of cult"-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 13:26, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
There is nothing in reference 1 that states that Tony Alamo is a diagnosed psychopath. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.70.15 ( talk) 01:26, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
There should be a separate article for Tony Alamo. He's a mildly famous person, and yet I am unable to find basic information about him (birthdate, birth location, death date, death location, etc.) on Wikipedia. In fact, I can't even determine from Wikipedia whether he is dead or alive!
Was there a previous RfD about this matter, or has he never had his own article? The direct link's history [1] seems to indicate that he never had his own article.
I know that there are some people who don't get their own pages: for example, Orville Wright and Wilbur Wright are combined on the Wright brothers page. But in that case, basic biographical information about both brothers is available on the page. — Lawrence King ( talk) 07:20, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
The article currently states that Alamo's name is pronounced "a-LAHM-o". Is the h pronounced? 173.66.5.216 ( talk) 03:27, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
To discuss the merge proposal, please comment at Talk:Susan Alamo#Merging into Alamo Christian Foundation (second request), since that keeps the discussion on the same page as the previous discussion. — Lawrence King ( talk) 21:24, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
The first paragraph of this article mentions only that Alamo was jailed in 2009 “after years of legal troubles”
Given that this currently serves as his bio page, and he was convicted to a maximum of 175 years in prison for the rape of ten underage girls this seems like a massive understatement, the nature of the ‘legal troubles’ are only mentioned in a single paragraph down at the bottom.
I’m not trying to stir the pot, but realistically it is probably the most notable thing about both Alamo and the ministries. Seelenamt ( talk) 21:59, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
I have completed the merge of this page with Susan Alamo. All the information from the former Susan Alamo page has been merged to Alamo Christian Foundation. The context of the former Talk:Susan Alamo page is copied here. — Lawrence King ( talk) 06:11, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
In my opinion, if Tony Alamo isn't notable enough to have his own article (it redirects to the aforementioned article), neither is Susan. There isn't much content, so might as well merge it, in my opinion. -- Therealelizacat ( talk) 06:29, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
User:Ilovetopaint has relisted this for merge. I argued against the merge last time, but at this point -- given the group's decreased notability after the death of both founders -- I would find a merge acceptable, if it was done right. My preference would be that the first subsection of the article would be Founders, with a subsection for Tony and a subsection for Susan. This would contain everything about them prior to the founding of the church (which is quite brief). The rest of their bios would be integrated into the History section which would follow. Thoughts? — Lawrence King ( talk) 21:18, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
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A citation is needed for the date of Alamo's conviction. The reference given by previous editors was published in 1998, and thus couldn't be a source for the fact (?) that he was convicted in 2009. It's possible that I will fix this myself, but I wanted to leave a record of it here in case someone can around to it before me. Alf.laylah.wa.laylah ( talk) 01:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the reference to "cult" in the first line because the word has no definite meaning, merely a general purpose insult for any small church. Jewels Vern ( talk) 12:46, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Why are certain external links being deleted because they are considered "not within the Wikipedia guidelines"? I refer to the following links:
http://www.factnet.org/factnetcgi/discus/discus.cgi Former members discuss the abuse at the hands of Alamo,
http://www.tonyalamochurch.com/ A website that details biography and legal history of Alamo Ministries,
http://www.armfulofhelp.org/index.htm A website that exposes Alamo Ministries bogus charity organization used to fund his radical propaganda. It also details eyewitness accounts of abuse in the cult group,
http://tapolygamy.blogspot.com/ A blog that posted Tony Alamo's tract entitled "The Polygamists" written by Alamo while in prison,
http://tainformation.blogspot.com/ Another blog that posted an informative tract, found on a car windshield, written by Former Members, Concerned Citizens and Children Born and Raised in the Alamo cult that details what the "World Pastor" has been up to (behind the compound doors) for all of these many years.
The Polygamists tract is word-for-word from a tract Tony Alamo wrote. The factnet discussion board is a place where actual members and former members of this cult group post detailed accounts of what happened in the group. How can the other websites that use eyewitness testimony to back up their accounts of abuse not be considered? People have come forward to testify about what this "World Pastor" has done to them and it is not being considered valid? How is this possible?
Does anyone else want these sites posted to the external links?
Does anyone object? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
InSearchOfTheTruth (
talk •
contribs) 16:54, January 16, 2007
This Rolling Stone piece from 1972 (cited in the article) states that Alamo was using that name by the early 1960s - certainly by 1964 when he led the publicity campaign for Bobby Jameson - and describes him at that time as "a hotshot former singer". Do we have any more information on this, for inclusion in the article? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 08:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
You will never find any proof that it is the same Tony Alamo as the Tony Alamo with Danny Kaye. That is because it isn't the same Tony Alamo. And as far as merging pages, I think both the Tony Alamo AND Susan Alamo pages should be merged with this one. Right now there are 3 pages about this cult. TeeRich ( talk) 00:52, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
"This church aligns with Scientology as a type of cult"-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 13:26, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
There is nothing in reference 1 that states that Tony Alamo is a diagnosed psychopath. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.70.15 ( talk) 01:26, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
There should be a separate article for Tony Alamo. He's a mildly famous person, and yet I am unable to find basic information about him (birthdate, birth location, death date, death location, etc.) on Wikipedia. In fact, I can't even determine from Wikipedia whether he is dead or alive!
Was there a previous RfD about this matter, or has he never had his own article? The direct link's history [1] seems to indicate that he never had his own article.
I know that there are some people who don't get their own pages: for example, Orville Wright and Wilbur Wright are combined on the Wright brothers page. But in that case, basic biographical information about both brothers is available on the page. — Lawrence King ( talk) 07:20, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
The article currently states that Alamo's name is pronounced "a-LAHM-o". Is the h pronounced? 173.66.5.216 ( talk) 03:27, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
To discuss the merge proposal, please comment at Talk:Susan Alamo#Merging into Alamo Christian Foundation (second request), since that keeps the discussion on the same page as the previous discussion. — Lawrence King ( talk) 21:24, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
The first paragraph of this article mentions only that Alamo was jailed in 2009 “after years of legal troubles”
Given that this currently serves as his bio page, and he was convicted to a maximum of 175 years in prison for the rape of ten underage girls this seems like a massive understatement, the nature of the ‘legal troubles’ are only mentioned in a single paragraph down at the bottom.
I’m not trying to stir the pot, but realistically it is probably the most notable thing about both Alamo and the ministries. Seelenamt ( talk) 21:59, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
I have completed the merge of this page with Susan Alamo. All the information from the former Susan Alamo page has been merged to Alamo Christian Foundation. The context of the former Talk:Susan Alamo page is copied here. — Lawrence King ( talk) 06:11, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
In my opinion, if Tony Alamo isn't notable enough to have his own article (it redirects to the aforementioned article), neither is Susan. There isn't much content, so might as well merge it, in my opinion. -- Therealelizacat ( talk) 06:29, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
User:Ilovetopaint has relisted this for merge. I argued against the merge last time, but at this point -- given the group's decreased notability after the death of both founders -- I would find a merge acceptable, if it was done right. My preference would be that the first subsection of the article would be Founders, with a subsection for Tony and a subsection for Susan. This would contain everything about them prior to the founding of the church (which is quite brief). The rest of their bios would be integrated into the History section which would follow. Thoughts? — Lawrence King ( talk) 21:18, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
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