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Since Itachi said Madara made Akatsuki, wouldn't that mean he is a member? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 01:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Madara is Tobi. He was hiding behind the scenes then probably decided to 'join' to keep a closer eye on things. Wikiuser6 ( talk) 12:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
it doesn't take a genius to figure this one out. Itachi said that there are only 3 uchiha left, him, Sasuke, and Madara. and Tobi has a sharingon, and he is always refering to himself as Madara, and even Pain has addressed him as Madara. its obvious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 03:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
in the new chapter, itachi said that madara is only a shell of what he once was, meaning he has become weak. Tobi wants to use the Tailed Beasts to make his sharringgon as strong as it was before. Madara is said to be immortal, and Tobi is seen to be able to survive huge explosions (deidara), a Resengan (Naruto), and a attack from Sasuke's sword, and still live. it all adds up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 01:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually I have a feeling tobi is Obito, he's only used his right eye and he has the same english letters in his name (plus if you take out the last o its tibo backwards), He just refers to himself as marada. and gets away with it because he uses the Mangekou sharingan. -Freedomnow 6 —Preceding
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Since Tobi does have the Sharringon, it should be safe to say that he is a Uchiha clan member. so shouldn't his name be Tobi Uchiha? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 06:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Tobi is an Uchiha. His full name is Madara Uchiha.-Sharingan1679 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.145.124 ( talk) 21:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
wat are u guys's thoughts on the whole tobi-obito theory? from wat i think, i think tobi is actually obito because tobi doesn't have his left eye. and obito lost his left eye to kakashi. i've heard other theories but the tobi-obito one makes more sense to me.-- Bloody rock princess ( talk) 18:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Obito died as a 13 year old boy. Unless dead bodies can grow into adults I don't think this theory is valid. Besides, how would Madara introduce himself? If he looks like Obito (without the mask) that's a big problem. Wikiuser6 ( talk) 12:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
We should put up that one of the bodies is dead.....'twas in the latest chapter, proven...-- 71.173.174.12 ( talk) 04:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Please excuse me if this has already been asked or questioned, but isn't it better to include one small picture of each member, positioned next to their texts? I think this was done long way before but don't know exactly why they were erased.
~ Kudou ( talk) 01:52, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I suggest that we edit the last sentence of the Pain character section to:
"Jiraya notes that the first body Pain appeared in (third from the right) is that of Yahiko. Of the six bodies, none resemble the former Nagato and Yahikos body seems to be the only one carrying an Akatsuki ring."
At least three of the other bodies is not carrying a ring. I have looked through all chapters with the "new bodies", here is were they are shown not wearing a ring: Fat Pain (first from the right): ch 377, p10. Diedara Pain (first from the left): ch 377, p16. Long Hair Pain (second from the right): ch 377, p15 (right hand) and ch 378, p16 (left hand).
This is an noteworthy feature in Pains appearance. It supports Pain being an alias for all six bodies. Finally, it suggests that of the six bodies, Yahikos is the most important.
The ring list in the Wardrope section also needs an edit: "Right thumb: 零 rei, "zero"; worn by Pain." should be changed to "Right thumb: 零 rei, "zero"; worn by Pain (Yahikos Body)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.181.50.40 ( talk) 01:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Diedara Pain: both chapter 379 page 2 and chapter 378, page 17. Long haired Pain: chapter 377, page 15. Fat Pain: Chapter 377, page 10 and page 13.
Just asking here since you talked about Nagato I wanted to know where the hell it says Nagato is Pain in the manga because that was just a speculation by Jiraiya about who he was and he then thought it was Yahiko when he saw him so why is it written in the article that Nagato is Pain if there's nothing to confirm it and as I recall when we were discussing the whole tobi being obito thing we have to have a strong source that says explicitely that for in that case Nagato is Pain before we can write it in the article (last time checked the rules for editing on wikipedia that was mandatory but if someones can prove me I'm wrong than plz do so otherwise I would advise to change the article) 70.81.129.221 ( talk) 04:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)UnKnOwNShInObIdA
In the article both 'Pein' and 'Pain' are being used. Please make up your mind and make the appropriate edits. The article doesnt look good now. Survival705 ( talk) 14:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Or, at least, his individual section. It's becoming pretty apparant that, due to being six characters in one, there will probably be a lot more to talk about with him than with other members. He's already at three paragraphs, and adding in additional details, such as the origins of his other individual bodies (a few of their villages can now be confirmed), or their various combat styles, abilities, and techniques, may inflate his section a lot. While I don't think anything needs to be done yet, it may be prudent to start brainstorming for a solution now. I was thinking a seperate section in this article, or a unique article for the Six Paths of Pain might work, while the Yahiko body wearing the ring remains in the article, but with so much about the character intentionally confusing and mysterious, who knows? WtW-Suzaku ( talk) 06:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Due to the events of this latest Arc, Pain/Pein deserves to have a main article for him, so what is known about him can be expanded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSaiyaMan ( talk • contribs) 16:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey all, I just saw theres an incorrect ref on the page. [38] Naruto manga chapter 365, page 11 in the context of "The Rinnegan, first possessed by the founder of the ninja world and characterized by a number of concentric circles around the pupil, gives the wielder access to all six types of elemental chakra.[38]". It should be chapter 375, page 11. DarkPegasus ( talk) 15:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
What would the "Shadow" Element/Chakra Shikimaru has fall under then?
I suggest these headings be murged. When the series concludes and Akatsuki is both disbanded and all dead, everyone will wind up being a former member and the headings will bge obsolete anyway. It's part of the in universe reference that the header of teh article is talking about. I suggest a single list of "Memebers" consisting of all known characters to wear one of the ten rings and a cloak (Kabuto and Yura being those not in that category). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.17 ( talk) 04:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Kakuzu's article states that he integrates various organs, not only hearts... That has never been stated in the manga and Kakuzu never expressed any interest in any other organs but hearts. 81.228.148.16 ( talk) 18:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Yamato is also a code, but we use it anyway instead of Tenzo. For now Tobi is more official than Madara. Tintor2 ( talk) 18:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
It was "150 in part I" and "31 in part II" since only the first one had a source, I used common sense to correct it, hope there's no error. -- XClaudiox ( talk) 19:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
in the preview of the next naruto chapter, it shows itachi dead. if it is true, then we should put him under former members. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 06:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Its a preview, it means nothing.
That spoiler is fake. It appeared near Monday or Tuesday and the chapter comes out in Japan on Wednesday. People say it was made last week by Chinese fans. Tintor2 ( talk) 10:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Itachi is still pretty talkative for a dead man. As with Jiraiya, there is no pressing need to sign his death certificate ASAP. We'll wait for his death to be WP:V. – Gunslinger47 19:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry I mistook. . Tintor2 ( talk) 19:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Second official databook confirms Itachi as dead? Looks like verifiability to me. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 02:04, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
who said he was dead yet, who knows it can be another genjustsu/illusion a stop jumping into conclusions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.233.242 ( talk) 07:14, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
He died twice and the first one was a genjutsu, what's to say the second one wasn't? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwayssummerdays ( talk • contribs) 18:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't doubt that he's dead, but like with Jiraiya we need to be certain. If Sasuke is asking him a question, then that confirms that Sasuke knows he is still alive, thus able to answer said question. 70.138.167.143 ( talk) 21:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
after getting blown up by deidara, tobi/madara is talking to pain...like he teleported —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.58.130 ( talk) 22:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
In the article it is said that members scratch their headband to show that they no longer have allegiance to their village. What about Pein? He is still with his village. 60.50.72.237 ( talk) 03:20, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I have added this tag to the article, as this article at present does not establish the real-world notability of the subject, as per WP:FICTION and WP:NOT. While I've no doubt that this organisation is notable inside of the Naruto universe, I'm not so sure that it's notable in our universe. If someone can add references to establish this real-world notability, it would be very much appreciated. Lankiveil ( talk) 03:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC).
I read somewhere once that Zetsu's from Kusagakure, is this true? Scorpio777 ( talk) 20:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)Scorpio666
Is it important saying in what ring does the member wear it? Still it hasnt be proved that the ring position is important. It would be like saying in what part of the body the ninja uses his headband.
Other thing is that the info of the ring is repeated saying the member and the main ring info. I will be bold. Tintor2 ( talk) 0:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
what does the character on the chair that itachi is siting on read? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.255.50.36 ( talk) 00:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Stupid question: The article says the ring is "formerly worn" by Orochimaru. Now since the ring is still on what is technically his arm, wouldn't that count as him still wearing it? Lastbetrayal ( talk) 04:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
As it just happened in the last issue, and towards the end at that, the actual death hasn't been confirmed, as Itachi is a master of illusions. I deleted the line signifying his death, and suggest it is left that way until actually confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.171.132.72 ( talk) 17:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Guys.. I've been thinking, why do we separate the Akatsuki members into current and former members? When the Naruto story ends, Pein and his remaining gang will get killed/captured(eventually, duh). So when that happens, you want to put all of them into former members? Doesnt sound right to me. I have little knowledge about wikipedia but I think this article should not be presented as the events unfolds. So I think we should remove the current/former thingy and just explain how they died for each member. Survival705 ( talk) 04:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Why has this been removed? Pain refers to his six selves as the "Pain Rikudou", and they are also referred to as the "Pain Rikudou" in the narration on one of the frontispieces. It's pretty significant to the character, as it ties in with the Samsara and various aspects of Buddhism that are present in Pain's character. I'm gonna add it back unless someone has a viable reason not to include it. WtW-Suzaku ( talk) 15:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
just curious because it seems like a bunch of bullshit if you ask me. Because every picture i upload on to this stupid website gets deleted and its startin to piss me off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxas255 ( talk • contribs) 16:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Relax. There is no reason to be angry. Your images will be deleted to our liking. Wikipedia is mighty. —Preceding unsigned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.154.1 ( talk) 03:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
This article states that the Rin'negan lets Pein control all six types of elemental ckakra, firstly this isn't necessarily true as here may be another reason for this and secondly, this would lead readers to believe that this is the underlying basis behind the Rin'negans powers or that it is the only use of them, there are others such as the super weapon jutsu Pein plans to create —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwayssummerdays ( talk • contribs) 22:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
The claim is not rooted deep in the text. Jiraiya comments that the Rin'negan:
-Is the greatest of the Sandou (legendary three eye techniques)
-That They were possesed by the Rikoudou Sennin, who was given them by God, and whose skills and knowledge "Gave birth to the shinobi world"
-That they would be able to save or destroy the world when the time came.
All of this happened on chapter 373, pages two, three and 375 page 11.
While it states he learned all six chakra types, it also states that he learned Jiraiya's other jutsus which were obviously non-elemental. so that statement is wrong and needs to be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwayssummerdays ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, so what, now that it's 2008 you guys think you can get away with Pein instead of Pain? NO!!! Snap or someone who has a script, help. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 23:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but I have no idea how to do it. Tintor2 ( talk) 21:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I personally think that the big ones like Itachi should have their own pictuer. Ultimaterasengan ( talk) 01:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Itachi is visable in the group picture. The only one that needs a picture is Sasori. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 04:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Well unless the back of Konan's head has suddenly become her face, she needs a picture too. Kakuzu's appearance is pretty obscure and hard to visualize in that group photo as well but nothing compared to Konan or Pain but Pain has a picture now.
Good point-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 07:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
After the latest chapter it seems obvious to me that we should merge the info of these two together. It's been pretty much stated that they are the same person in every way possible.-- 66.229.89.202 ( talk) 18:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
why use pain when pein is the direct romanization?-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 09:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I meant the correct romanization is Pein. Earth bending master 17:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
In the most recent manga,It is said that Madara/Tobi formed akatsuki and was also behind the ninetailed fox attack on konahoa in the beinning of the series. It also explains most of his past. This should all be metioned in the tobi section, bacause he is madara. P.S. we should change the header of that same section from "tobi" to Tobi/Madara uchiha, knocking off of the idea of merging. - Tobi4242 ( talk) 22:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
The article on tobi implies that he is the leader in stead of pien. Is this correct, false or did I reed it wrong? Sakumo ( talk) 01:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Think of Pein as a figurehead, and Madara as the puppetmaster. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 17:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
After watching the dub just now on CN, I've recognized Tobi's voice as Quinton Flynn (I assumed it was Tobi cause only his right eye was visible), and Pain is voiced by Dave Wittenburg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.97.162 ( talk) 03:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Flynn was Deidara. Tobi don't appear until part two. But we should probably get confirmation on who's who before putting down the names of the new VAs. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 03:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
He was upsidedown. I know it was their voices, they voice some of my favorite characters so trust me, I know. But even so wouldn't saying it without confirmation be original research? Lastbetrayal ( talk) 03:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, seriously, like others have mentioned previously, the image at the top of the Akasuki page is a joke. We can only see Konan from the back, as well as Pain but he has his own pic in his description. August 2007 each member had their own picture, and you think Big Man confirmed that they were under fair use rationale? We either give every member their own pic or change the one at the top of the article using any one of the dozens of accurate fan artwork of the Akatsuki grouped together. We're giving clear consenus and the wiki is mightly. I'm sorry, I know Wikipedia is not a democracy, but giving clear consenus is about the same trick, so have at it. 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 03:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)-King Hooks
I saw one piece of fanwork that was accurate and had every member of Akatsuki in it(Orochimaru included). They all looked like idiots but they were all there crystal clear. I could try to get permission to use it if a concensus were to be reached. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 03:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Well then. Who shall start the consensus? 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 03:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)-King Hooks
we need to have a individual picture for each member. they don't have their own page so that is the only way to show who is who. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nichomas ( talk • contribs) 19:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
No, they are all(Minus Sasori) shown in the picture at the top of the article. The picture sucks balls, but they are there. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 20:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
but can people that don't know who is who know what deidara looks like. they could thnk deidara is kisame or any other member Nichomas ( talk) 20:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)nichomas Nichomas ( talk)`
The caption below the picture describes who's who. The only one who has no picture is Sasori. So you might be able to get away with an individual picture for him. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 20:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
also you can't see konan but every time i add a picture of her that has all the right info it is taken off Nichomas ( talk) 20:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)nichomas Nichomas ( talk) 20:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Well can't someone tell the big wigs over at Wikipedia to include a pic of Konan and Sasori? -King Hooks 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Who said Sasori couldn't have one? He isn't depicted anywhere. He is probablty the only one who needs an image. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 21:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
i checked back on the page and Sasori and Konans picture have been reoved and so has my warning not to remove them Nichomas ( talk) 21:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
^Then what is the point of Wikipedia? Is Wikipedia no longer an information source? Are you honestly saying that we need to advertise Google as a secondary source of information when the article should be the only one? Spare me this mockery you call Wikipedia.
Can someone please file a complaint and start a consenus so we can add the images, they were all included in the article for well over a year and only up until August 2007 did the admins decided to go merge crazy and get rid of all the images. Why do some characters such as those of the Konoha 9 and villans such as Orochimaru and Kabuto still have their images? How are they under fair use while none of the Akatsuki are? Several have predicted that even by summer's end, all the Naruto pages will be condensed to a single article, consisting of one paragraph and have and anime related stub at the bottom of the page. Start the consensus. -King Hooks 27 January 2008 (UTC)
It's no use. The admins have been cracking down like the CIA, citing multiple of their Rules pages, which are really annoying, and too technical, to read. I don't know what the reasons are, maybe fear of "potential" lawsuits, or maybe they're thinking of selling out, or maybe just trying to be like a real encylopedia. Which is a stupid idea. Condensed info and minimal pictures =/= better in any way. But one thing is for sure. Many articles on wiki are no longer by the people, for the people. It's made by the elite, who think that a "Consensus" means one or two admins voting, and another admin aggreeing with them. And that's not an exaggeration. 27 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.97.162 ( talk)
Wikipedia, what a sham. Saying that members can use Google for images is the equivilant of a grocery store not carrying apples, and justifying that by saying that if someone wants an apple, they can go pick one off a tree. -King Hooks 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I added all the pics and they are satying Nichomas ( talk) 23:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Your name will be synonomous with hero, Nichomas. -King Hooks 27 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk)
Nichomas if you see this please stop reposting the pictures. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 00:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, the images Nichomas put up are officially gone, after checking the contributes, guess who deleted them? None other than The Artist Formerly Known As Whocares, treason! I thought he was a supporter of the article's pre-August version, images included, and what does he do? deletes everything by day's end. How the might have fallen. Nichomas! Please, restore your latest revision. -King Hooks
All i have to say is that i tried to put them back up but every time they are removed. This is sad how stupid people can be. Basically wikipedia could be sued for every page. So I am sorry to say i won't be adding any of those images to the page. Its all Thanks to Not even Mr. Lister's Nichomas ( talk) 00:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
So that's it man, you're just going to give up? Keep adding the images. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Compwhizii ( talk • contribs) 00:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I changed my mind and i did add the images again. Problem is I am usually busy. So they may come and go. Hopefully they will stay there and not EVER be removed Nichomas ( talk) 00:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Some of them i did make Nichomas ( talk) 01:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC) I re-added them back :) Nichomas ( talk) 01:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
All Wikipedians are mighty, but Nichomas, you are the most mighty Wikipedian of them all. Good job. -King Hooks
I can't revert the page, rat-ass, I'm not a member. Explain to me though, if this is such a big concern, how come the images were there for well over a year without many arguments? Only recently did the admins get all crazy over fair use rationale. Besides, Nichomas used fanart for some of the pics, which, last time I checked are under fair use. -King Hooks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 11:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
You can use fanart, but you need the permission of whoever drew the pictures. The fair use for the pictures originally said that a friend drew them and he got permission, then they were deleted and ten minutes later they were back with him claiming ownership. And with the drastically different drawing style of the three fanmade pictures it is obvious that he drew one or none of them. And the image of Yura is directly from the manga! It's just colored! Lastbetrayal ( talk) 15:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep it civil, people. -- Pentasyllabic ( talk) 17:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Too tired to argue that much, just going to post quotes.
From fan art "Generally small excerpts from larger works that have no financial impact on the original and that are done for non commercial purposes could be considered a fair use (depending on a number of circumstances). American courts also typically grant broad protection to parody and some fan art may fall into this category. This is a legal gray area, which is not related, and legality can often not be determined until after litigation has concluded."
From Derivative Work "A “derivative work” is a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a “derivative work”." -Too tired too fully understand that, but from what I(kinda-See "too tired") understand "derivative work" would consist of more than a stand-alone picture.
Also not many people who create fanart claim the characters within as their own property. Almost all of the ones I have seen do say "Characters are property of _____" or "Copyright of _____"
...Think I forgot something. I'll get a better rebuttal after a nap. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 18:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't want all the images to be there. I want one image that doesn't suck(like the one we currently have) and actually does a good job of showing the members(All of them preferably(Which is why I proposed a piece of fanart)). And they don't have to be parody. They have to be non-commercial(You are right though, we do not know the circumstances). As for "accurate representations", well finding that in and of itself is technically original research, but all you would need are eyes.
Again I think I forgot something. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 19:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I see where you're comin' from. Personally I'd rather go for something official, but as far as I know(and trust me I looked) aside from what we have no such thing exists. I just want something better than the image we already have, cause it really sucks in so very many ways.
As usual, I think I forgot something. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 20:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I am about 75% sure that Deidara is 19 years old in case you wanted to add his age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaydux ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
It's falls under the relevant information category, it stays. -VGCatsfan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 20:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Tobi's section reads: "...he reffers to himself as Madara Uchiha". I don't know if I read the manga wrong but he said he owns Madara's power. His section should read likewise. And we now know it is possible to tranfer the mangekyo sharingan eyes among clansmen (this gives us a hint on how Tobi came up with the power and why Madara is weak). Tobi and Madara and the eyes are all separate entities (as Itachi says "Madara and his eyes"); Itachi says he hides behind akatsuki not Tobi until we get all this straighten up we should separate Madara from Tobi, any person who know nothing about naruto and reads this will asume that madara and tobi are the same. Bvazq ( talk) 19:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
They are the same person, man. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 19:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC) Have you not been reading the manga, he said quite clearly that he is madara-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 04:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I'm willing to keep the image we have up top as long as we add a pic of Konan by her description. I see that someone added a Sasori pic, being that he's not even in the top spread at all, but Konan is clearly not visible by any means whatsoever. That pic was made before Konan was introduced and I'd say Kishimoto would not be happy about one of his characters not being properly represented. -King Hooks 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Also, if a pic of Konan isn't added by week's end, I'll go to the admins for the articles deletetion and Wikipedia will be charged with sexism. 28 January 2008 (UTC)
And how can you sue for sexism? Konan ain't real. Nor is her not having an individual picture about gender. Pain didn't even get a picture until we learned he had six different bodies. Threatening to go to a higher authority if you don't get your way, how childish. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 20:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Same could be done for Sasori(Picture removed, written description added). Lastbetrayal ( talk) 21:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Then do it, add that. Or there will be charges of sexism. So either add a pic or there's gonna be a flamewar. -King Hooks
Couldn't we just bring this guy up on the incidents board? There must be like 3 reasons for him to be banned by now. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 00:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Lastbetrayal your username really suits you, as you have betrayed the trust of several who thought you supported each member of having an image.
Furthermore, I don't know if any of you were around at the time, but I was the one who brought about the change in Konan's bio. Orginally, it said she did Pein bidding, I felt that this was a sexist gender role assigning comment, and I must say it did indeed piss me off greatly. I talked to the big wigs over at Wikipedia as well as called in an admin who was a feminist and she agreed that the wiki and the admins behind the Akatsuki page should be charged with sexism. We got suport and now the "Konan does Pein's bidding" remark is removed.
So I'll be happy to let you all now that this page was put up for speedy deletion unless;
1. Konan gets her own pic as the one at the top of the page is unacceptable.
2. Pein will do Konan's bidding from now on.
Like I said, we already had a little chat about this over at KonanFan and the agreed, so if you don't meet those two requirements up above, KonanFan will charge sexism. -King Hooks
Gotta say, this is very funny. I wanted individual pictures for each member? I said that Sasori might be able to have an image because of his absense in the spread and lack of physical description other than "young looking". And do you even read the manga? Konan and every other member of Akatsuki(minus Tobi) are Pain's subordinates. And when did you talk to any admins in wikipedia? Your contibution page shows no activity outside of this talk page other than vandalising mine. And once again no lawyer in the country would take your case because Konan is a fictional character. So I end with this statement: Request Denied Lastbetrayal ( talk) 00:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
If Konan was real she'd be hella pissed. - TheBigDinkle( talk) 00:61, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Listen here, pal, Do you notice that my username contains the word king? That means I'm in charge. -King Hooks
Buuut she's not real. And your attempt at sock-puppetry fails. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 01:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, tell me why you think Konan should not have a pic of her own. -King Hooks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 01:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
She isn't described at all in her description. -King Hooks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 01:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Try making a topic proposing a picture for Sasori wait awile then see what the concensus about it is. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 02:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Look, I am being completely serious when I say Konan needs her own pic, if you add one for Sasori then I will do everything in my power to get Konan her own pic, I'll register, and after a while I'll be able to edit the article myself. It really does come off as sexist. You can only see her from the back, Pein as his own image, Orochimaru has his own image in his article and if Sasori gets his own than every member will be partially visible except Konan who we can only see from the back because it was before she was introduced. Whoever wrote this article obviously does not respect Konan, as every other member is glorified while Konan is portrayed as nothing more than Pein's henchwoman. She is so much more than that.
Watch me press register. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 02:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I am suggesting Sasori has his own image, as he is the only one that is not displayed, even partially. Please put Support or Oppose and a reason below. Thanks everyone. Earth bending master 02:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Discussion closed, no Sasori picture, thanks everyone. Earth bending master 01:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I am suggesting Konan has her own image, as she is poorly portrayed in the top image spread. Also, I suggest that Pain does Konan's bidding from now on. Please put Support or Oppose and a reason below. Thanks everyone. -King Hooks 02:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
funny thing about this is, all you people that are opposing now are the same people that were pissed off when we removed the pictures-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 01:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
^ Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon's comment; truer words were never written. -King Hooks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 01:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
can someone tell me why we need Akatsukihand.jpg ? *cough*redundant*cough* -- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 03:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah. Well, the cover for volume 41 is released and seems legit, on Leafninja. All members, including Sasori and excluding Orochimaru, are on it. So, er, once a higher quality image comes out, should we use that instead? DarkRyan75 ( talk) 20:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Now Kakuzu and Hidan are only visible from the back. Oh the debate shall never end. -King Hooks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.136.172 ( talk) 02:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Or, we could use the new picture because Orochimaru has a picture in his own article, Zetsu already has a description, Hidan could be easily described, and Kakuzu... well he's pretty much in the same boat as now what with his face in the current spread not visible. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 04:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Of course if we put them both up, everyone will be visible. -King Hooks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.136.172 ( talk) 02:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Sasuke9031 provides nothing to the discussion. It is uneffective -King Hooks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.61.49 ( talk) 20:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29&curid=1589591&diff=190358928&oldid=190252162 -- The Last Uchiha 10:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Done. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 18:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
should be added into it:
After two and a half years of training Sasuke, Orochimaru's current body begins to fail him, and he is forced to begin the body transfer on Sasuke. Sasuke, however, is unwilling to give him the chance and attacks a bedridden Orochimaru. Forced into a corner, Orochimaru reveals his true form and begins the transfer process, though Sasuke, like Itachi years earlier, is able to use his Sharingan to stop it. Setting himself apart from his brother, Sasuke also uses his Sharingan to take control of the dimension within Orochimaru, completely turning the process against him. When later asked by Kabuto about Orochimaru's fate, Sasuke explains that he has taken over Orochimaru, and retained possession of his body. After absorbing Orochimaru, Sasuke is able to heal at a faster rate, an ability he attributes to Orochimaru's white snake form.
While Orochimaru is considered dead in the eyes of the Naruto world, Kabuto has integrated what remained of Orochimaru into his body in an attempt to make himself into an entity even stronger than Orochimaru. The remains, however, seem to have some degree of consciousness, as they have since begun to slowly take control of his body. —Preceding unsigned comment added by P159864 ( talk • contribs) 04:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC) Whatever was left of him in Sasuke got sealed away by itachi.. He is officially dead.
I have a question, why do you guys merge everything!?!? Do you guys get finned ever time you dont merge something. People like rock lee, itachi, shikamaru,negi, hinata. I mean why. If you say they are not doing much in the story right now so the can be meged, the merge naruto, sakura, and kakashi! They are barely doing anything now. plz unmerge all those people.-- Naruto Beier ( talk) 04:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Amateratsu doesn't deserve to be listed under Itachi? I mean, it is the second and last jutsu that comes equipped with his Mangekyou... T3H_CH0Z3N_0N3 ( talk) 06:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Lets wait to next chapter for a better description of amaterasu. Tintor2 ( talk) 09:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Its not the last ability alotted by the mangekyou sharingan. It appears that there is one more ability called susanoo. The only thing is that it is not activated from the eyes but rather from the users nose. It still seems as though it is only possible to use with the ms. Also from the origins of the word it is clear that this ability has something to do with storms or tempest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.22.77 ( talk) 07:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I mean, Dave Wittenburg is listed for just one English episode, so why isn't the Japanese VA there? 19 February 2008 (UTC)
It because the japanese anime hasn't released the voice actor name and simply anonymous right now 24.17.233.242 ( talk) 00:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
On Ch 392's Title page, it put him down as Uchiha Madara instead of Tobi. Should we do the same, too? George Leung ( talk) 05:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Well we're about to find out whose behind the mask of Tobi's so the question of who Tobi is should soon be resolved. I'm not saying it's Obito and I'm not say that it's Madara. But hopefully the next chapeter will resolve our curiosity. And is it me or did it look like Tobi had an eye patch going across towards his left eye. Then again it could have been his eyebrow. but I doubt it. (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaMakDaddy ( talk • contribs)
In addition to the fact that Zetsu's black and half sides appear to differ in certain opinions, recent chapters works as evidence that they differ in knowledge, too, with the black side often filling in with information for the white side... Just something I thought should be noticed. 81.224.28.233 ( talk) 15:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
yes, i agree with you... the black side seems to have a knowledge regarding things that others don't normally know... —Preceding
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There is a statue of Susanoo outside konha temple in manga 314. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.47.88.22 ( talk) 16:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
On the Itachi section there's OR I'd like to point out, namely: His final and strongest (whether Susanoo's power exceeds the other ones' is debatable.) ability, Susanoo (須佐能乎, Susanoo?), acquired only after mastering Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, (pure speculation) creates a massive ethereal warrior that will fight on Itachi's behalf, and otherwise shields him from all attacks. Each ability is progressively more taxing for Itachi to use, such that after performing Susanoo he starts coughing up blood. (we do not know yet if that was because of Susanoo, or previously inflicted damage. Although I'm leaning towards the Susanoo-is-guilty explanation, I'd rather be safe and exclude possibly true information, than sorry and include straight-out incorrect one.)
Another thing worth pointing out is the fact that we currently have no information about Pain actually being the same person as Nagato. The fact that they have similar doctrines and philosophies does stand true, but it was also pointed out, even by Jiraiya himself, that none of the bodies is Nagato's. If erasing the information about Nagato being Pain is out of the question then it should at lest be mentioned that Nagato's real body has yet to make an appearance.
I'd also like to point out the fact that the first part of Tobi's section, the one dealing with his and Deidara's relationship, is written in presens instead of imperfect, this should be changed.
I suppose that's all I can come up with for the time being. Since I'm not the type to edit wiki-articles, I'll leave that up to you guys. Bye! 217.208.26.188 ( talk) 14:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Some white snakes escaped from Orochimaru's body when Itachi sealed him, so he may still be able to come back through them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.112.148 ( talk) 18:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Since Orochimaru was able to come back to life through Sasuke, then it's evident that he could do the same through Kabuto. Even though Itachi summon (a skeletor version of Gigantor) than that should really have it's own article. -PeanutButterMonger —Preceding
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If I read what you wrote right, the it should come to your attention that Orochimaru already has an article. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 00:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Uh... could you right that a little more clearly? Anyhow, Orochimaru's soul resided in Sasuke. Kabuto got a little bit of his corpse. I doubt that Orochimaru will completely resurrect himself from that. Kabuto may be destroyed, or he may not, but whatever is created from this will probably only be a shadow of Orochimaru's power, though maybe with some trace memories left over, if he absorbed any gray matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.140.194 ( talk) 13:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
In the Character section of Volume 41, Tobi is again there with the rest of the cast. However, unlike volume 40, which reffered him as Tobi, he is instead called Madara. Since he's called Madara in the character section of the manga, do you guys think we should refer Tobi as Madara on his section now? Or should we wait a bit longer? 66.220.242.162 ( talk) 18:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC) fantasyleader
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4316/madaramh7.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiuser6 ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
(3-23-08) I think that there should be a change because Oruchimaru is actualy a former Akatsuki member. Remember that the Akatsuki are after him and that Oruchimaru wants Naruto and his friends to kill as many members as they can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studmuffin60 ( talk • contribs) 05:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
That's ridiculous. We SEE the corpse-not breathing, moving, the eyes and mouth open- and Zetsu says he's dead...Zetsu is a spy who's job it is to make sure of this stuff and he's been observing the fight long enough. When Zetsu says Itachi is dead and we SEE the corpse, that's confirmation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.42.105 ( talk) 17:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Because in every other single shot of someone lying on the ground in this manga there are sounds or words to indicate breathing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.42.105 ( talk) 21:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
How does one pass out with their eyes open? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Red13utterfly ( talk • contribs) 12:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
i dont know how you can die with your eyes open but heck, if haku can die with his eyes open then i guess itachi can also! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.89.192 ( talk) 06:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
It's logic. By the way, the translation is 'Itachi's dead?!' and then shows Itachi's a corpse. Got it? Not moving or breathing. Zetsu says Sasuke is passed out, 'Sasuke won' and cries out that Itachi is dead. Deal with it. —Preceding
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Again, absurd. Zetsu doesn't say he passed out, he says he collapsed and then says "Itachi's Dead...." And we SEE THE BODY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.46 ( talk) 23:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
First Zetsu's one half says 'Itachi passed out...?' He takes a closer look: half 1: N-no way.. Half 2: You...don't think... Half 1: Itachi's dead?! Followed by a view of the corpse. Thank you, go away now.
Itachi is 100% percent dead. It has just been revealed by a confirmed and translated spoiler script for chapter 395.
跳びの横にゼツが出てくる! Zetsu appears right beside Tobi.
跳び[どうだった?] Tobi: Well?
ゼツ[終わったよ。] Zetsu: It's over.
佐倉[何あれ?] Sakura: Who's that?
ゼツ[刺すけの勝ち!イタチェは死亡。] Zetsu:Sasuke won. Itachi died.
Kishi sucks.-- Tommyss ( talk) 08:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Please reread that chapter because no where does Zetsu say Itachi passed out. He said "that...Itachi isn't dead. Chapter 394 page 3 and 4. Now I can't say Itachi is dead or if it was the real Itachi as Zetsu stated that "that" Itachi implying that it may not be the real guy. Also Itachi never said Sasuke passed out. Sasuke just fell. But by the way he lays there he seems dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.159.245.20 ( talk) 12:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
You're wrong, sorry. He yells 'Itachi's dead?!" and that's it. Want the picture of it or will you be quiet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.46.122 ( talk) 15:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
You don't have to be mean about what I said. but I gave you the page so you can look it up. if not it's the the last panel of page 3 and the full panel of Itachi's face page for. However in Chapter 395 it has been comformed by Zetsu to Tobi that he's dead. Just has Tobi said he predicted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.159.245.20 ( talk) 12:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
It's hard to tell when Tobi is serious or not. Dreadwins ( talk) 18:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
A translation of the script for chapter 397 states that not only is Itachi alive, but Nagato might not be a Path of Pain.
Could we make seperate paragraphs for the Info on the character and the events in the plot for the character please. It's very difficult sometimes to find the full plot (The character has). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.249.135 ( talk) 22:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
in the latest chapter, Tobi is shown to be able to use space/time ninjutsu. and kakashi even said it was even better then the Fourth's. i think we should put that in Tobi's info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 16:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
shouldn't itachi be put on the former members list now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.216.112.137 ( talk) 22:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Until the real chapter that shows his death (not a spoiler) comes out can we call him dead -- Rofur ( talk) 02:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think he died, just maybe collapsed from overuse of the sharingan. March 27 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mangekyosharingan14 ( talk • contribs) 19:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
In chapter 396, Madara/Tobi tells Zetsu they "need to get Itachi's corpse", so that's pretty much confirming he's dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.26.133.248 ( talk) 15:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Will Kisame get a partner in the net chapter, or should that partnership info be changed to None, formerly Itachi Uchiha? Sasuke9031 ( talk) 00:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Zetsu's cries out in shock "Itachi's dead?!" And we cut to an image of Itachi's lifeless body...he's not moving, not breathing, his mouth and eyes are open, and to top it off, it starts pouring rain-if he ain't dead yet, he's drowning alright. Zetsu outright confirms it, though...and given that we see Itachi's unmoving, non breathing corpse...it's confirmed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.35.92 ( talk) 02:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
He's dead, fanboys, deal with it. JuJube ( talk) 11:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
itach is dead ppl. i know its hard for his fangirls but hey, dont complain to me. try telling mashi kishimoto that after he already published it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.89.192 ( talk) 06:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Chapter 396 has been released. Tobi has Sasuke, so maybe Sasuke will take his brother's place in Akatsuki? —Preceding
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My bad he is under former. It looked like it because under it it said former agents. By the way What is the differecnt between an agent and member —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studmuffin60 ( talk • contribs) 05:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Does somebody have a link or something to show these "discussions" where it was decided that Pain would be the spelling? Gune ( talk) 00:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
It would be obiusly be pain because mishi would'nt wanted the usa or europe to be offended be pein eg penis i know its dumb but pain is much more cooler..
For right now, I think the part about Itachi having died should be removed. He collapsed and certainly looks close to death, but until it's absolutely confirmed, it's just speculation. 24.131.8.253 ( talk) 13:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Itachi is dead as of chapter 393. Wiki360 ( talk) 07:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Please update the Akatsuki article since Uchiha Itachi deceased in chapter 393 ( http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-393/page001.html).
I still cannot understand why Itachi lost to his younger and definitely still weaker brother ... Kishi starts pissing me off. Tommyss ( talk) 10:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
It was never explicitly said that Itachi is dead. He simply collapsed. Until we get a more definitive confirmation, I say we just add a mention about him collapsing before he could take the eyes.60.52.123.220 (talk) 10:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC) I AGREE WITH THIS 100 % —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.56.108 ( talk) 21:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
The recent chapter pretty clearly says Itachi is dead...recent spoiler pics of 394 confirm it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.213.237 ( talk) 12:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
in the version that I read it just said that he was paralyzed and spoilers don't count they can be misleading so it shouldn't be said he is dead-- 71.218.196.182 ( talk) 02:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
The chapter is now out...Zetsu says Itachi is dead, and we're shown his corpse very clearly...lying there, not breathing, moving, and the eyes are even open. —Preceding
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Ok so Itachi is dead just like I said he was last week Wiki360 ( talk) 03:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Although I think it too soon to list him as such, it seems it’s been decided to list Itachi as dead. In that case, shouldn’t there be a (Deceased) description next to his age in the article?-- Halls452 ( talk) 23:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Although I disagree with Itachi being dead (how can you tell if a picture of a character is breathing or not?) his page needs to be cleaned up. His age for Part II was deleted when deceased was put in. Also, cant this argument simply be solved by writing (Assumed Deceased)... it would basically solve both parties' claims. 24.184.73.244 ( talk) 02:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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I agree, Itachi being dead is just a speculation for now.
Dreadwins ( talk) 09:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC) Yeah but neither of them are doctors :P - but to be more serious,. "Also, cant this argument simply be solved by writing (Assumed Deceased)... it would basically solve both parties' claims." seems like a good idea for now.
Well Itachi has been called a corpse by Madara who was standing right next to Itachi. So he's really dead... Dreadwins ( talk) 13:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
At the top of the article, it says Madara created Akatsuki and references "Page 5 of Volume 17, Chapter 143." Two problems: 1) Chapter 143 is in Volume 16, not 17. 2) There is nothing on that page that says anything about Madara Uchiha. I don't recall seeing anything about Madara creating Akatsuki. If he did, there needs to be a real reference. Jdlordhelmet ( talk) 22:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
No because know one would know he is the Leader in Secret Sasori was so rude to him he would'nt of been if he knew. Perry.H —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.73.118.96 ( talk) 19:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
We should put that they are deceased by the names of the Akatsuki that ARE dead. It saves people the trouble of having to read there info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 00:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The page is semi-protected, so I can't fix any spelling or grammar mistakes I find, so I thought I'd start a section in the talk page for errors, which hopefully someone else can fix for me.
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Since Itachi said Madara made Akatsuki, wouldn't that mean he is a member? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 01:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Madara is Tobi. He was hiding behind the scenes then probably decided to 'join' to keep a closer eye on things. Wikiuser6 ( talk) 12:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
it doesn't take a genius to figure this one out. Itachi said that there are only 3 uchiha left, him, Sasuke, and Madara. and Tobi has a sharingon, and he is always refering to himself as Madara, and even Pain has addressed him as Madara. its obvious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 03:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
in the new chapter, itachi said that madara is only a shell of what he once was, meaning he has become weak. Tobi wants to use the Tailed Beasts to make his sharringgon as strong as it was before. Madara is said to be immortal, and Tobi is seen to be able to survive huge explosions (deidara), a Resengan (Naruto), and a attack from Sasuke's sword, and still live. it all adds up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 01:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually I have a feeling tobi is Obito, he's only used his right eye and he has the same english letters in his name (plus if you take out the last o its tibo backwards), He just refers to himself as marada. and gets away with it because he uses the Mangekou sharingan. -Freedomnow 6 —Preceding
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Since Tobi does have the Sharringon, it should be safe to say that he is a Uchiha clan member. so shouldn't his name be Tobi Uchiha? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 06:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Tobi is an Uchiha. His full name is Madara Uchiha.-Sharingan1679 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.145.124 ( talk) 21:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
wat are u guys's thoughts on the whole tobi-obito theory? from wat i think, i think tobi is actually obito because tobi doesn't have his left eye. and obito lost his left eye to kakashi. i've heard other theories but the tobi-obito one makes more sense to me.-- Bloody rock princess ( talk) 18:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Obito died as a 13 year old boy. Unless dead bodies can grow into adults I don't think this theory is valid. Besides, how would Madara introduce himself? If he looks like Obito (without the mask) that's a big problem. Wikiuser6 ( talk) 12:22, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
We should put up that one of the bodies is dead.....'twas in the latest chapter, proven...-- 71.173.174.12 ( talk) 04:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Please excuse me if this has already been asked or questioned, but isn't it better to include one small picture of each member, positioned next to their texts? I think this was done long way before but don't know exactly why they were erased.
~ Kudou ( talk) 01:52, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I suggest that we edit the last sentence of the Pain character section to:
"Jiraya notes that the first body Pain appeared in (third from the right) is that of Yahiko. Of the six bodies, none resemble the former Nagato and Yahikos body seems to be the only one carrying an Akatsuki ring."
At least three of the other bodies is not carrying a ring. I have looked through all chapters with the "new bodies", here is were they are shown not wearing a ring: Fat Pain (first from the right): ch 377, p10. Diedara Pain (first from the left): ch 377, p16. Long Hair Pain (second from the right): ch 377, p15 (right hand) and ch 378, p16 (left hand).
This is an noteworthy feature in Pains appearance. It supports Pain being an alias for all six bodies. Finally, it suggests that of the six bodies, Yahikos is the most important.
The ring list in the Wardrope section also needs an edit: "Right thumb: 零 rei, "zero"; worn by Pain." should be changed to "Right thumb: 零 rei, "zero"; worn by Pain (Yahikos Body)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.181.50.40 ( talk) 01:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Diedara Pain: both chapter 379 page 2 and chapter 378, page 17. Long haired Pain: chapter 377, page 15. Fat Pain: Chapter 377, page 10 and page 13.
Just asking here since you talked about Nagato I wanted to know where the hell it says Nagato is Pain in the manga because that was just a speculation by Jiraiya about who he was and he then thought it was Yahiko when he saw him so why is it written in the article that Nagato is Pain if there's nothing to confirm it and as I recall when we were discussing the whole tobi being obito thing we have to have a strong source that says explicitely that for in that case Nagato is Pain before we can write it in the article (last time checked the rules for editing on wikipedia that was mandatory but if someones can prove me I'm wrong than plz do so otherwise I would advise to change the article) 70.81.129.221 ( talk) 04:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)UnKnOwNShInObIdA
In the article both 'Pein' and 'Pain' are being used. Please make up your mind and make the appropriate edits. The article doesnt look good now. Survival705 ( talk) 14:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Or, at least, his individual section. It's becoming pretty apparant that, due to being six characters in one, there will probably be a lot more to talk about with him than with other members. He's already at three paragraphs, and adding in additional details, such as the origins of his other individual bodies (a few of their villages can now be confirmed), or their various combat styles, abilities, and techniques, may inflate his section a lot. While I don't think anything needs to be done yet, it may be prudent to start brainstorming for a solution now. I was thinking a seperate section in this article, or a unique article for the Six Paths of Pain might work, while the Yahiko body wearing the ring remains in the article, but with so much about the character intentionally confusing and mysterious, who knows? WtW-Suzaku ( talk) 06:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Due to the events of this latest Arc, Pain/Pein deserves to have a main article for him, so what is known about him can be expanded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSaiyaMan ( talk • contribs) 16:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey all, I just saw theres an incorrect ref on the page. [38] Naruto manga chapter 365, page 11 in the context of "The Rinnegan, first possessed by the founder of the ninja world and characterized by a number of concentric circles around the pupil, gives the wielder access to all six types of elemental chakra.[38]". It should be chapter 375, page 11. DarkPegasus ( talk) 15:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
What would the "Shadow" Element/Chakra Shikimaru has fall under then?
I suggest these headings be murged. When the series concludes and Akatsuki is both disbanded and all dead, everyone will wind up being a former member and the headings will bge obsolete anyway. It's part of the in universe reference that the header of teh article is talking about. I suggest a single list of "Memebers" consisting of all known characters to wear one of the ten rings and a cloak (Kabuto and Yura being those not in that category). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.130.17 ( talk) 04:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Kakuzu's article states that he integrates various organs, not only hearts... That has never been stated in the manga and Kakuzu never expressed any interest in any other organs but hearts. 81.228.148.16 ( talk) 18:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Yamato is also a code, but we use it anyway instead of Tenzo. For now Tobi is more official than Madara. Tintor2 ( talk) 18:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
It was "150 in part I" and "31 in part II" since only the first one had a source, I used common sense to correct it, hope there's no error. -- XClaudiox ( talk) 19:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
in the preview of the next naruto chapter, it shows itachi dead. if it is true, then we should put him under former members. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 06:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Its a preview, it means nothing.
That spoiler is fake. It appeared near Monday or Tuesday and the chapter comes out in Japan on Wednesday. People say it was made last week by Chinese fans. Tintor2 ( talk) 10:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Itachi is still pretty talkative for a dead man. As with Jiraiya, there is no pressing need to sign his death certificate ASAP. We'll wait for his death to be WP:V. – Gunslinger47 19:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry I mistook. . Tintor2 ( talk) 19:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Second official databook confirms Itachi as dead? Looks like verifiability to me. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 02:04, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
who said he was dead yet, who knows it can be another genjustsu/illusion a stop jumping into conclusions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.233.242 ( talk) 07:14, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
He died twice and the first one was a genjutsu, what's to say the second one wasn't? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwayssummerdays ( talk • contribs) 18:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't doubt that he's dead, but like with Jiraiya we need to be certain. If Sasuke is asking him a question, then that confirms that Sasuke knows he is still alive, thus able to answer said question. 70.138.167.143 ( talk) 21:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
after getting blown up by deidara, tobi/madara is talking to pain...like he teleported —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.58.130 ( talk) 22:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
In the article it is said that members scratch their headband to show that they no longer have allegiance to their village. What about Pein? He is still with his village. 60.50.72.237 ( talk) 03:20, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I have added this tag to the article, as this article at present does not establish the real-world notability of the subject, as per WP:FICTION and WP:NOT. While I've no doubt that this organisation is notable inside of the Naruto universe, I'm not so sure that it's notable in our universe. If someone can add references to establish this real-world notability, it would be very much appreciated. Lankiveil ( talk) 03:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC).
I read somewhere once that Zetsu's from Kusagakure, is this true? Scorpio777 ( talk) 20:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)Scorpio666
Is it important saying in what ring does the member wear it? Still it hasnt be proved that the ring position is important. It would be like saying in what part of the body the ninja uses his headband.
Other thing is that the info of the ring is repeated saying the member and the main ring info. I will be bold. Tintor2 ( talk) 0:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
what does the character on the chair that itachi is siting on read? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.255.50.36 ( talk) 00:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Stupid question: The article says the ring is "formerly worn" by Orochimaru. Now since the ring is still on what is technically his arm, wouldn't that count as him still wearing it? Lastbetrayal ( talk) 04:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
As it just happened in the last issue, and towards the end at that, the actual death hasn't been confirmed, as Itachi is a master of illusions. I deleted the line signifying his death, and suggest it is left that way until actually confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.171.132.72 ( talk) 17:43, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Guys.. I've been thinking, why do we separate the Akatsuki members into current and former members? When the Naruto story ends, Pein and his remaining gang will get killed/captured(eventually, duh). So when that happens, you want to put all of them into former members? Doesnt sound right to me. I have little knowledge about wikipedia but I think this article should not be presented as the events unfolds. So I think we should remove the current/former thingy and just explain how they died for each member. Survival705 ( talk) 04:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Why has this been removed? Pain refers to his six selves as the "Pain Rikudou", and they are also referred to as the "Pain Rikudou" in the narration on one of the frontispieces. It's pretty significant to the character, as it ties in with the Samsara and various aspects of Buddhism that are present in Pain's character. I'm gonna add it back unless someone has a viable reason not to include it. WtW-Suzaku ( talk) 15:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
just curious because it seems like a bunch of bullshit if you ask me. Because every picture i upload on to this stupid website gets deleted and its startin to piss me off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxas255 ( talk • contribs) 16:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Relax. There is no reason to be angry. Your images will be deleted to our liking. Wikipedia is mighty. —Preceding unsigned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.154.1 ( talk) 03:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
This article states that the Rin'negan lets Pein control all six types of elemental ckakra, firstly this isn't necessarily true as here may be another reason for this and secondly, this would lead readers to believe that this is the underlying basis behind the Rin'negans powers or that it is the only use of them, there are others such as the super weapon jutsu Pein plans to create —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwayssummerdays ( talk • contribs) 22:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
The claim is not rooted deep in the text. Jiraiya comments that the Rin'negan:
-Is the greatest of the Sandou (legendary three eye techniques)
-That They were possesed by the Rikoudou Sennin, who was given them by God, and whose skills and knowledge "Gave birth to the shinobi world"
-That they would be able to save or destroy the world when the time came.
All of this happened on chapter 373, pages two, three and 375 page 11.
While it states he learned all six chakra types, it also states that he learned Jiraiya's other jutsus which were obviously non-elemental. so that statement is wrong and needs to be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwayssummerdays ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
OK, so what, now that it's 2008 you guys think you can get away with Pein instead of Pain? NO!!! Snap or someone who has a script, help. Sasuke9031 ( talk) 23:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but I have no idea how to do it. Tintor2 ( talk) 21:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I personally think that the big ones like Itachi should have their own pictuer. Ultimaterasengan ( talk) 01:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Itachi is visable in the group picture. The only one that needs a picture is Sasori. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 04:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Well unless the back of Konan's head has suddenly become her face, she needs a picture too. Kakuzu's appearance is pretty obscure and hard to visualize in that group photo as well but nothing compared to Konan or Pain but Pain has a picture now.
Good point-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 07:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
After the latest chapter it seems obvious to me that we should merge the info of these two together. It's been pretty much stated that they are the same person in every way possible.-- 66.229.89.202 ( talk) 18:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
why use pain when pein is the direct romanization?-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 09:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I meant the correct romanization is Pein. Earth bending master 17:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
In the most recent manga,It is said that Madara/Tobi formed akatsuki and was also behind the ninetailed fox attack on konahoa in the beinning of the series. It also explains most of his past. This should all be metioned in the tobi section, bacause he is madara. P.S. we should change the header of that same section from "tobi" to Tobi/Madara uchiha, knocking off of the idea of merging. - Tobi4242 ( talk) 22:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
The article on tobi implies that he is the leader in stead of pien. Is this correct, false or did I reed it wrong? Sakumo ( talk) 01:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Think of Pein as a figurehead, and Madara as the puppetmaster. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 17:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
After watching the dub just now on CN, I've recognized Tobi's voice as Quinton Flynn (I assumed it was Tobi cause only his right eye was visible), and Pain is voiced by Dave Wittenburg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.97.162 ( talk) 03:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Flynn was Deidara. Tobi don't appear until part two. But we should probably get confirmation on who's who before putting down the names of the new VAs. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 03:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
He was upsidedown. I know it was their voices, they voice some of my favorite characters so trust me, I know. But even so wouldn't saying it without confirmation be original research? Lastbetrayal ( talk) 03:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, seriously, like others have mentioned previously, the image at the top of the Akasuki page is a joke. We can only see Konan from the back, as well as Pain but he has his own pic in his description. August 2007 each member had their own picture, and you think Big Man confirmed that they were under fair use rationale? We either give every member their own pic or change the one at the top of the article using any one of the dozens of accurate fan artwork of the Akatsuki grouped together. We're giving clear consenus and the wiki is mightly. I'm sorry, I know Wikipedia is not a democracy, but giving clear consenus is about the same trick, so have at it. 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 03:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)-King Hooks
I saw one piece of fanwork that was accurate and had every member of Akatsuki in it(Orochimaru included). They all looked like idiots but they were all there crystal clear. I could try to get permission to use it if a concensus were to be reached. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 03:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Well then. Who shall start the consensus? 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 03:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)-King Hooks
we need to have a individual picture for each member. they don't have their own page so that is the only way to show who is who. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nichomas ( talk • contribs) 19:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
No, they are all(Minus Sasori) shown in the picture at the top of the article. The picture sucks balls, but they are there. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 20:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
but can people that don't know who is who know what deidara looks like. they could thnk deidara is kisame or any other member Nichomas ( talk) 20:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)nichomas Nichomas ( talk)`
The caption below the picture describes who's who. The only one who has no picture is Sasori. So you might be able to get away with an individual picture for him. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 20:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
also you can't see konan but every time i add a picture of her that has all the right info it is taken off Nichomas ( talk) 20:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)nichomas Nichomas ( talk) 20:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Well can't someone tell the big wigs over at Wikipedia to include a pic of Konan and Sasori? -King Hooks 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Who said Sasori couldn't have one? He isn't depicted anywhere. He is probablty the only one who needs an image. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 21:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
i checked back on the page and Sasori and Konans picture have been reoved and so has my warning not to remove them Nichomas ( talk) 21:20, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
^Then what is the point of Wikipedia? Is Wikipedia no longer an information source? Are you honestly saying that we need to advertise Google as a secondary source of information when the article should be the only one? Spare me this mockery you call Wikipedia.
Can someone please file a complaint and start a consenus so we can add the images, they were all included in the article for well over a year and only up until August 2007 did the admins decided to go merge crazy and get rid of all the images. Why do some characters such as those of the Konoha 9 and villans such as Orochimaru and Kabuto still have their images? How are they under fair use while none of the Akatsuki are? Several have predicted that even by summer's end, all the Naruto pages will be condensed to a single article, consisting of one paragraph and have and anime related stub at the bottom of the page. Start the consensus. -King Hooks 27 January 2008 (UTC)
It's no use. The admins have been cracking down like the CIA, citing multiple of their Rules pages, which are really annoying, and too technical, to read. I don't know what the reasons are, maybe fear of "potential" lawsuits, or maybe they're thinking of selling out, or maybe just trying to be like a real encylopedia. Which is a stupid idea. Condensed info and minimal pictures =/= better in any way. But one thing is for sure. Many articles on wiki are no longer by the people, for the people. It's made by the elite, who think that a "Consensus" means one or two admins voting, and another admin aggreeing with them. And that's not an exaggeration. 27 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.97.162 ( talk)
Wikipedia, what a sham. Saying that members can use Google for images is the equivilant of a grocery store not carrying apples, and justifying that by saying that if someone wants an apple, they can go pick one off a tree. -King Hooks 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I added all the pics and they are satying Nichomas ( talk) 23:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Your name will be synonomous with hero, Nichomas. -King Hooks 27 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk)
Nichomas if you see this please stop reposting the pictures. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 00:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, the images Nichomas put up are officially gone, after checking the contributes, guess who deleted them? None other than The Artist Formerly Known As Whocares, treason! I thought he was a supporter of the article's pre-August version, images included, and what does he do? deletes everything by day's end. How the might have fallen. Nichomas! Please, restore your latest revision. -King Hooks
All i have to say is that i tried to put them back up but every time they are removed. This is sad how stupid people can be. Basically wikipedia could be sued for every page. So I am sorry to say i won't be adding any of those images to the page. Its all Thanks to Not even Mr. Lister's Nichomas ( talk) 00:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
So that's it man, you're just going to give up? Keep adding the images. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Compwhizii ( talk • contribs) 00:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I changed my mind and i did add the images again. Problem is I am usually busy. So they may come and go. Hopefully they will stay there and not EVER be removed Nichomas ( talk) 00:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Some of them i did make Nichomas ( talk) 01:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC) I re-added them back :) Nichomas ( talk) 01:29, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
All Wikipedians are mighty, but Nichomas, you are the most mighty Wikipedian of them all. Good job. -King Hooks
I can't revert the page, rat-ass, I'm not a member. Explain to me though, if this is such a big concern, how come the images were there for well over a year without many arguments? Only recently did the admins get all crazy over fair use rationale. Besides, Nichomas used fanart for some of the pics, which, last time I checked are under fair use. -King Hooks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 11:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
You can use fanart, but you need the permission of whoever drew the pictures. The fair use for the pictures originally said that a friend drew them and he got permission, then they were deleted and ten minutes later they were back with him claiming ownership. And with the drastically different drawing style of the three fanmade pictures it is obvious that he drew one or none of them. And the image of Yura is directly from the manga! It's just colored! Lastbetrayal ( talk) 15:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Keep it civil, people. -- Pentasyllabic ( talk) 17:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Too tired to argue that much, just going to post quotes.
From fan art "Generally small excerpts from larger works that have no financial impact on the original and that are done for non commercial purposes could be considered a fair use (depending on a number of circumstances). American courts also typically grant broad protection to parody and some fan art may fall into this category. This is a legal gray area, which is not related, and legality can often not be determined until after litigation has concluded."
From Derivative Work "A “derivative work” is a work based upon one or more preexisting works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a “derivative work”." -Too tired too fully understand that, but from what I(kinda-See "too tired") understand "derivative work" would consist of more than a stand-alone picture.
Also not many people who create fanart claim the characters within as their own property. Almost all of the ones I have seen do say "Characters are property of _____" or "Copyright of _____"
...Think I forgot something. I'll get a better rebuttal after a nap. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 18:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't want all the images to be there. I want one image that doesn't suck(like the one we currently have) and actually does a good job of showing the members(All of them preferably(Which is why I proposed a piece of fanart)). And they don't have to be parody. They have to be non-commercial(You are right though, we do not know the circumstances). As for "accurate representations", well finding that in and of itself is technically original research, but all you would need are eyes.
Again I think I forgot something. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 19:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I see where you're comin' from. Personally I'd rather go for something official, but as far as I know(and trust me I looked) aside from what we have no such thing exists. I just want something better than the image we already have, cause it really sucks in so very many ways.
As usual, I think I forgot something. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 20:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
I am about 75% sure that Deidara is 19 years old in case you wanted to add his age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaydux ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
It's falls under the relevant information category, it stays. -VGCatsfan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 20:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Tobi's section reads: "...he reffers to himself as Madara Uchiha". I don't know if I read the manga wrong but he said he owns Madara's power. His section should read likewise. And we now know it is possible to tranfer the mangekyo sharingan eyes among clansmen (this gives us a hint on how Tobi came up with the power and why Madara is weak). Tobi and Madara and the eyes are all separate entities (as Itachi says "Madara and his eyes"); Itachi says he hides behind akatsuki not Tobi until we get all this straighten up we should separate Madara from Tobi, any person who know nothing about naruto and reads this will asume that madara and tobi are the same. Bvazq ( talk) 19:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
They are the same person, man. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 19:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC) Have you not been reading the manga, he said quite clearly that he is madara-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 04:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I'm willing to keep the image we have up top as long as we add a pic of Konan by her description. I see that someone added a Sasori pic, being that he's not even in the top spread at all, but Konan is clearly not visible by any means whatsoever. That pic was made before Konan was introduced and I'd say Kishimoto would not be happy about one of his characters not being properly represented. -King Hooks 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Also, if a pic of Konan isn't added by week's end, I'll go to the admins for the articles deletetion and Wikipedia will be charged with sexism. 28 January 2008 (UTC)
And how can you sue for sexism? Konan ain't real. Nor is her not having an individual picture about gender. Pain didn't even get a picture until we learned he had six different bodies. Threatening to go to a higher authority if you don't get your way, how childish. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 20:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Same could be done for Sasori(Picture removed, written description added). Lastbetrayal ( talk) 21:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Then do it, add that. Or there will be charges of sexism. So either add a pic or there's gonna be a flamewar. -King Hooks
Couldn't we just bring this guy up on the incidents board? There must be like 3 reasons for him to be banned by now. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 00:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Lastbetrayal your username really suits you, as you have betrayed the trust of several who thought you supported each member of having an image.
Furthermore, I don't know if any of you were around at the time, but I was the one who brought about the change in Konan's bio. Orginally, it said she did Pein bidding, I felt that this was a sexist gender role assigning comment, and I must say it did indeed piss me off greatly. I talked to the big wigs over at Wikipedia as well as called in an admin who was a feminist and she agreed that the wiki and the admins behind the Akatsuki page should be charged with sexism. We got suport and now the "Konan does Pein's bidding" remark is removed.
So I'll be happy to let you all now that this page was put up for speedy deletion unless;
1. Konan gets her own pic as the one at the top of the page is unacceptable.
2. Pein will do Konan's bidding from now on.
Like I said, we already had a little chat about this over at KonanFan and the agreed, so if you don't meet those two requirements up above, KonanFan will charge sexism. -King Hooks
Gotta say, this is very funny. I wanted individual pictures for each member? I said that Sasori might be able to have an image because of his absense in the spread and lack of physical description other than "young looking". And do you even read the manga? Konan and every other member of Akatsuki(minus Tobi) are Pain's subordinates. And when did you talk to any admins in wikipedia? Your contibution page shows no activity outside of this talk page other than vandalising mine. And once again no lawyer in the country would take your case because Konan is a fictional character. So I end with this statement: Request Denied Lastbetrayal ( talk) 00:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
If Konan was real she'd be hella pissed. - TheBigDinkle( talk) 00:61, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Listen here, pal, Do you notice that my username contains the word king? That means I'm in charge. -King Hooks
Buuut she's not real. And your attempt at sock-puppetry fails. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 01:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Ok, tell me why you think Konan should not have a pic of her own. -King Hooks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 01:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
She isn't described at all in her description. -King Hooks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 01:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Try making a topic proposing a picture for Sasori wait awile then see what the concensus about it is. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 02:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Look, I am being completely serious when I say Konan needs her own pic, if you add one for Sasori then I will do everything in my power to get Konan her own pic, I'll register, and after a while I'll be able to edit the article myself. It really does come off as sexist. You can only see her from the back, Pein as his own image, Orochimaru has his own image in his article and if Sasori gets his own than every member will be partially visible except Konan who we can only see from the back because it was before she was introduced. Whoever wrote this article obviously does not respect Konan, as every other member is glorified while Konan is portrayed as nothing more than Pein's henchwoman. She is so much more than that.
Watch me press register. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 02:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I am suggesting Sasori has his own image, as he is the only one that is not displayed, even partially. Please put Support or Oppose and a reason below. Thanks everyone. Earth bending master 02:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Discussion closed, no Sasori picture, thanks everyone. Earth bending master 01:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I am suggesting Konan has her own image, as she is poorly portrayed in the top image spread. Also, I suggest that Pain does Konan's bidding from now on. Please put Support or Oppose and a reason below. Thanks everyone. -King Hooks 02:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
funny thing about this is, all you people that are opposing now are the same people that were pissed off when we removed the pictures-- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 01:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
^ Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon's comment; truer words were never written. -King Hooks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.56.159 ( talk) 01:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
can someone tell me why we need Akatsukihand.jpg ? *cough*redundant*cough* -- Blue-Eyes Gold Dragon 03:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah. Well, the cover for volume 41 is released and seems legit, on Leafninja. All members, including Sasori and excluding Orochimaru, are on it. So, er, once a higher quality image comes out, should we use that instead? DarkRyan75 ( talk) 20:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Now Kakuzu and Hidan are only visible from the back. Oh the debate shall never end. -King Hooks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.136.172 ( talk) 02:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Or, we could use the new picture because Orochimaru has a picture in his own article, Zetsu already has a description, Hidan could be easily described, and Kakuzu... well he's pretty much in the same boat as now what with his face in the current spread not visible. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 04:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Of course if we put them both up, everyone will be visible. -King Hooks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.136.172 ( talk) 02:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Sasuke9031 provides nothing to the discussion. It is uneffective -King Hooks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.61.49 ( talk) 20:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29&curid=1589591&diff=190358928&oldid=190252162 -- The Last Uchiha 10:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Done. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 18:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
should be added into it:
After two and a half years of training Sasuke, Orochimaru's current body begins to fail him, and he is forced to begin the body transfer on Sasuke. Sasuke, however, is unwilling to give him the chance and attacks a bedridden Orochimaru. Forced into a corner, Orochimaru reveals his true form and begins the transfer process, though Sasuke, like Itachi years earlier, is able to use his Sharingan to stop it. Setting himself apart from his brother, Sasuke also uses his Sharingan to take control of the dimension within Orochimaru, completely turning the process against him. When later asked by Kabuto about Orochimaru's fate, Sasuke explains that he has taken over Orochimaru, and retained possession of his body. After absorbing Orochimaru, Sasuke is able to heal at a faster rate, an ability he attributes to Orochimaru's white snake form.
While Orochimaru is considered dead in the eyes of the Naruto world, Kabuto has integrated what remained of Orochimaru into his body in an attempt to make himself into an entity even stronger than Orochimaru. The remains, however, seem to have some degree of consciousness, as they have since begun to slowly take control of his body. —Preceding unsigned comment added by P159864 ( talk • contribs) 04:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC) Whatever was left of him in Sasuke got sealed away by itachi.. He is officially dead.
I have a question, why do you guys merge everything!?!? Do you guys get finned ever time you dont merge something. People like rock lee, itachi, shikamaru,negi, hinata. I mean why. If you say they are not doing much in the story right now so the can be meged, the merge naruto, sakura, and kakashi! They are barely doing anything now. plz unmerge all those people.-- Naruto Beier ( talk) 04:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Amateratsu doesn't deserve to be listed under Itachi? I mean, it is the second and last jutsu that comes equipped with his Mangekyou... T3H_CH0Z3N_0N3 ( talk) 06:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Lets wait to next chapter for a better description of amaterasu. Tintor2 ( talk) 09:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Its not the last ability alotted by the mangekyou sharingan. It appears that there is one more ability called susanoo. The only thing is that it is not activated from the eyes but rather from the users nose. It still seems as though it is only possible to use with the ms. Also from the origins of the word it is clear that this ability has something to do with storms or tempest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.22.77 ( talk) 07:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I mean, Dave Wittenburg is listed for just one English episode, so why isn't the Japanese VA there? 19 February 2008 (UTC)
It because the japanese anime hasn't released the voice actor name and simply anonymous right now 24.17.233.242 ( talk) 00:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
On Ch 392's Title page, it put him down as Uchiha Madara instead of Tobi. Should we do the same, too? George Leung ( talk) 05:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Well we're about to find out whose behind the mask of Tobi's so the question of who Tobi is should soon be resolved. I'm not saying it's Obito and I'm not say that it's Madara. But hopefully the next chapeter will resolve our curiosity. And is it me or did it look like Tobi had an eye patch going across towards his left eye. Then again it could have been his eyebrow. but I doubt it. (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaMakDaddy ( talk • contribs)
In addition to the fact that Zetsu's black and half sides appear to differ in certain opinions, recent chapters works as evidence that they differ in knowledge, too, with the black side often filling in with information for the white side... Just something I thought should be noticed. 81.224.28.233 ( talk) 15:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
yes, i agree with you... the black side seems to have a knowledge regarding things that others don't normally know... —Preceding
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There is a statue of Susanoo outside konha temple in manga 314. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.47.88.22 ( talk) 16:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
On the Itachi section there's OR I'd like to point out, namely: His final and strongest (whether Susanoo's power exceeds the other ones' is debatable.) ability, Susanoo (須佐能乎, Susanoo?), acquired only after mastering Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, (pure speculation) creates a massive ethereal warrior that will fight on Itachi's behalf, and otherwise shields him from all attacks. Each ability is progressively more taxing for Itachi to use, such that after performing Susanoo he starts coughing up blood. (we do not know yet if that was because of Susanoo, or previously inflicted damage. Although I'm leaning towards the Susanoo-is-guilty explanation, I'd rather be safe and exclude possibly true information, than sorry and include straight-out incorrect one.)
Another thing worth pointing out is the fact that we currently have no information about Pain actually being the same person as Nagato. The fact that they have similar doctrines and philosophies does stand true, but it was also pointed out, even by Jiraiya himself, that none of the bodies is Nagato's. If erasing the information about Nagato being Pain is out of the question then it should at lest be mentioned that Nagato's real body has yet to make an appearance.
I'd also like to point out the fact that the first part of Tobi's section, the one dealing with his and Deidara's relationship, is written in presens instead of imperfect, this should be changed.
I suppose that's all I can come up with for the time being. Since I'm not the type to edit wiki-articles, I'll leave that up to you guys. Bye! 217.208.26.188 ( talk) 14:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Some white snakes escaped from Orochimaru's body when Itachi sealed him, so he may still be able to come back through them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.112.148 ( talk) 18:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Since Orochimaru was able to come back to life through Sasuke, then it's evident that he could do the same through Kabuto. Even though Itachi summon (a skeletor version of Gigantor) than that should really have it's own article. -PeanutButterMonger —Preceding
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If I read what you wrote right, the it should come to your attention that Orochimaru already has an article. Lastbetrayal ( talk) 00:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Uh... could you right that a little more clearly? Anyhow, Orochimaru's soul resided in Sasuke. Kabuto got a little bit of his corpse. I doubt that Orochimaru will completely resurrect himself from that. Kabuto may be destroyed, or he may not, but whatever is created from this will probably only be a shadow of Orochimaru's power, though maybe with some trace memories left over, if he absorbed any gray matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.140.194 ( talk) 13:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
In the Character section of Volume 41, Tobi is again there with the rest of the cast. However, unlike volume 40, which reffered him as Tobi, he is instead called Madara. Since he's called Madara in the character section of the manga, do you guys think we should refer Tobi as Madara on his section now? Or should we wait a bit longer? 66.220.242.162 ( talk) 18:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC) fantasyleader
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4316/madaramh7.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiuser6 ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
(3-23-08) I think that there should be a change because Oruchimaru is actualy a former Akatsuki member. Remember that the Akatsuki are after him and that Oruchimaru wants Naruto and his friends to kill as many members as they can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studmuffin60 ( talk • contribs) 05:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
That's ridiculous. We SEE the corpse-not breathing, moving, the eyes and mouth open- and Zetsu says he's dead...Zetsu is a spy who's job it is to make sure of this stuff and he's been observing the fight long enough. When Zetsu says Itachi is dead and we SEE the corpse, that's confirmation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.42.105 ( talk) 17:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Because in every other single shot of someone lying on the ground in this manga there are sounds or words to indicate breathing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.42.105 ( talk) 21:52, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
How does one pass out with their eyes open? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Red13utterfly ( talk • contribs) 12:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
i dont know how you can die with your eyes open but heck, if haku can die with his eyes open then i guess itachi can also! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.89.192 ( talk) 06:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
It's logic. By the way, the translation is 'Itachi's dead?!' and then shows Itachi's a corpse. Got it? Not moving or breathing. Zetsu says Sasuke is passed out, 'Sasuke won' and cries out that Itachi is dead. Deal with it. —Preceding
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Again, absurd. Zetsu doesn't say he passed out, he says he collapsed and then says "Itachi's Dead...." And we SEE THE BODY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.39.46 ( talk) 23:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
First Zetsu's one half says 'Itachi passed out...?' He takes a closer look: half 1: N-no way.. Half 2: You...don't think... Half 1: Itachi's dead?! Followed by a view of the corpse. Thank you, go away now.
Itachi is 100% percent dead. It has just been revealed by a confirmed and translated spoiler script for chapter 395.
跳びの横にゼツが出てくる! Zetsu appears right beside Tobi.
跳び[どうだった?] Tobi: Well?
ゼツ[終わったよ。] Zetsu: It's over.
佐倉[何あれ?] Sakura: Who's that?
ゼツ[刺すけの勝ち!イタチェは死亡。] Zetsu:Sasuke won. Itachi died.
Kishi sucks.-- Tommyss ( talk) 08:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Please reread that chapter because no where does Zetsu say Itachi passed out. He said "that...Itachi isn't dead. Chapter 394 page 3 and 4. Now I can't say Itachi is dead or if it was the real Itachi as Zetsu stated that "that" Itachi implying that it may not be the real guy. Also Itachi never said Sasuke passed out. Sasuke just fell. But by the way he lays there he seems dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.159.245.20 ( talk) 12:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
You're wrong, sorry. He yells 'Itachi's dead?!" and that's it. Want the picture of it or will you be quiet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.46.122 ( talk) 15:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
You don't have to be mean about what I said. but I gave you the page so you can look it up. if not it's the the last panel of page 3 and the full panel of Itachi's face page for. However in Chapter 395 it has been comformed by Zetsu to Tobi that he's dead. Just has Tobi said he predicted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.159.245.20 ( talk) 12:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
It's hard to tell when Tobi is serious or not. Dreadwins ( talk) 18:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
A translation of the script for chapter 397 states that not only is Itachi alive, but Nagato might not be a Path of Pain.
Could we make seperate paragraphs for the Info on the character and the events in the plot for the character please. It's very difficult sometimes to find the full plot (The character has). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.249.135 ( talk) 22:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
in the latest chapter, Tobi is shown to be able to use space/time ninjutsu. and kakashi even said it was even better then the Fourth's. i think we should put that in Tobi's info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 16:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
shouldn't itachi be put on the former members list now —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.216.112.137 ( talk) 22:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Until the real chapter that shows his death (not a spoiler) comes out can we call him dead -- Rofur ( talk) 02:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think he died, just maybe collapsed from overuse of the sharingan. March 27 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mangekyosharingan14 ( talk • contribs) 19:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
In chapter 396, Madara/Tobi tells Zetsu they "need to get Itachi's corpse", so that's pretty much confirming he's dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.26.133.248 ( talk) 15:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Will Kisame get a partner in the net chapter, or should that partnership info be changed to None, formerly Itachi Uchiha? Sasuke9031 ( talk) 00:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Zetsu's cries out in shock "Itachi's dead?!" And we cut to an image of Itachi's lifeless body...he's not moving, not breathing, his mouth and eyes are open, and to top it off, it starts pouring rain-if he ain't dead yet, he's drowning alright. Zetsu outright confirms it, though...and given that we see Itachi's unmoving, non breathing corpse...it's confirmed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.35.92 ( talk) 02:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
He's dead, fanboys, deal with it. JuJube ( talk) 11:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
itach is dead ppl. i know its hard for his fangirls but hey, dont complain to me. try telling mashi kishimoto that after he already published it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.89.192 ( talk) 06:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Chapter 396 has been released. Tobi has Sasuke, so maybe Sasuke will take his brother's place in Akatsuki? —Preceding
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My bad he is under former. It looked like it because under it it said former agents. By the way What is the differecnt between an agent and member —Preceding unsigned comment added by Studmuffin60 ( talk • contribs) 05:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Does somebody have a link or something to show these "discussions" where it was decided that Pain would be the spelling? Gune ( talk) 00:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
It would be obiusly be pain because mishi would'nt wanted the usa or europe to be offended be pein eg penis i know its dumb but pain is much more cooler..
For right now, I think the part about Itachi having died should be removed. He collapsed and certainly looks close to death, but until it's absolutely confirmed, it's just speculation. 24.131.8.253 ( talk) 13:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Itachi is dead as of chapter 393. Wiki360 ( talk) 07:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Please update the Akatsuki article since Uchiha Itachi deceased in chapter 393 ( http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-393/page001.html).
I still cannot understand why Itachi lost to his younger and definitely still weaker brother ... Kishi starts pissing me off. Tommyss ( talk) 10:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
It was never explicitly said that Itachi is dead. He simply collapsed. Until we get a more definitive confirmation, I say we just add a mention about him collapsing before he could take the eyes.60.52.123.220 (talk) 10:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC) I AGREE WITH THIS 100 % —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.56.108 ( talk) 21:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
The recent chapter pretty clearly says Itachi is dead...recent spoiler pics of 394 confirm it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.213.237 ( talk) 12:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
in the version that I read it just said that he was paralyzed and spoilers don't count they can be misleading so it shouldn't be said he is dead-- 71.218.196.182 ( talk) 02:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
The chapter is now out...Zetsu says Itachi is dead, and we're shown his corpse very clearly...lying there, not breathing, moving, and the eyes are even open. —Preceding
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Ok so Itachi is dead just like I said he was last week Wiki360 ( talk) 03:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Although I think it too soon to list him as such, it seems it’s been decided to list Itachi as dead. In that case, shouldn’t there be a (Deceased) description next to his age in the article?-- Halls452 ( talk) 23:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Although I disagree with Itachi being dead (how can you tell if a picture of a character is breathing or not?) his page needs to be cleaned up. His age for Part II was deleted when deceased was put in. Also, cant this argument simply be solved by writing (Assumed Deceased)... it would basically solve both parties' claims. 24.184.73.244 ( talk) 02:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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I agree, Itachi being dead is just a speculation for now.
Dreadwins ( talk) 09:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC) Yeah but neither of them are doctors :P - but to be more serious,. "Also, cant this argument simply be solved by writing (Assumed Deceased)... it would basically solve both parties' claims." seems like a good idea for now.
Well Itachi has been called a corpse by Madara who was standing right next to Itachi. So he's really dead... Dreadwins ( talk) 13:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
At the top of the article, it says Madara created Akatsuki and references "Page 5 of Volume 17, Chapter 143." Two problems: 1) Chapter 143 is in Volume 16, not 17. 2) There is nothing on that page that says anything about Madara Uchiha. I don't recall seeing anything about Madara creating Akatsuki. If he did, there needs to be a real reference. Jdlordhelmet ( talk) 22:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
No because know one would know he is the Leader in Secret Sasori was so rude to him he would'nt of been if he knew. Perry.H —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.73.118.96 ( talk) 19:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
We should put that they are deceased by the names of the Akatsuki that ARE dead. It saves people the trouble of having to read there info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.76.123 ( talk) 00:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The page is semi-protected, so I can't fix any spelling or grammar mistakes I find, so I thought I'd start a section in the talk page for errors, which hopefully someone else can fix for me.