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I'm not sure that this list of airline codes is truly encyclopedic. DangerDoctor2 10:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I 'finished' the merge of articles, I found and corrected many errors. Codes did not agree with the articles, article names differed in the code based articles. I corrected these as I found them. There is still some work remaining:
Vegaswikian 19:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Vegaswikian, as I see you are merging, editing, etc this list, I will leave this edit needed here for your info. Astair Airlines was named to Interavia Airlines in 2005. The IATA code is ZA. The ICAO code is SUW. The callsign is ASTAIR. You may want to update this as you progress. I will list any additional changes as I come across them. -- Russavia 18:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
These are 2 different airlines. Myanma Airways has IATA code of UB and ICAO of UBA and callsign of UNIONAIR. Myanmar Airways International has IATA of 8M ICAO of UBA and callsign of UNIONAIR. How to change this list to reflect this? -- Russavia 12:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Note that Myanmar Airways International now has a different ICAO code MMA. MilborneOne 11:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
This page is huge in terms of file size and took about 30 seconds to load on my work broadband computer. I know its nice to have it all on one page but the size makes it pretty inaccessible. Madmedea 09:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes please. The page bogs the mediawiki server so much that it takes ages to download, and then the huge table gives my browser a hard time. Splitting the table into sections would probably alleviate the second problem. Han-Kwang 23:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
İnfinite flight Tuklkhjnio ( talk) 12:46, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
OK, the split is finished. In going through this, it looks like there is a lot of cleanup remaining, This includes items like:
If anyone has the time... Vegaswikian 19:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
The following statement is absolute nonsense:
"Call sign confusion happens when two or more flights with similar flight numbers fly close to each other, i.e. KL645 and KL649 or BA466 and BA646".
This is nonsense for a number of reasons. For a start non of these identifiers is a call sign. A call sign is composed of the ICAO airline code, followed by a 4 digit octal code (with the series beginning with '7' being reserved for various emergencies such as depressurisation, hijack or radio failure) . The 4 digit code is determined when the flight plan is filed. It may, or may not remain the same for the entire flight, but it may also change for every sector that the aircraft enters (or anything in between). Whilst every attempt is made to keep the changes to a minimum (not least to minimise the the work of the pilots in changing the code), changes are nonetheless required in flight. It will depend on which numbers are already in use in the sectors that the aircraft enters, and which are already in use in other sectors under the same (or bordering) authority . Call sign confusion will have nothing to do with the closeness of the aircraft. Confusion could be caused if an aircraft enters a territory, and there is another in a different sector in the same territory which is squawking the same code. This may not always cause confusion, but it may and the aircraft may be hundreds of miles apart.
In short, the call sign exists primarily for air traffic control purposes.
Myredroom ( talk) 10:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
In the world of ATC that I was exposed to, the word callsign always referred to the ICAO airine id plus the transponder code. I can accept that different user groups in the field derive different meaning from the same thing. This article itself does exactly this.; on the one hand it suggests that words like "speedbird" represent the callsign, and on the other it suggests that BA646 is a call sign. Myredroom ( talk) 14:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
On all the radar screens I have seen (KARLDAP, MADAP), the "call sign" (as it was always referred to) displayed on (mode charlie) tracks was ICAO code plus transponder code. The IATA code made no appearance, not even on the flight strips. In the control room where I often found myself, communication with pilots was largely using ICAO code, with the frequent exception of Speedbird and Lufthansa and maybe one or two others (but dependent on the controller). Whilst a flight is active in a sector the IATA flight number has little meaning to the controller. Newer systems may vary, but in the world that I saw callsign uneqivocally referred to ICAO plus transponder code. Myredroom ( talk) 04:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
The way this page and all other code pages is, to me, confusing and hard to edit for the general user. I'd like to propose a new way to do it. Instead of Airline codes-All being made up of three template, Template:Airline codes/All being made up of many sub templates, and Airline codes-A being made up of 3 transcluded template (the main one {{ Airline codes/A}} being the one that needs to be edited most, but is the most incomprehensible one to look at) the information on table should be on the page. The information will transclude to the main list ( Airline codes-All) in exactly the same way, but we can also remove the need for Template:Airline codes/All and all other letter templates. Specifically, this is what I mean:
{{Airline codes/Page top}} {{Airline codes/All}} {{Airline codes/Page bottom}}
to:
{{Airline codes/Page top}} {{Airline codes-0-9}} {{Airline codes-A}} {{Airline codes-B}} ... {{Airline codes/Page bottom}}
{{Airline codes/Page top}} {{Airline codes/A}} {{Airline codes/Page bottom}}
to:
<noinclude>{{Airline codes/Page top}}</noinclude> |- |AN |AAA |[[Ansett Australia]] |ANSETT |Australia |defunct |- .... |- |6R |DRU |[[Alrosa Mirny Air Enterprise]] |MIRNY |Russia | <noinclude>{{Airline codes/Page bottom}} </noinclude>
Yes, the pages get a little longer (well, a lot longer) but all the templates {{ Airline codes/0-9}} thru {{ Airline codes/Z}} can be eliminated and deleted. The data will then be easier to see and edit. This may sound confusing, but it's currently being done at List of airports in the United States. - Trevor MacInnis ( Contribs) 21:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Based on an analogy to the "don't change American-English spelling to English-English or vice versa just because you favour one over the other" -rule, the Retaining the existing variety, (see WP:ENGVAR) I think this should be undone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Airline_codes&diff=next&oldid=149600374
Formerly very active, now only occasional editor ( talk) 17:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Is anyone in favour of a decoding table for IATA airline codes, like the one found here for country codes?
A table for IATA codes would have to be bigger, as some airlines have numbers in their codes as well.
26 letters + 10 numbers (0-9) = 36, 36^2 = 1296 combinations, or, if "0" isn't, or cannot be, used, then:
26 + 9 = 35, 35^2 = 1225 combinations.
I certainly think such a table would give a nice overview of IATA airline codes, however, is there a chance that such a table might be "too big" and, consequently, slow down browsers?
203.33.165.41 ( talk) 07:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
SYX was originally Astral Aviation, Inc. d/b/a Skyway Airlines; later Skyway Airlines, Inc., d/b/a Midwest Connect. Regional airline service for Midwest Airlines, Milwaukee WI. Never "Skywalk." Thanks for the correction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikepurves ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Here is a reference to confirm the above:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Skyway_Airlines&oldid=464255853
Mikepurves ( talk) 21:06, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Should this article contain historic usage of callsigns?
I see that there are a good number of airlines that have ceased operation or merged with another, but on the other hand there are plenty that are listed that no longer exist.
I think it creates confusion to have defunct airlines with duplicate callsigns. Maybe those could be split off into a historic callsigns or just removed entirely if another airline is using the callsign/ICAO code. Ksevio ( talk) 22:04, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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I'm not sure that this list of airline codes is truly encyclopedic. DangerDoctor2 10:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I 'finished' the merge of articles, I found and corrected many errors. Codes did not agree with the articles, article names differed in the code based articles. I corrected these as I found them. There is still some work remaining:
Vegaswikian 19:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Vegaswikian, as I see you are merging, editing, etc this list, I will leave this edit needed here for your info. Astair Airlines was named to Interavia Airlines in 2005. The IATA code is ZA. The ICAO code is SUW. The callsign is ASTAIR. You may want to update this as you progress. I will list any additional changes as I come across them. -- Russavia 18:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
These are 2 different airlines. Myanma Airways has IATA code of UB and ICAO of UBA and callsign of UNIONAIR. Myanmar Airways International has IATA of 8M ICAO of UBA and callsign of UNIONAIR. How to change this list to reflect this? -- Russavia 12:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Note that Myanmar Airways International now has a different ICAO code MMA. MilborneOne 11:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
This page is huge in terms of file size and took about 30 seconds to load on my work broadband computer. I know its nice to have it all on one page but the size makes it pretty inaccessible. Madmedea 09:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes please. The page bogs the mediawiki server so much that it takes ages to download, and then the huge table gives my browser a hard time. Splitting the table into sections would probably alleviate the second problem. Han-Kwang 23:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
İnfinite flight Tuklkhjnio ( talk) 12:46, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
OK, the split is finished. In going through this, it looks like there is a lot of cleanup remaining, This includes items like:
If anyone has the time... Vegaswikian 19:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
The following statement is absolute nonsense:
"Call sign confusion happens when two or more flights with similar flight numbers fly close to each other, i.e. KL645 and KL649 or BA466 and BA646".
This is nonsense for a number of reasons. For a start non of these identifiers is a call sign. A call sign is composed of the ICAO airline code, followed by a 4 digit octal code (with the series beginning with '7' being reserved for various emergencies such as depressurisation, hijack or radio failure) . The 4 digit code is determined when the flight plan is filed. It may, or may not remain the same for the entire flight, but it may also change for every sector that the aircraft enters (or anything in between). Whilst every attempt is made to keep the changes to a minimum (not least to minimise the the work of the pilots in changing the code), changes are nonetheless required in flight. It will depend on which numbers are already in use in the sectors that the aircraft enters, and which are already in use in other sectors under the same (or bordering) authority . Call sign confusion will have nothing to do with the closeness of the aircraft. Confusion could be caused if an aircraft enters a territory, and there is another in a different sector in the same territory which is squawking the same code. This may not always cause confusion, but it may and the aircraft may be hundreds of miles apart.
In short, the call sign exists primarily for air traffic control purposes.
Myredroom ( talk) 10:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
In the world of ATC that I was exposed to, the word callsign always referred to the ICAO airine id plus the transponder code. I can accept that different user groups in the field derive different meaning from the same thing. This article itself does exactly this.; on the one hand it suggests that words like "speedbird" represent the callsign, and on the other it suggests that BA646 is a call sign. Myredroom ( talk) 14:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
On all the radar screens I have seen (KARLDAP, MADAP), the "call sign" (as it was always referred to) displayed on (mode charlie) tracks was ICAO code plus transponder code. The IATA code made no appearance, not even on the flight strips. In the control room where I often found myself, communication with pilots was largely using ICAO code, with the frequent exception of Speedbird and Lufthansa and maybe one or two others (but dependent on the controller). Whilst a flight is active in a sector the IATA flight number has little meaning to the controller. Newer systems may vary, but in the world that I saw callsign uneqivocally referred to ICAO plus transponder code. Myredroom ( talk) 04:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
The way this page and all other code pages is, to me, confusing and hard to edit for the general user. I'd like to propose a new way to do it. Instead of Airline codes-All being made up of three template, Template:Airline codes/All being made up of many sub templates, and Airline codes-A being made up of 3 transcluded template (the main one {{ Airline codes/A}} being the one that needs to be edited most, but is the most incomprehensible one to look at) the information on table should be on the page. The information will transclude to the main list ( Airline codes-All) in exactly the same way, but we can also remove the need for Template:Airline codes/All and all other letter templates. Specifically, this is what I mean:
{{Airline codes/Page top}} {{Airline codes/All}} {{Airline codes/Page bottom}}
to:
{{Airline codes/Page top}} {{Airline codes-0-9}} {{Airline codes-A}} {{Airline codes-B}} ... {{Airline codes/Page bottom}}
{{Airline codes/Page top}} {{Airline codes/A}} {{Airline codes/Page bottom}}
to:
<noinclude>{{Airline codes/Page top}}</noinclude> |- |AN |AAA |[[Ansett Australia]] |ANSETT |Australia |defunct |- .... |- |6R |DRU |[[Alrosa Mirny Air Enterprise]] |MIRNY |Russia | <noinclude>{{Airline codes/Page bottom}} </noinclude>
Yes, the pages get a little longer (well, a lot longer) but all the templates {{ Airline codes/0-9}} thru {{ Airline codes/Z}} can be eliminated and deleted. The data will then be easier to see and edit. This may sound confusing, but it's currently being done at List of airports in the United States. - Trevor MacInnis ( Contribs) 21:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Based on an analogy to the "don't change American-English spelling to English-English or vice versa just because you favour one over the other" -rule, the Retaining the existing variety, (see WP:ENGVAR) I think this should be undone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Airline_codes&diff=next&oldid=149600374
Formerly very active, now only occasional editor ( talk) 17:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Is anyone in favour of a decoding table for IATA airline codes, like the one found here for country codes?
A table for IATA codes would have to be bigger, as some airlines have numbers in their codes as well.
26 letters + 10 numbers (0-9) = 36, 36^2 = 1296 combinations, or, if "0" isn't, or cannot be, used, then:
26 + 9 = 35, 35^2 = 1225 combinations.
I certainly think such a table would give a nice overview of IATA airline codes, however, is there a chance that such a table might be "too big" and, consequently, slow down browsers?
203.33.165.41 ( talk) 07:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
SYX was originally Astral Aviation, Inc. d/b/a Skyway Airlines; later Skyway Airlines, Inc., d/b/a Midwest Connect. Regional airline service for Midwest Airlines, Milwaukee WI. Never "Skywalk." Thanks for the correction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikepurves ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Here is a reference to confirm the above:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Skyway_Airlines&oldid=464255853
Mikepurves ( talk) 21:06, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Should this article contain historic usage of callsigns?
I see that there are a good number of airlines that have ceased operation or merged with another, but on the other hand there are plenty that are listed that no longer exist.
I think it creates confusion to have defunct airlines with duplicate callsigns. Maybe those could be split off into a historic callsigns or just removed entirely if another airline is using the callsign/ICAO code. Ksevio ( talk) 22:04, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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