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I've added material from at Tabari volume 23. One thing I changed was the previous statement that al Hajjaj had appointed all conquering generals. From at Tabari I specified that Musa ibn Nusayr and his retainer (mawla) Tariq ibn Ziyad conquered al-Andalus. Al-Hajjaj was in command in the east and I saw no reference to him in this volume of at Tabari appointing people in Ifriqiyah and al-Andalus. I also replaced Iberia with the Arabic al-Andalus. Gallador 18:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Added Arabic script, removed {{ Arabic}} from the talk page. skoosh (háblame) 22:29, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
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Arminden: You've inserted a dubious tag after Al-Walid's Arabic name in the lead, saying "Why is another Arabic-written name indicated in the Infobox? Either-or, but decide (or explain variations).
" The Arabic name in the infobox and in the lead look identical to me. Maybe it's the typeface difference that is confusing you? -
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@ HyperGaruda: Easiest check: 1) number of words: Infobox has 3, lead has 4; 2) copy-and-paste name into search engine of the page: proves they're not identical. 3) Next step: do the same one word at a time - only one out of three does overlap!
Now go to a transliteration engine. I'm using http://www.stevemorse.org/arabic/ara2eng.html. Infobox name reads "LWLD BN BDLMLK", so al-Walid ibn Abdulmalik; lead name "LWLYD BN BD LMLK" al-Walid ibn Abd-ul-Malik or alike. Almost the same, but not quite. So back to my note, please unify or offer some explanation, like: in India they like the -ul- style, but that shouldn't apply to purely Arabic names. Anyhow, one encyclopedia, one article - two ways of writing the article's name? Arminden ( talk) 00:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)Arminden Arminden ( talk) 00:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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I edited the article's short description (SD) from Sixth Umayyad caliph (r. 705–715) to a more helpful Arabian prince and the sixth leader of the Umayyad caliphate (r. 705–715), but Apaugasma reverted this stating that "short descriptions should be under 40 characters wherever possible" and referencing WP:SD40. WP:BRD requires me to discuss here before processing further. The SD40 guidance does not require SDs to be under 40 characters but does state that 80% are, and that SDs should "avoid jargon, and use simple, readily comprehensible terms that do not require pre-existing detailed knowledge of the subject", and "be short – no longer than is needed to fulfill [their] functions effectively". I do not believe the original SD fulfilled these requirements, hence my edit; in particular, I don't believe that "caliph" is a common term in everyday English (I had to read its article to find out what it means) and because of that it is unclear what Ummayad is. I propose a shorter version (52 characters rather than my original 75) to hopefully satisfy the requirement for brevity whilst being more useful as an SD: Sixth leader of the Umayyad caliphate (r. 705–715). I'm open to suggestions for rephrasing whilst keeping the SD requirements of using "simple, readily comprehensible terms". Bazza ( talk) 18:57, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Sixth Umayyad caliph (r. 705–715)enough for the reader to quickly realize, even if they don't know the word 'caliph' or 'Umayyad', that this is not what they're looking for? Your second suggestion is already better, but still a bit long for this purpose. If you don't agree, hopefully we'll get some input from other editors. ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 19:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Would it be possible to switch to a transparent background for the coin image in the infobox? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 16:03, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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I've added material from at Tabari volume 23. One thing I changed was the previous statement that al Hajjaj had appointed all conquering generals. From at Tabari I specified that Musa ibn Nusayr and his retainer (mawla) Tariq ibn Ziyad conquered al-Andalus. Al-Hajjaj was in command in the east and I saw no reference to him in this volume of at Tabari appointing people in Ifriqiyah and al-Andalus. I also replaced Iberia with the Arabic al-Andalus. Gallador 18:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Added Arabic script, removed {{ Arabic}} from the talk page. skoosh (háblame) 22:29, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
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Arminden: You've inserted a dubious tag after Al-Walid's Arabic name in the lead, saying "Why is another Arabic-written name indicated in the Infobox? Either-or, but decide (or explain variations).
" The Arabic name in the infobox and in the lead look identical to me. Maybe it's the typeface difference that is confusing you? -
HyperGaruda (
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21:57, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
@ HyperGaruda: Easiest check: 1) number of words: Infobox has 3, lead has 4; 2) copy-and-paste name into search engine of the page: proves they're not identical. 3) Next step: do the same one word at a time - only one out of three does overlap!
Now go to a transliteration engine. I'm using http://www.stevemorse.org/arabic/ara2eng.html. Infobox name reads "LWLD BN BDLMLK", so al-Walid ibn Abdulmalik; lead name "LWLYD BN BD LMLK" al-Walid ibn Abd-ul-Malik or alike. Almost the same, but not quite. So back to my note, please unify or offer some explanation, like: in India they like the -ul- style, but that shouldn't apply to purely Arabic names. Anyhow, one encyclopedia, one article - two ways of writing the article's name? Arminden ( talk) 00:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)Arminden Arminden ( talk) 00:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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I edited the article's short description (SD) from Sixth Umayyad caliph (r. 705–715) to a more helpful Arabian prince and the sixth leader of the Umayyad caliphate (r. 705–715), but Apaugasma reverted this stating that "short descriptions should be under 40 characters wherever possible" and referencing WP:SD40. WP:BRD requires me to discuss here before processing further. The SD40 guidance does not require SDs to be under 40 characters but does state that 80% are, and that SDs should "avoid jargon, and use simple, readily comprehensible terms that do not require pre-existing detailed knowledge of the subject", and "be short – no longer than is needed to fulfill [their] functions effectively". I do not believe the original SD fulfilled these requirements, hence my edit; in particular, I don't believe that "caliph" is a common term in everyday English (I had to read its article to find out what it means) and because of that it is unclear what Ummayad is. I propose a shorter version (52 characters rather than my original 75) to hopefully satisfy the requirement for brevity whilst being more useful as an SD: Sixth leader of the Umayyad caliphate (r. 705–715). I'm open to suggestions for rephrasing whilst keeping the SD requirements of using "simple, readily comprehensible terms". Bazza ( talk) 18:57, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Sixth Umayyad caliph (r. 705–715)enough for the reader to quickly realize, even if they don't know the word 'caliph' or 'Umayyad', that this is not what they're looking for? Your second suggestion is already better, but still a bit long for this purpose. If you don't agree, hopefully we'll get some input from other editors. ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 19:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Would it be possible to switch to a transparent background for the coin image in the infobox? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 16:03, 19 July 2023 (UTC)