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Have apologised to David Levinson, he was not involved int the changes of 19Feb. I have a feeling the pages may be corrupted, well, it's either that or I have gone barmy, but certain things about don't seem my style. I am asking a developer to take a look at it, the article that is, not me. ;-) -- Dieter Simon 23:16, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The German adjective hoch in the positive form never has an umlaut. It is only when it changes to the comparative höher or the superlative höchst that it receives the umlaut. Dieter Simon 00:58, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Many seemingly reputable websites and Encarta say the shelter was named after its designer, Dr David A. Anderson
John Baker (designer of the Morrison shelter) in his book Enterprise versus Bureaucracy is very clear that the sectional shelter popularly know as the Anderson Shelter is named after Sir John Anderson, not David Anderson. He identifies David Anderson as 'doyen of British civil engineers, senior partner in the civil engineering consulting firm Mott, Hay and Anderson', and as one of the authors of Command Paper 5932 'Report on Air Raid Shelter Policy' December 1938. Alc59 ( talk) 16:40, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Here's an interesting picture of a "bomb shelter" (as captioned) I found while browsing through the Library of Congress OWI archive: [1]. It's essentially a ditch. Thought it might be good for this article, but there doesn't seem to be anything about ditches used for shelters in here. Maybe someone more familiar with the topic can use it better. howcheng { chat} 20:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
If any merger is to be done at all it should be "fallout shelter" into "air raid shelter", and not the other way round. Fallout shelters are later a development of shelter after the creation of the atomic bomb, etc. My opinion is that they are totally different concepts, and therefore should not be merged at all. Fallout shelters are much more complicated in their conception, technology and the circumstances under which they were built. By all means, link the two articles but basically they are not really the same thing at all.
As regards to "Blast shelter", again all the original air raid shelters were created under entirely different circumstances, they came in assembly kits, or were built according to the sudden dire needs of an actual ongoing war, were the development of pre-existing structures such as cellars, basements, underground stations, etc. rather than according to pre-conceived ideas of a war that might or might not happen such as a nuclear war. It's almost like merging "cavalry" with "tanks". Dieter Simon 01:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I seem to have lost the last sections of this article "air-raid shelter" while trying to correctly enter the sources of the various sections. I am trying to get some help to fix this Dieter Simon ( talk) 01:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Air-raid shelter article protected [edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 22:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)) [move=autoconfirmed] (expires 22:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)) (Excessive vandalism)> Dieter Simon ( talk) 22:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I have made substantial amendments to this section, based on current researches for a new book. Some background can be read in Angus Calder's "The People's War", which makes it clear that the shelter policy was extremely contentious. A review of the contemporary Hansard, War Cabinet Conclusions, and newspaper cuttings throughout the period showed that the situation was extremely tense. War Cabinet minutes record Winston Churchill wanting to take "strong action" against campaigners who were demonstrating for better protection.
I do not have a current user account, and having had earlier work savaged, I am not inclined to open up one, so these additions will have to remain anonymous. The do, however, represent the best (short) account or what was going on then. If the account remains, substantially unchanged, I may add to it in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.71.146 ( talk) 13:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
There needs to be more information on other shelters worldwide instead of just those in Britain. There is a photo of one in Israel but additions of other shelters constructed like in the United States, Germany, Japan, France, etc are needed. While fallout shelters are not "directly" known as air-raid shelters there should be some differentiation at the beginning of the article denoting Air-raid, blast and fallout shelters and links to those articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.23.130.121 ( talk) 03:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
At the moment this article is very unbalanced and dominated by the UK section. I suggest that the UK sections are moved out into a new UK WWII specific article and the contents are summarised in this article. If this were done then other sections could be expanded until such time as they need to be moved out to specific articles and the and summarised here.
Anyone have a good idea for a name for a UK article (it would probably need a mention of UK World War I and cold war shelters, so how about Air-raid shelter (United Kingdom)? -- PBS ( talk) 02:23, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Seems to me the advantage of convex walls is to direct a falling bomb away from the base. (One needn't direct a bomb downward.) — Tamfang ( talk) 02:02, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Would anyone object to me spinning out Anderson shelter as a separate article? It's currently a redirect here, which I think is odd given how well known they are in the UK. BubbleEngineer ( talk) 11:52, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Turns out this was a bad idea. Apologies, I'll wait for more consensus next time BubbleEngineer ( talk) 19:16, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@ BubbleEngineer:, @ Palmiped:, @ ClemRutter:, @ Polyamorph: – is this split proposal dead for the time being? I note BubbleEngineer appears to have stopped editing, so it seems he/she won't be taking on this project anytime soon. If this proposal is currently not active, does anyone object to me removing the "split proposal" tag from the article and closing this discussion? Richard3120 ( talk) 15:18, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
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Have apologised to David Levinson, he was not involved int the changes of 19Feb. I have a feeling the pages may be corrupted, well, it's either that or I have gone barmy, but certain things about don't seem my style. I am asking a developer to take a look at it, the article that is, not me. ;-) -- Dieter Simon 23:16, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The German adjective hoch in the positive form never has an umlaut. It is only when it changes to the comparative höher or the superlative höchst that it receives the umlaut. Dieter Simon 00:58, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Many seemingly reputable websites and Encarta say the shelter was named after its designer, Dr David A. Anderson
John Baker (designer of the Morrison shelter) in his book Enterprise versus Bureaucracy is very clear that the sectional shelter popularly know as the Anderson Shelter is named after Sir John Anderson, not David Anderson. He identifies David Anderson as 'doyen of British civil engineers, senior partner in the civil engineering consulting firm Mott, Hay and Anderson', and as one of the authors of Command Paper 5932 'Report on Air Raid Shelter Policy' December 1938. Alc59 ( talk) 16:40, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Here's an interesting picture of a "bomb shelter" (as captioned) I found while browsing through the Library of Congress OWI archive: [1]. It's essentially a ditch. Thought it might be good for this article, but there doesn't seem to be anything about ditches used for shelters in here. Maybe someone more familiar with the topic can use it better. howcheng { chat} 20:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
If any merger is to be done at all it should be "fallout shelter" into "air raid shelter", and not the other way round. Fallout shelters are later a development of shelter after the creation of the atomic bomb, etc. My opinion is that they are totally different concepts, and therefore should not be merged at all. Fallout shelters are much more complicated in their conception, technology and the circumstances under which they were built. By all means, link the two articles but basically they are not really the same thing at all.
As regards to "Blast shelter", again all the original air raid shelters were created under entirely different circumstances, they came in assembly kits, or were built according to the sudden dire needs of an actual ongoing war, were the development of pre-existing structures such as cellars, basements, underground stations, etc. rather than according to pre-conceived ideas of a war that might or might not happen such as a nuclear war. It's almost like merging "cavalry" with "tanks". Dieter Simon 01:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I seem to have lost the last sections of this article "air-raid shelter" while trying to correctly enter the sources of the various sections. I am trying to get some help to fix this Dieter Simon ( talk) 01:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Air-raid shelter article protected [edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 22:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)) [move=autoconfirmed] (expires 22:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)) (Excessive vandalism)> Dieter Simon ( talk) 22:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
I have made substantial amendments to this section, based on current researches for a new book. Some background can be read in Angus Calder's "The People's War", which makes it clear that the shelter policy was extremely contentious. A review of the contemporary Hansard, War Cabinet Conclusions, and newspaper cuttings throughout the period showed that the situation was extremely tense. War Cabinet minutes record Winston Churchill wanting to take "strong action" against campaigners who were demonstrating for better protection.
I do not have a current user account, and having had earlier work savaged, I am not inclined to open up one, so these additions will have to remain anonymous. The do, however, represent the best (short) account or what was going on then. If the account remains, substantially unchanged, I may add to it in the future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.71.146 ( talk) 13:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
There needs to be more information on other shelters worldwide instead of just those in Britain. There is a photo of one in Israel but additions of other shelters constructed like in the United States, Germany, Japan, France, etc are needed. While fallout shelters are not "directly" known as air-raid shelters there should be some differentiation at the beginning of the article denoting Air-raid, blast and fallout shelters and links to those articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.23.130.121 ( talk) 03:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
At the moment this article is very unbalanced and dominated by the UK section. I suggest that the UK sections are moved out into a new UK WWII specific article and the contents are summarised in this article. If this were done then other sections could be expanded until such time as they need to be moved out to specific articles and the and summarised here.
Anyone have a good idea for a name for a UK article (it would probably need a mention of UK World War I and cold war shelters, so how about Air-raid shelter (United Kingdom)? -- PBS ( talk) 02:23, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Seems to me the advantage of convex walls is to direct a falling bomb away from the base. (One needn't direct a bomb downward.) — Tamfang ( talk) 02:02, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Would anyone object to me spinning out Anderson shelter as a separate article? It's currently a redirect here, which I think is odd given how well known they are in the UK. BubbleEngineer ( talk) 11:52, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Turns out this was a bad idea. Apologies, I'll wait for more consensus next time BubbleEngineer ( talk) 19:16, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@ BubbleEngineer:, @ Palmiped:, @ ClemRutter:, @ Polyamorph: – is this split proposal dead for the time being? I note BubbleEngineer appears to have stopped editing, so it seems he/she won't be taking on this project anytime soon. If this proposal is currently not active, does anyone object to me removing the "split proposal" tag from the article and closing this discussion? Richard3120 ( talk) 15:18, 1 February 2019 (UTC)