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Sahih Bukhari is among the most adhered hadith collection in the Islamic world. It states that, her marriage was consummated at such age when she still played with dolls. [1] In the commentary of the Sahih Bukhari it is written that, "Playing with dolls is forbidden in Islam, but it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she did not yet reach the age of puberty." [2]
Can this part be added in the article? Does this part violates any WikiPedia policy? Kawrno Baba ( talk) 07:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Narrated `Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13) (Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 6130. In-book reference: Book 78, Hadith 157. USC-MSA web (English) reference: Vol. 8, Book 73, Hadith 151.)Is this explained more fully in Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13? If it is, please can we have a translated quotation that is long enough for an educated person without specialised knowledge to understand that this is what is meant.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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Islamic sources of the classical era list Aisha's age at the time of her marriage as six or seven and nine or ten at its consummation. In a hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari, Aisha recollects having been married at six years of age. [5] Ibn Sa'd's biography holds her age at the time of marriage as between six and seven, and gives her age at consummation to be nine while Ibn Hisham's biography of Muhammad suggests she may have been ten years old at consummation. [6] Al-Tabari notes Aisha to have stayed with her parents after the marriage and consummated the relationship at nine years of age since she was young and sexually immature at the time of marriage; however, elsewhere Tabari appears to suggest that she was born during the Jahiliyyah (before 610 C.E), which would translate to an age of about twelve or more at marriage. [7] [8] | Islamic sources of the classical era list Aisha's age at the time of her marriage as six or seven and nine or ten at its consummation. In a hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari, Aisha recollects having been married at six years of age. [5] Ibn Sa'd's biography holds her age at the time of marriage as between six and seven, and gives her age at consummation to be nine while Ibn Hisham's biography of Muhammad suggests she may have been ten years old at consummation. [6] Sahih Bukhari states that her marriage was consummated at such age when she still played with dolls. [9] [a] In the commentary of the Sahih Bukhari it is written that, "Playing with dolls is forbidden in Islam, but it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she did not yet reach the age of puberty." [19] Al-Tabari notes Aisha to have stayed with her parents after the marriage and consummated the relationship at nine years of age since she was young and sexually immature at the time of marriage; however, elsewhere Tabari appears to suggest that she was born during the Jahiliyyah (before 610 C.E), which would translate to an age of about twelve or more at marriage. [7] [8] |
Note that Kawrno Baba's proposed new version has two undefined citation names in the bundled footnote: <ref name="Watt-encyc-online" /> and <ref name="Spellberg" />. I assume that this because some of the text was adapted from another Wikipedia article.
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Kawrno Baba: that kind of bundling of references inside a footnote is not an acceptable style. It is better to have the citations in the text: Sahih Bukhari states that her marriage was consummated at such age when she still played with dolls.[7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16]
Also, if you copy from another Wikipedia page, please could you state this in the edit summary, and check that your edit includes definitions of the named citations you are moving. --
Toddy1
(talk) 08:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Sahih Bukhari states that her marriage was consummated at such age when she still played with dolls.[7][a]The "[a]" is the bundled footnote. If you look at the markup language in your edit, [1] there is a bit that starts
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. That is the start of the bundled footnote. You can see what it looks like in the note section below.--
Toddy1
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@ Kawrno Baba: My guess is that most of the new citations do not actually support the sentences they are cited for, but instead support the generally accepted position about Aisha's age on marriage. i.e. most of them are probably irrelevant to the sentences they are placed next to. -- Toddy1 (talk) 08:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
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was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Spellberg
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Evidence that the Prophet waited for Aisha to reach physical maturity before consummation comes from al-Ṭabarī, who says she was too young for intercourse at the time of the marriage contract;
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You didn't understood on the Hadith the hadith 5134 says Ayisha`s nuptial was done at the age of 6 and married at the age of 9 " you misunderstood in the nuptial and marriage nuptial is the agreement for marriage not marriage check the hadith in sahi bukhari 5134 37.111.176.141 ( talk) 01:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Sahih Bukhari صحیح بخاری Hadith # 5134
Translation: Narrated Aisha (RA) : that the Prophet ﷺ married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that Aisha (RA) remained with the Prophet ﷺ for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart). Here the first marriage mean agreement for the marriage ( nuptial) at age of 6 which all non muslims considered this that Ayesha was at the age of 6 when the prophet marry her if you read the complete hadith it is cleared that the prophet met with her at the age of 9 and not 6 Basamshah ( talk) 01:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Sahih Bukhari صحیح بخاری Hadith # 5134
Translation: Narrated Aisha (RA) : that the Prophet ﷺ married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that Aisha (RA) remained with the Prophet ﷺ for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart). Here is the complete hadith in this Hadith the first marriage doesn't mean that the prophet met ( intercourse) with Ayesha at the age of 6 this marriage mean the marriage agreement ( nuptials) at the end the Hadith clarifies that the prophet met ( intercourse ) wit Ayesha at the age of 9. Basamshah ( talk) 01:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Sahih Bukhari صحیح بخاری Hadith # 5134
Translation: Narrated Aisha (RA) : that the Prophet ﷺ married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that Aisha (RA) remained with the Prophet ﷺ for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart). The first marriage mean a marriage agreement ( nuptial) at the age of 6 years at the end the hadith clarifies that the prophet consummated (intercourse) with her at the age of 9 years. Basamshah ( talk) 02:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
All material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Articles must not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that reaches or implies a conclusion not clearly stated by the sources themselves.So you cannot use a source that says that he "married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old" to support a statement that he married her when she was nine.
A lot has been said about Aisha's age when marrying the Prophet Muhammad, Whether she was 6, 9, or 16, when she was first betrothed and married. Prophet Michael, God's Disciple ( talk) 01:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
i don't see any sources for aisha being born in 614 in the article 197.48.252.182 ( talk) 07:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Sahih Bukhari is among the most adhered hadith collection in the Islamic world. It states that, her marriage was consummated at such age when she still played with dolls. [1] In the commentary of the Sahih Bukhari it is written that, "Playing with dolls is forbidden in Islam, but it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she did not yet reach the age of puberty." [2]
Can this part be added in the article? Does this part violates any WikiPedia policy? Kawrno Baba ( talk) 07:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Narrated `Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13) (Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 6130. In-book reference: Book 78, Hadith 157. USC-MSA web (English) reference: Vol. 8, Book 73, Hadith 151.)Is this explained more fully in Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13? If it is, please can we have a translated quotation that is long enough for an educated person without specialised knowledge to understand that this is what is meant.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Previous version | Kawrno Baba's proposed new version |
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Islamic sources of the classical era list Aisha's age at the time of her marriage as six or seven and nine or ten at its consummation. In a hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari, Aisha recollects having been married at six years of age. [5] Ibn Sa'd's biography holds her age at the time of marriage as between six and seven, and gives her age at consummation to be nine while Ibn Hisham's biography of Muhammad suggests she may have been ten years old at consummation. [6] Al-Tabari notes Aisha to have stayed with her parents after the marriage and consummated the relationship at nine years of age since she was young and sexually immature at the time of marriage; however, elsewhere Tabari appears to suggest that she was born during the Jahiliyyah (before 610 C.E), which would translate to an age of about twelve or more at marriage. [7] [8] | Islamic sources of the classical era list Aisha's age at the time of her marriage as six or seven and nine or ten at its consummation. In a hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari, Aisha recollects having been married at six years of age. [5] Ibn Sa'd's biography holds her age at the time of marriage as between six and seven, and gives her age at consummation to be nine while Ibn Hisham's biography of Muhammad suggests she may have been ten years old at consummation. [6] Sahih Bukhari states that her marriage was consummated at such age when she still played with dolls. [9] [a] In the commentary of the Sahih Bukhari it is written that, "Playing with dolls is forbidden in Islam, but it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she did not yet reach the age of puberty." [19] Al-Tabari notes Aisha to have stayed with her parents after the marriage and consummated the relationship at nine years of age since she was young and sexually immature at the time of marriage; however, elsewhere Tabari appears to suggest that she was born during the Jahiliyyah (before 610 C.E), which would translate to an age of about twelve or more at marriage. [7] [8] |
Note that Kawrno Baba's proposed new version has two undefined citation names in the bundled footnote: <ref name="Watt-encyc-online" /> and <ref name="Spellberg" />. I assume that this because some of the text was adapted from another Wikipedia article.
@
Kawrno Baba: that kind of bundling of references inside a footnote is not an acceptable style. It is better to have the citations in the text: Sahih Bukhari states that her marriage was consummated at such age when she still played with dolls.[7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16]
Also, if you copy from another Wikipedia page, please could you state this in the edit summary, and check that your edit includes definitions of the named citations you are moving. --
Toddy1
(talk) 08:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Sahih Bukhari states that her marriage was consummated at such age when she still played with dolls.[7][a]The "[a]" is the bundled footnote. If you look at the markup language in your edit, [1] there is a bit that starts
{{efn|
. That is the start of the bundled footnote. You can see what it looks like in the note section below.--
Toddy1
(talk) 09:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Kawrno Baba: My guess is that most of the new citations do not actually support the sentences they are cited for, but instead support the generally accepted position about Aisha's age on marriage. i.e. most of them are probably irrelevant to the sentences they are placed next to. -- Toddy1 (talk) 08:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
References
Watt-encyc-online
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Spellberg
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Evidence that the Prophet waited for Aisha to reach physical maturity before consummation comes from al-Ṭabarī, who says she was too young for intercourse at the time of the marriage contract;
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cite book}}
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You didn't understood on the Hadith the hadith 5134 says Ayisha`s nuptial was done at the age of 6 and married at the age of 9 " you misunderstood in the nuptial and marriage nuptial is the agreement for marriage not marriage check the hadith in sahi bukhari 5134 37.111.176.141 ( talk) 01:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Sahih Bukhari صحیح بخاری Hadith # 5134
Translation: Narrated Aisha (RA) : that the Prophet ﷺ married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that Aisha (RA) remained with the Prophet ﷺ for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart). Here the first marriage mean agreement for the marriage ( nuptial) at age of 6 which all non muslims considered this that Ayesha was at the age of 6 when the prophet marry her if you read the complete hadith it is cleared that the prophet met with her at the age of 9 and not 6 Basamshah ( talk) 01:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Sahih Bukhari صحیح بخاری Hadith # 5134
Translation: Narrated Aisha (RA) : that the Prophet ﷺ married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that Aisha (RA) remained with the Prophet ﷺ for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart). Here is the complete hadith in this Hadith the first marriage doesn't mean that the prophet met ( intercourse) with Ayesha at the age of 6 this marriage mean the marriage agreement ( nuptials) at the end the Hadith clarifies that the prophet met ( intercourse ) wit Ayesha at the age of 9. Basamshah ( talk) 01:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Sahih Bukhari صحیح بخاری Hadith # 5134
Translation: Narrated Aisha (RA) : that the Prophet ﷺ married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that Aisha (RA) remained with the Prophet ﷺ for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart). The first marriage mean a marriage agreement ( nuptial) at the age of 6 years at the end the hadith clarifies that the prophet consummated (intercourse) with her at the age of 9 years. Basamshah ( talk) 02:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
All material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Articles must not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that reaches or implies a conclusion not clearly stated by the sources themselves.So you cannot use a source that says that he "married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old" to support a statement that he married her when she was nine.
A lot has been said about Aisha's age when marrying the Prophet Muhammad, Whether she was 6, 9, or 16, when she was first betrothed and married. Prophet Michael, God's Disciple ( talk) 01:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
i don't see any sources for aisha being born in 614 in the article 197.48.252.182 ( talk) 07:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)