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Akatsuki is not only from Naruto. Please fix to discuss other Akatsukis of note, (Battleships) or from other anime. (Cagalli Yuli Attha's Akatsuki from Gundam SEED Destiny)
Wouldn't Akatsuki (Naruto) be a better name for this page? -- JadziaLover 18:23, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
In his youth, Kishimoto lived near a military base, and many characters have the names of ships (hence Yamato, Kotetsu, Akatsuki and the like). -- Bloodstained Agar 10:57, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
About Kabuto, I believe it's a bit to early to add him here anyways in that description. The sound location and the rotation has nothing to do with Kabuto as a character. Everything could take a different turn the next chapter. -- Koopo 19:57, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know whether Orochimaru was replaced when he left? Given that there are only nine rings, it would make for ten or nine current and former members. -- Pentasyllabic 22:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
What is wrong with these passages?
Or,
sorry to pop your bubbles but in Itachi's article somewhere it states that Itachi fears Jiraiya. --Anon.
i agree my list of the strongest is:the leader,jiraya,itachi,orochimaru.
Is Kisame 31 during Naruto I or Naruto II?
Shouldn't it be changed to abilities for most of these people, since almost all of them have multiple abilities listed. I'm going to edit it, but if you disagree feel free to change it back since I am new here. -- Ninja6Fett 00:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Mostly I think I'll try to correct punctuation/grammar/spelling in the various articles, let me know if you disagree with what I edit. -- Ninja6Fett 00:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I would just add an s to the signature part
This is a fairly long article, and the vast bulk of it consists of character biographies. Have you guys considered splitting out the longer biographies like the one for Uchiha out to separate articles, or perhaps moving the biographies en masse to a List of Akatsuki members article? -- maru (talk) contribs 05:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this before, but upon close inspection of chapter 254 page 15, the leader seems to have the sharingan. If this is true, it discredits the idea that it is the Yondaime Hokage. This also makes more sense concerning Itachi's statement that if Sasuke learned the Mangekyō Sharingan the number of people able to do it would be 3 (4 now with Kakashi).
(To post below this one) True that many shots of his eyes have no sharingan, but sharingan is not visible until the user activates it. The leader may have one, but he is just not showing it.
I dont recall any official source stating that Akatsuki is using the Bijyuu to make themselves Jinchuuriki...isn't this all speculation? I thought their reason for hunting the 9 demons was unknown.-- Master Shan 06:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
remember you dont have to b an uchia to have ms
Woah, what happened, there is a lot of speculation and not hard facts put int othis article, like the super ninja Itachi wants to create and the trivia about the Akatsuki Leader.
Can this be changed?-- Ninja6Fett 04:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I deleted some of it. Never say things like "ALL fans believe" because someone won't.-- Ninja6Fett 04:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
It says this article needs to be copy edited. I've read it and there are as far as I can tell no errors, so can someone remove the tag? I went ahead and removed the tag for you. Danmeister 21:19 3 May 2006 (UTC)
some one is not beleiving me when i say the akatsuki leader is the 4th hokage!
shut up!
That's because 4th Hokage is proven to be DEAD! -Grrblt
That theory makes absolutely no sense. Why would the fourth hokage, a man who risked (and probably lost) his life to stop kyuubi, to defend his country, turn evil, start a group of likeminded people, and start ripping the bijyuu out of people, when he himself sealed a bijyuu into someone! Why would he create naruto, then sit around waiting a few years to come back and try and rip it out! The notion is simply proposterous. If anything, Yondaime Hokage was reverted back to an infantile form of himself in Naruto, which explains why he was able to learn S-Rank jutsus so easily (Especially Rasengan, a particularly difficult jutsu to use). Even if you dont buy the infantile reverting theory, you could always call it a reincarnation, or something to that effect. SlaserX 18:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
You know, the leader's silloute looks a lot like Shino's dad.
4th=leader if not then why would he seal a demon in his son if not to use its power?!?!?!-- 71.199.154.43 16:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)fourth
i figured out that the leader has blonde hair because of a flash back hte old akatsuki leader and the future akatsuki leader clash and the old one gets defeated in a SECOND.-- 71.199.154.43 12:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)the fourth
Whoever is editing the section with theories, you should stop, especially with your 4th hokage=Akatsuki leader. I personately believe so, but you should say it's a theory, not blurt it out that it's the truth. Plus stop posting your theory in trivia for Zetsu and not saying it's a theory, it's really really annoying.
i think the akatsuki leader=yondaime hokage(4th hokage)but don't post it.
i put maybe but some one earased it and the leader is a nukenin(missing ninja) but some idiot earased that too!
do you mean who did it?
how do you guys know blood types and registration numbers for the characters?!?!?
yeah, how do you know?
Ok, so there's been a lot of bitching with people changing the order of the member list on the lower part of the page. The members (except Deidara) are forming a circle, like this:
Itachi Sasori Giant Unknown Kisame Zetsu Unknown Leader Seen from here
Starting with Kisame, the correct order is: Kisame (identified by sword), Unknown (Giant), Itachi (identified by hairdo), Sasori (identified by hairdo and height), Unknown, Zetsu (identified by weird thing covering his head), Leader (identified by hairdo), Unknown.
Since so many are editing this entry, probably due to lack of understanding the picture, do you think maybe I should try another way completely? Add numbers to the picture or perhaps list them simply from left to right? The latter option provides some difficulty with where to mention Deidara though. I'm changing the list back to the proper order for now, but I need some ideas on this one. Grrblt 20:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the facts and theories need to be under seperate headings. For each character put your theories under a theory heading and then talk about it, rather than mixing the two —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.56.40.51 ( talk • contribs) 13:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
i agree-- Geterdone 19:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
It seems odd that only Uchiha Itachi has an animated profile image. There are several available animated images, that could be applied to the remaining member of the Akatsuki organization. Pingu 13:27, 10 April 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.202.2.242 ( talk • contribs) 20:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
How can you say that Deidara is not honorable? Because he used a good tactic against Gaara? Then Gaara is huge coward and even more not honorable since he fighted using Shukaku's powers in the middle of the desert! Start thinking people, fights are about winning not loosing in a honorable way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.24.205.122 ( talk • contribs) 11:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
And I was explaining that it was a stupid argument, as it WAS a dirty tactic.Maybe if you had more brain-cells you'd realise it-- Master Shan 00:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or is this page in need of a major overhaul? Most of the Bios are pure fan-speculation. Obito is Tobi because their names are similar? Its Wikipedia, not Narutofan.
Also would anyone be against adding a status section to each characters stat to say if they active or deceased? I'll do one big change and if anyone has any issues discuss it here and I'll revert it if need be or revert what you don't like.
Additionally, some of them, especially Itachi and Sasori should probably have their own pages and the Akatsuki article kept mostly to Akatsuki related activities. Darkwarriorblake 20:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think there's any problem with the speculation, provided it's phrased correctly. For example, Tobi's bio says "Many fans believe that Tobi is Obito." This is fact, because many fans DO believe that Tobi is Obito (Ie the fact that many fans believe it is true, though Tboi=Obito may not be true itself). If it said "Tobi may be Obito" then that's bad phrasing, but i don't think mentioning speculation is necessarily a bad thing. Phoenix1985 10:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Since the ring thing has started to be elaborated upon on the main page, I decided to make this to further elaborate on it. I'm not saying it should be added to the page, but just that it's nice to understand where each member belongs. I also made this a while back to help myself understand the order that the members of Akatsuki are standing in at the end of Part 1. Geg 23:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I think Hidan and Kakazu are switched here. In the manga the character with the forehead protector around his neck has a line that goes "Hey Hidan, this girl is the two-tailed jinchuuriki", I believe that would make Kakazu and the guy with the wierd eyes Hidan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.150.232.42 ( talk • contribs) 04:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
well the scanlation i acquired was from narutofan.com, so that's why i'm pretty certain it's the accurate one. naruto fan is the leading fansite for naruto. that's why i revised the info on those two. Renegade78
I remember when this first happened in the manga, and Kakashi said something like, "What's wrong? Are your eyes getting weak?" or something, to which Itachi just sorta smirked and shook his head. Fans began to speculation that he was damaging his eyes and all that...
But, um, a few chapters later, wasn't it also revealed that it wasn't Itachi's real body, and because of it, his abilities were limited? I kinda figured that that's probably the reason that his sharingan was less useful than usual. :/ WtW-Suzaku 08:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
No, you'll have to re-read the chapter. What Kakashi say's before the fight ever starts is something to the effect of "So..how far has your eyesight deteriorated?" to which Itachi responds with a somewhat shocked and bemused expression. This was all ::though I cant remember how:: said in the context of the MS btw, not the normal Sharingan. Nothing is confirmed, but it was definately a blatant implication that overuse, or perhaps simply use, of the MS deteriorates normal eyesight over time.-- Master Shan 10:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Why do we even have the anime's akatsuki meeting picture up? The manga one is far better looking, allows the shilouttes to be far more easily defined, and is the orginal source considering its what kishimoto drew. I'd replace it now but I figure I'd meet alot of resistance and start a little flame war if I did. However, what do you all think? It was chapter 238, page 18&19 for those who want to look at it, and it just looks better in every form you can bring up. Midusunknown 01:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
It's really cool that within minutes of the raw's being put online people had info on hidan and kakuzu...however, I think people are really jumping the gun alot with speculations. Maybe we all should wait for higher quality, more respectable translation to come out before posting certain statements that base around a single scantalation groups translation. Or better yet, maybe we should wait a week for more revealing information to come out. Having the names and pic's are fine, they likely wont change, but saying things about hidan's speed and how he uses his weapon and jutsu's is just making this more like a forum of speculation and guesses, rather than an encyclopedia. Midusunknown 01:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
When was it confirmed that he's from the Grass village? I don't recall ever seeing a forehead protector on him anywhere and I don't think he's had a profile in either of the official databooks. Geg 18:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
When do you guys think Sasuke will be ready to take on Itachi and go head-to-head? I don't expect you guys to know when they WILL fight, just looking for your opinion... - sasuke-kun27 22:37, 24 June 2006
Sauske himself says he wouldnt be able to compete with Itachi until after Orochimaru had taken control of his body, so a good bet is anything after 3 months from now in universe. That said this is a discussion page on the article Akatsuki (Naruto) not a talk forum.-- Master Shan 08:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
soon becaus i have read the manga -- 71.199.154.43 12:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
This article talks as if its fact that akatsuki was originally 10 members before Orochimaru left. Are we sure that he wasn't just replaced? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.8.44.172 ( talk • contribs) 02:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
A few anons have been placing new talking points on top. While most others have been placed at the bottom. Are there any objections to me moving Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)#Was Akatsuki proven to be originally 10 members? and Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)#Fact vs Theory to their correct chronological ordering? -- Pedantic79 ( talk) 03:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
In the piece about Deidara it says he is given a deep voice in the anime. I am wondering if anyone knows what episode this is as I dont believe the anime has even reached the kakashi gaiden let alone the gaara retrival arc, which is when deidara is introduced, I believe.
I'm not very well versed on Wikipedia internal workings but is there any way to request registered user only editing on this article? It's taking a great deal of effort from many people to repeatedly remove baseless speculation that is continuously added to this article and others, especially "Yondaime is the leader, Obito is Tobi, KIsame can breathe underwater because he looks like a shark".
Registered users won't save this article, I've seen at least 3 in the last day add speculation, but it might slow down the rate at which it is occuring. Darkwarriorblake 11:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it would help much, I do think it could stand to have a rumours section though. Normally I wouldn't suggest a romour section as we're really trying to provide proven information but if people insist on adding things like the rumours about who the leader is at least there would be a dedicated section to keep it seperate from the facts. - Doc711
There needs to be some consistency on this. If episode 135 is going to be used as an appearance, every single member needs to be marked as first appearing then (save for those appearing earlier, of course). If not, none should mention it. – Someguy0830 ( Talk | contribs) 19:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Maybe someone should add that Itachi can cast genjustu w/ the use of a finger/ring as demonstrated in manga chapter 259 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.155.105.104 ( talk • contribs) 02:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
nah -- Geterdone 20:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I thought the point of a wiki was to improve the cohesiveness of articles. Earlier today the Hidan article was changed from this http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29&oldid=61215347 to this http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29&oldid=61239619 I believe this changed helped organize subject matter in a more coherent article. This was subsequently improved upon by others in series of three or four updates, just to have someone completeling revert it to the link above. Though slowly it seems to be taking on the shape of the initial change I just found it annoying that somebody was perhaps upset that someone changed their work and reverted everything omitting things like the trivia section, and the link to Kakuzu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Obf213 ( talk • contribs) 0:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure they only have three bijū and one Jinchūriki at the moment. The map shows the areas that Hidan and Kakuzu have been searching for their assigned Jinchūriki not the location of all the Jinchūriki. When they say that the Fire Country is the last one, they are talking about their second Jinchūriki. That's the last place they need to search for it. The wouldn't be going after Naruto as he's assigned to Itachi. I really don't think that they could get that many Jinchūriki in a few weeks. Nemu 22:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
They would be checking off places that they've checked. They also say that they must be thorough in their search. If it was Naruto, they wouldn't say that as they know he's located there. The way they say it is that they have no idea where the Jinchūriki they're seaching for is located. I don't really know what the "last one" comment is meant to say, but I would guess that she was with a group or something and that she was just the last one. That's where the "you're not so bad" comment could come from meaning that the rest of the group was weak. Nemu 23:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Taking a second look, I'm further convinced my original theory is correct. Take a look at the Biju map. Notice the fact that both the Land of the Rice Fields and the Land of Thunder have not one, but two checks within them, and there are three other checks on top of that. Given that we know the Land of Wind has had its biju taken, that would mean eight checks. Clearly, they are not just checking off countries. – Someguy0830 ( Talk | contribs) 23:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe those are the different ninja villages(or major villages) that they have searched. I really think if they were after Naruto that they wouldn't have to "search thoroughly". Also, why would they have a map of all the Biju that have been captured when it is one assigned to each person? They don't deal with the other member's Jinchūriki unless they are close like Naruto was at the time. They would also make a bigger deal if there was one left. Nemu 03:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
You make it seem like there is any comfirmation that more than just those to are heading to the Fire Country. Also, the fact that they say fire country rather than the Leaf Village would add to the X's being villiges that they've scouted. When they are talking, they refer to the Jinchūriki as theirs. They wouldn't do this if it was Naruto. They say "we have one more to take care of" which should mean their second one. Nemu 04:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
If they are checking the countries for their two Biju, why should they mark the Fire Country off? They don't know where they are located so they have to check each ninja village(that's where all of them will be located). If they're checking for theirs, they aren't going to mark of Naruto. They wouldn't be sending them on wild goose chases. They need to check each village for the Biju because the villages hide the fact that they have them, so it's hard to find them. Nemu 21:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
It makes far more sense that they are approaching completion than that they are conducting a random search for biju from village to village. Keep in mind the amount of territory they have to cover and the fact that the Hiden Villages seem to know ::as evidenced by the nibi:: that akatsuki is hunting them. This means that the biju are far less likly to be predictably located. Knowing this Akatsuki would likly look elsewhere than JUST one or two Hidden Villages per country and their "search" map would be far more extensively marked. Given the map and the context of the dialoug it's safe to assume that Naruto's the last man standing. Only time will tell.-- Master Shan 00:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
A lot of vandalism occurred from 70.101.7.245. There were a bunch of lost conversations as people were reverting some of the changes and not others. I have gone through and compared the current version to [1] and retrieved the conversations from that revision. The sections I retrieved or reversed vandalism in were Disambiguations, Kabuto, Nine or ten members?, Uchiha Itachi, Splitting out sections, Major Revisions..., THE AKATSUKI LEADER, Kakashi's Eyesight... going bad?. -- Pedantic79 ( talk) 05:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
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Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | → | Archive 5 |
Akatsuki is not only from Naruto. Please fix to discuss other Akatsukis of note, (Battleships) or from other anime. (Cagalli Yuli Attha's Akatsuki from Gundam SEED Destiny)
Wouldn't Akatsuki (Naruto) be a better name for this page? -- JadziaLover 18:23, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
In his youth, Kishimoto lived near a military base, and many characters have the names of ships (hence Yamato, Kotetsu, Akatsuki and the like). -- Bloodstained Agar 10:57, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
About Kabuto, I believe it's a bit to early to add him here anyways in that description. The sound location and the rotation has nothing to do with Kabuto as a character. Everything could take a different turn the next chapter. -- Koopo 19:57, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know whether Orochimaru was replaced when he left? Given that there are only nine rings, it would make for ten or nine current and former members. -- Pentasyllabic 22:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
What is wrong with these passages?
Or,
sorry to pop your bubbles but in Itachi's article somewhere it states that Itachi fears Jiraiya. --Anon.
i agree my list of the strongest is:the leader,jiraya,itachi,orochimaru.
Is Kisame 31 during Naruto I or Naruto II?
Shouldn't it be changed to abilities for most of these people, since almost all of them have multiple abilities listed. I'm going to edit it, but if you disagree feel free to change it back since I am new here. -- Ninja6Fett 00:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Mostly I think I'll try to correct punctuation/grammar/spelling in the various articles, let me know if you disagree with what I edit. -- Ninja6Fett 00:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I would just add an s to the signature part
This is a fairly long article, and the vast bulk of it consists of character biographies. Have you guys considered splitting out the longer biographies like the one for Uchiha out to separate articles, or perhaps moving the biographies en masse to a List of Akatsuki members article? -- maru (talk) contribs 05:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this before, but upon close inspection of chapter 254 page 15, the leader seems to have the sharingan. If this is true, it discredits the idea that it is the Yondaime Hokage. This also makes more sense concerning Itachi's statement that if Sasuke learned the Mangekyō Sharingan the number of people able to do it would be 3 (4 now with Kakashi).
(To post below this one) True that many shots of his eyes have no sharingan, but sharingan is not visible until the user activates it. The leader may have one, but he is just not showing it.
I dont recall any official source stating that Akatsuki is using the Bijyuu to make themselves Jinchuuriki...isn't this all speculation? I thought their reason for hunting the 9 demons was unknown.-- Master Shan 06:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
remember you dont have to b an uchia to have ms
Woah, what happened, there is a lot of speculation and not hard facts put int othis article, like the super ninja Itachi wants to create and the trivia about the Akatsuki Leader.
Can this be changed?-- Ninja6Fett 04:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I deleted some of it. Never say things like "ALL fans believe" because someone won't.-- Ninja6Fett 04:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
It says this article needs to be copy edited. I've read it and there are as far as I can tell no errors, so can someone remove the tag? I went ahead and removed the tag for you. Danmeister 21:19 3 May 2006 (UTC)
some one is not beleiving me when i say the akatsuki leader is the 4th hokage!
shut up!
That's because 4th Hokage is proven to be DEAD! -Grrblt
That theory makes absolutely no sense. Why would the fourth hokage, a man who risked (and probably lost) his life to stop kyuubi, to defend his country, turn evil, start a group of likeminded people, and start ripping the bijyuu out of people, when he himself sealed a bijyuu into someone! Why would he create naruto, then sit around waiting a few years to come back and try and rip it out! The notion is simply proposterous. If anything, Yondaime Hokage was reverted back to an infantile form of himself in Naruto, which explains why he was able to learn S-Rank jutsus so easily (Especially Rasengan, a particularly difficult jutsu to use). Even if you dont buy the infantile reverting theory, you could always call it a reincarnation, or something to that effect. SlaserX 18:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
You know, the leader's silloute looks a lot like Shino's dad.
4th=leader if not then why would he seal a demon in his son if not to use its power?!?!?!-- 71.199.154.43 16:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)fourth
i figured out that the leader has blonde hair because of a flash back hte old akatsuki leader and the future akatsuki leader clash and the old one gets defeated in a SECOND.-- 71.199.154.43 12:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)the fourth
Whoever is editing the section with theories, you should stop, especially with your 4th hokage=Akatsuki leader. I personately believe so, but you should say it's a theory, not blurt it out that it's the truth. Plus stop posting your theory in trivia for Zetsu and not saying it's a theory, it's really really annoying.
i think the akatsuki leader=yondaime hokage(4th hokage)but don't post it.
i put maybe but some one earased it and the leader is a nukenin(missing ninja) but some idiot earased that too!
do you mean who did it?
how do you guys know blood types and registration numbers for the characters?!?!?
yeah, how do you know?
Ok, so there's been a lot of bitching with people changing the order of the member list on the lower part of the page. The members (except Deidara) are forming a circle, like this:
Itachi Sasori Giant Unknown Kisame Zetsu Unknown Leader Seen from here
Starting with Kisame, the correct order is: Kisame (identified by sword), Unknown (Giant), Itachi (identified by hairdo), Sasori (identified by hairdo and height), Unknown, Zetsu (identified by weird thing covering his head), Leader (identified by hairdo), Unknown.
Since so many are editing this entry, probably due to lack of understanding the picture, do you think maybe I should try another way completely? Add numbers to the picture or perhaps list them simply from left to right? The latter option provides some difficulty with where to mention Deidara though. I'm changing the list back to the proper order for now, but I need some ideas on this one. Grrblt 20:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the facts and theories need to be under seperate headings. For each character put your theories under a theory heading and then talk about it, rather than mixing the two —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.56.40.51 ( talk • contribs) 13:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
i agree-- Geterdone 19:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
It seems odd that only Uchiha Itachi has an animated profile image. There are several available animated images, that could be applied to the remaining member of the Akatsuki organization. Pingu 13:27, 10 April 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.202.2.242 ( talk • contribs) 20:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
How can you say that Deidara is not honorable? Because he used a good tactic against Gaara? Then Gaara is huge coward and even more not honorable since he fighted using Shukaku's powers in the middle of the desert! Start thinking people, fights are about winning not loosing in a honorable way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.24.205.122 ( talk • contribs) 11:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
And I was explaining that it was a stupid argument, as it WAS a dirty tactic.Maybe if you had more brain-cells you'd realise it-- Master Shan 00:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Is it just me or is this page in need of a major overhaul? Most of the Bios are pure fan-speculation. Obito is Tobi because their names are similar? Its Wikipedia, not Narutofan.
Also would anyone be against adding a status section to each characters stat to say if they active or deceased? I'll do one big change and if anyone has any issues discuss it here and I'll revert it if need be or revert what you don't like.
Additionally, some of them, especially Itachi and Sasori should probably have their own pages and the Akatsuki article kept mostly to Akatsuki related activities. Darkwarriorblake 20:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think there's any problem with the speculation, provided it's phrased correctly. For example, Tobi's bio says "Many fans believe that Tobi is Obito." This is fact, because many fans DO believe that Tobi is Obito (Ie the fact that many fans believe it is true, though Tboi=Obito may not be true itself). If it said "Tobi may be Obito" then that's bad phrasing, but i don't think mentioning speculation is necessarily a bad thing. Phoenix1985 10:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Since the ring thing has started to be elaborated upon on the main page, I decided to make this to further elaborate on it. I'm not saying it should be added to the page, but just that it's nice to understand where each member belongs. I also made this a while back to help myself understand the order that the members of Akatsuki are standing in at the end of Part 1. Geg 23:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I think Hidan and Kakazu are switched here. In the manga the character with the forehead protector around his neck has a line that goes "Hey Hidan, this girl is the two-tailed jinchuuriki", I believe that would make Kakazu and the guy with the wierd eyes Hidan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.150.232.42 ( talk • contribs) 04:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
well the scanlation i acquired was from narutofan.com, so that's why i'm pretty certain it's the accurate one. naruto fan is the leading fansite for naruto. that's why i revised the info on those two. Renegade78
I remember when this first happened in the manga, and Kakashi said something like, "What's wrong? Are your eyes getting weak?" or something, to which Itachi just sorta smirked and shook his head. Fans began to speculation that he was damaging his eyes and all that...
But, um, a few chapters later, wasn't it also revealed that it wasn't Itachi's real body, and because of it, his abilities were limited? I kinda figured that that's probably the reason that his sharingan was less useful than usual. :/ WtW-Suzaku 08:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
No, you'll have to re-read the chapter. What Kakashi say's before the fight ever starts is something to the effect of "So..how far has your eyesight deteriorated?" to which Itachi responds with a somewhat shocked and bemused expression. This was all ::though I cant remember how:: said in the context of the MS btw, not the normal Sharingan. Nothing is confirmed, but it was definately a blatant implication that overuse, or perhaps simply use, of the MS deteriorates normal eyesight over time.-- Master Shan 10:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Why do we even have the anime's akatsuki meeting picture up? The manga one is far better looking, allows the shilouttes to be far more easily defined, and is the orginal source considering its what kishimoto drew. I'd replace it now but I figure I'd meet alot of resistance and start a little flame war if I did. However, what do you all think? It was chapter 238, page 18&19 for those who want to look at it, and it just looks better in every form you can bring up. Midusunknown 01:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
It's really cool that within minutes of the raw's being put online people had info on hidan and kakuzu...however, I think people are really jumping the gun alot with speculations. Maybe we all should wait for higher quality, more respectable translation to come out before posting certain statements that base around a single scantalation groups translation. Or better yet, maybe we should wait a week for more revealing information to come out. Having the names and pic's are fine, they likely wont change, but saying things about hidan's speed and how he uses his weapon and jutsu's is just making this more like a forum of speculation and guesses, rather than an encyclopedia. Midusunknown 01:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
When was it confirmed that he's from the Grass village? I don't recall ever seeing a forehead protector on him anywhere and I don't think he's had a profile in either of the official databooks. Geg 18:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
When do you guys think Sasuke will be ready to take on Itachi and go head-to-head? I don't expect you guys to know when they WILL fight, just looking for your opinion... - sasuke-kun27 22:37, 24 June 2006
Sauske himself says he wouldnt be able to compete with Itachi until after Orochimaru had taken control of his body, so a good bet is anything after 3 months from now in universe. That said this is a discussion page on the article Akatsuki (Naruto) not a talk forum.-- Master Shan 08:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
soon becaus i have read the manga -- 71.199.154.43 12:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
This article talks as if its fact that akatsuki was originally 10 members before Orochimaru left. Are we sure that he wasn't just replaced? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.8.44.172 ( talk • contribs) 02:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
A few anons have been placing new talking points on top. While most others have been placed at the bottom. Are there any objections to me moving Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)#Was Akatsuki proven to be originally 10 members? and Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)#Fact vs Theory to their correct chronological ordering? -- Pedantic79 ( talk) 03:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
In the piece about Deidara it says he is given a deep voice in the anime. I am wondering if anyone knows what episode this is as I dont believe the anime has even reached the kakashi gaiden let alone the gaara retrival arc, which is when deidara is introduced, I believe.
I'm not very well versed on Wikipedia internal workings but is there any way to request registered user only editing on this article? It's taking a great deal of effort from many people to repeatedly remove baseless speculation that is continuously added to this article and others, especially "Yondaime is the leader, Obito is Tobi, KIsame can breathe underwater because he looks like a shark".
Registered users won't save this article, I've seen at least 3 in the last day add speculation, but it might slow down the rate at which it is occuring. Darkwarriorblake 11:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it would help much, I do think it could stand to have a rumours section though. Normally I wouldn't suggest a romour section as we're really trying to provide proven information but if people insist on adding things like the rumours about who the leader is at least there would be a dedicated section to keep it seperate from the facts. - Doc711
There needs to be some consistency on this. If episode 135 is going to be used as an appearance, every single member needs to be marked as first appearing then (save for those appearing earlier, of course). If not, none should mention it. – Someguy0830 ( Talk | contribs) 19:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Maybe someone should add that Itachi can cast genjustu w/ the use of a finger/ring as demonstrated in manga chapter 259 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.155.105.104 ( talk • contribs) 02:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
nah -- Geterdone 20:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I thought the point of a wiki was to improve the cohesiveness of articles. Earlier today the Hidan article was changed from this http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29&oldid=61215347 to this http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29&oldid=61239619 I believe this changed helped organize subject matter in a more coherent article. This was subsequently improved upon by others in series of three or four updates, just to have someone completeling revert it to the link above. Though slowly it seems to be taking on the shape of the initial change I just found it annoying that somebody was perhaps upset that someone changed their work and reverted everything omitting things like the trivia section, and the link to Kakuzu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Obf213 ( talk • contribs) 0:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure they only have three bijū and one Jinchūriki at the moment. The map shows the areas that Hidan and Kakuzu have been searching for their assigned Jinchūriki not the location of all the Jinchūriki. When they say that the Fire Country is the last one, they are talking about their second Jinchūriki. That's the last place they need to search for it. The wouldn't be going after Naruto as he's assigned to Itachi. I really don't think that they could get that many Jinchūriki in a few weeks. Nemu 22:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
They would be checking off places that they've checked. They also say that they must be thorough in their search. If it was Naruto, they wouldn't say that as they know he's located there. The way they say it is that they have no idea where the Jinchūriki they're seaching for is located. I don't really know what the "last one" comment is meant to say, but I would guess that she was with a group or something and that she was just the last one. That's where the "you're not so bad" comment could come from meaning that the rest of the group was weak. Nemu 23:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Taking a second look, I'm further convinced my original theory is correct. Take a look at the Biju map. Notice the fact that both the Land of the Rice Fields and the Land of Thunder have not one, but two checks within them, and there are three other checks on top of that. Given that we know the Land of Wind has had its biju taken, that would mean eight checks. Clearly, they are not just checking off countries. – Someguy0830 ( Talk | contribs) 23:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe those are the different ninja villages(or major villages) that they have searched. I really think if they were after Naruto that they wouldn't have to "search thoroughly". Also, why would they have a map of all the Biju that have been captured when it is one assigned to each person? They don't deal with the other member's Jinchūriki unless they are close like Naruto was at the time. They would also make a bigger deal if there was one left. Nemu 03:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
You make it seem like there is any comfirmation that more than just those to are heading to the Fire Country. Also, the fact that they say fire country rather than the Leaf Village would add to the X's being villiges that they've scouted. When they are talking, they refer to the Jinchūriki as theirs. They wouldn't do this if it was Naruto. They say "we have one more to take care of" which should mean their second one. Nemu 04:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
If they are checking the countries for their two Biju, why should they mark the Fire Country off? They don't know where they are located so they have to check each ninja village(that's where all of them will be located). If they're checking for theirs, they aren't going to mark of Naruto. They wouldn't be sending them on wild goose chases. They need to check each village for the Biju because the villages hide the fact that they have them, so it's hard to find them. Nemu 21:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
It makes far more sense that they are approaching completion than that they are conducting a random search for biju from village to village. Keep in mind the amount of territory they have to cover and the fact that the Hiden Villages seem to know ::as evidenced by the nibi:: that akatsuki is hunting them. This means that the biju are far less likly to be predictably located. Knowing this Akatsuki would likly look elsewhere than JUST one or two Hidden Villages per country and their "search" map would be far more extensively marked. Given the map and the context of the dialoug it's safe to assume that Naruto's the last man standing. Only time will tell.-- Master Shan 00:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
A lot of vandalism occurred from 70.101.7.245. There were a bunch of lost conversations as people were reverting some of the changes and not others. I have gone through and compared the current version to [1] and retrieved the conversations from that revision. The sections I retrieved or reversed vandalism in were Disambiguations, Kabuto, Nine or ten members?, Uchiha Itachi, Splitting out sections, Major Revisions..., THE AKATSUKI LEADER, Kakashi's Eyesight... going bad?. -- Pedantic79 ( talk) 05:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)