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I've deleted the "Currnet roster" section in accordance with WP:NOT. Point #7 under "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" most closely describes what I believe to be the function of the roster in this article. Furthermore, I am aware that there has been some discussion about this issue on this user talk page and I would like to see further discussion on this talk page before any editors attempt to add the roster back. -- backburner001 14:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
What's wrong with current rosters? As long as its kept up-to-date, which it has been, I think it should be allowed. What's the difference between updating roster and people updating things like team standings and stats everyday? Andouble, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I realize that certain users are probably not intentionally trying to piss me (and others) off by repeatedly removing the current roster so I will kindly assume good faith.
I do not however appreciate being a subject of “don’t do this or else” dialogue (i.e. Do not add the current roster back to the page or it will be considered vandalism: see “further addition of content without talk page discussion will be considered vandalism”). On that basis, shouldn’t your constant removing of critical information (the roster) be considered vandalism?
I really don’t plan to go back and forth on this, but since backburner wants a discussion about it (see “ I removed it again. Until the editors who keep adding it back actually talk to us, the roster goes. It's as simple as that.” -- backburner001 13:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)), well...
The article is called “Akron Aeros” so it really makes sense that the real-life present day Akron Aeros are on the page (i.e. the player roster). The current players represent who the Aeros are better than anyone else. The article is already extremely weak as it is! Most (maybe all) of the info is either copied or slightly re-worded from one/two source(s) (Aeros team website or Eastern League website). Removing the team personal only limits the article even more! Why do we want that? Instead, lets make this page top-notch!
Yes, keeping the roster would require an update possibly every other day (this is really the only compelling argument), but it has been proven that during the course of the 2006 season, there have been several users eager and willing to accurately update the page using a variety of sources (problem solved!). In other words and more to that point, if one roster contributor were to get hit by a bus, there will be other contributors to fill the void. (FYI, At some points throughout the season already, the Aeros official website fell days/a week behind wikipedia in terms of updating the roster.) I don’t know if there is such a thing as a “Frequently Updated Page” tag that could put near the top of the page, but maybe that’s an option.
Finally, sure most of the players are not notable, that is why they are not linked to respective articles. However, they do represent the Aeros more than anyone or anything else and need to stay on the page in the roster format. 152.163.100.199 23:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Points well taken. I failed to mention, but my basic thinking is that this article (and all minor league baseball team articles) should be modeled after a MLB team article. Although they are not a major league team, the Aeros are a professional sports team - and a well established high-level minor league team at that (we are not talking about a low level rookie league team or something else of that nature). It's a fact that each and every MLB team article includes a current roster (which is usually updated hours after a roster move occurs). I don't know if there is a discussion for or against including MLB rosters with their team articles but maybe someone could enlighten me. I think if rosters are accepted (and it appears that they are) on a MLB team article, it naturally makes sense to include them on (upper-level) minor league articles as well. After all, former major leaguers often frequent the rosters of AA and AAA teams. I think we agree, work still needs to be done on the Aeros article and I simply think that mirroring it to a MLB team page as much as possible is the way to go. I simply feel that if rosters are accepted in major league articles, they should be accepted in minor league articles (all least down to the AA level).
Finally, in light of all that, I would be in favor of a simplistic roster (i.e. player number, flag, player). This would also take up less space and be placed at the bottom. (The old style was advantegeous simply because most of the current players did not have their own articles but there was still a short discription for each (birth date, birthplace, etc. was nice to have) 152.163.100.199 16:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
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The article 2008 Akron Aeros season should be merged into this one. It appears to have been created by a semi-automated process, and it contains almost no content. Except for a couple of sentences, it is entirely composed of blank information templates. JeremyMcCracken ( talk) ( contribs) 02:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
For now I will put the Lynn Sailors season records from the Sailors page here.
Year | Record | Finish | Manager | Playoffs |
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1980 | 66-71 | 6th | Bobby Floyd | |
1981 | 62-76 | 6th | Bobby Floyd | |
1982 | 82-57 | 2nd | Mickey Bowers | Lost League Finals |
1983 | 77-62 | 2nd | Tommy Sandt | Lost League Finals |
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I've deleted the "Currnet roster" section in accordance with WP:NOT. Point #7 under "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" most closely describes what I believe to be the function of the roster in this article. Furthermore, I am aware that there has been some discussion about this issue on this user talk page and I would like to see further discussion on this talk page before any editors attempt to add the roster back. -- backburner001 14:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
What's wrong with current rosters? As long as its kept up-to-date, which it has been, I think it should be allowed. What's the difference between updating roster and people updating things like team standings and stats everyday? Andouble, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I realize that certain users are probably not intentionally trying to piss me (and others) off by repeatedly removing the current roster so I will kindly assume good faith.
I do not however appreciate being a subject of “don’t do this or else” dialogue (i.e. Do not add the current roster back to the page or it will be considered vandalism: see “further addition of content without talk page discussion will be considered vandalism”). On that basis, shouldn’t your constant removing of critical information (the roster) be considered vandalism?
I really don’t plan to go back and forth on this, but since backburner wants a discussion about it (see “ I removed it again. Until the editors who keep adding it back actually talk to us, the roster goes. It's as simple as that.” -- backburner001 13:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)), well...
The article is called “Akron Aeros” so it really makes sense that the real-life present day Akron Aeros are on the page (i.e. the player roster). The current players represent who the Aeros are better than anyone else. The article is already extremely weak as it is! Most (maybe all) of the info is either copied or slightly re-worded from one/two source(s) (Aeros team website or Eastern League website). Removing the team personal only limits the article even more! Why do we want that? Instead, lets make this page top-notch!
Yes, keeping the roster would require an update possibly every other day (this is really the only compelling argument), but it has been proven that during the course of the 2006 season, there have been several users eager and willing to accurately update the page using a variety of sources (problem solved!). In other words and more to that point, if one roster contributor were to get hit by a bus, there will be other contributors to fill the void. (FYI, At some points throughout the season already, the Aeros official website fell days/a week behind wikipedia in terms of updating the roster.) I don’t know if there is such a thing as a “Frequently Updated Page” tag that could put near the top of the page, but maybe that’s an option.
Finally, sure most of the players are not notable, that is why they are not linked to respective articles. However, they do represent the Aeros more than anyone or anything else and need to stay on the page in the roster format. 152.163.100.199 23:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Points well taken. I failed to mention, but my basic thinking is that this article (and all minor league baseball team articles) should be modeled after a MLB team article. Although they are not a major league team, the Aeros are a professional sports team - and a well established high-level minor league team at that (we are not talking about a low level rookie league team or something else of that nature). It's a fact that each and every MLB team article includes a current roster (which is usually updated hours after a roster move occurs). I don't know if there is a discussion for or against including MLB rosters with their team articles but maybe someone could enlighten me. I think if rosters are accepted (and it appears that they are) on a MLB team article, it naturally makes sense to include them on (upper-level) minor league articles as well. After all, former major leaguers often frequent the rosters of AA and AAA teams. I think we agree, work still needs to be done on the Aeros article and I simply think that mirroring it to a MLB team page as much as possible is the way to go. I simply feel that if rosters are accepted in major league articles, they should be accepted in minor league articles (all least down to the AA level).
Finally, in light of all that, I would be in favor of a simplistic roster (i.e. player number, flag, player). This would also take up less space and be placed at the bottom. (The old style was advantegeous simply because most of the current players did not have their own articles but there was still a short discription for each (birth date, birthplace, etc. was nice to have) 152.163.100.199 16:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Image:TorontoBlueJays.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 04:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
The article 2008 Akron Aeros season should be merged into this one. It appears to have been created by a semi-automated process, and it contains almost no content. Except for a couple of sentences, it is entirely composed of blank information templates. JeremyMcCracken ( talk) ( contribs) 02:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
For now I will put the Lynn Sailors season records from the Sailors page here.
Year | Record | Finish | Manager | Playoffs |
---|---|---|---|---|
1980 | 66-71 | 6th | Bobby Floyd | |
1981 | 62-76 | 6th | Bobby Floyd | |
1982 | 82-57 | 2nd | Mickey Bowers | Lost League Finals |
1983 | 77-62 | 2nd | Tommy Sandt | Lost League Finals |
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