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The coordinates need the following fixes:
The actual crash site is clearly visible as a clearing in the forest. There is also a Panoramio photo at the location. The following coordinates represent the centre of the clearing. 48.427736, 7.402967 7°24'16.99"E
219.133.146.75 ( talk) 12:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
19 December 2011 - This article incorrectly states that MAYDAY is known as AIR EMERGENCY in Australia. It is actually known as AIR CRASH INVESTIGATION in Australia (as it is in the UK). This episode aired today. Aust author ( talk) 12:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the referenced to the Canadian cable channel as this show is seen on several different channels in Canada. I've replaced the channel name with the name of the production company. Dknrd ( talk) 17:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I also just saw this (in Finland) and it was entitled "Doomed to Fail". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.133.11.4 ( talk) 17:16, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
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Should this article be renamed to Air Inter Flight 5148? Per the final report, the flight number was 5148 and not 148. 223.236.245.35 ( talk) 08:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. After two relists, it doesn't seem like the consensus is getting any clearer on whether or not to move this page. There are comments that support and oppose the move request without a strong clarification either way, meaning the current title may not necessarily be incorrect. With that being said, per the information in the discussion below, if anyone feels the need to create Air Inter Flight 5148 as a redirect towards this article, there's no prejudice against doing so. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 20:00, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Air Inter Flight 148 → Air Inter Flight 5148 – I think ASN made an error in the flight number by using the callsign "ITF 148 DA". Seeing sources (even one mention in the final report on page 500), they mention it as Flight 5148 not 148: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] etc. 223.229.158.165 ( talk) 16:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 ( talk) 17:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 19:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. The opinions below should be viewed in the context of the previous move request in mid-2022 that ended with no consensus. It is even pointed out in the discussion below that 'Air Inter Flight 148' is the more *common* name. The raw Google hits, though they don't always play a decisive role, are strongly tilted in favor of '148'. The French and German Wikipedias still have this as Flight 148. EdJohnston ( talk) 00:55, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Air Inter Flight 148 → Air Inter Flight 5148 – Noting the move above and the revert taken on my move, I apologize for the administrators if this may as well be getting rather repetitive but I would like to post a move request to Air Inter Flight 5148, as mentioned in the sourcing above, several sources (including French sources) mention this accident as flight 5148 and not 148, even today: [8], [9], [10]. I think that the callsign (AIR INTER 148 DELTA ALPHA) in the final report might have interfered in interpreting the flight number (IT5148) from the beginning, hereby the confusion. This may have caught on and not been fixed until found somewhat recently. Callsigns and flight numbers can very well be different. Thanks! Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq ( talk) 08:22, 30 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 17:51, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
I think we should name it Flight 5148
PlaneCrashKing1264 ( talk) 20:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus that the current title is the WP:COMMONNAME, and that it is preferable over the more accurate but more obscure proposed title. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 15:04, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Air Inter Flight 148 → Air Inter Flight 5148 – Although the above two moves disregard the proposed title, I still believe this title should replace the prior one. Reason being is that although WP:COMMONNAME could apply as seen above, the guideline makes an explicit mention that "Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources.". Also, the WP:AVINAME policy should hold superior as '148' (if Air Inter did serve a route) and '5148' are two completely different flight numbers serving two completely different routes. Also, for those who mention that the French Wikipedia instates it is Flight 148, Wikipedia is not a source and cannot be trusted upon blindly. Also, flight numbers are exempt of common names, for instance, a move was conducted from Air Inter Flight 696 to Air Inter Flight 696Y: [19] despite the French Wikipedia mentioning the accident as flight 696: [20]. So this is not a question on which name is more common than the other. Flight 148 is grossly incorrect and should only be present as a footnote that the accident is incorrectly referred to as flight 148 and is not applicable for being a common title. Had a word with the Aviation Safety Network and they too changed the erroneous flight number to 5148 and they confirmed this through a 1992 timetable that flight IT5148 operated on the Lyon - Strasbourg route: [21]. Just because some rumor has it that it was flight 148 because of the deceptive callsign, doesn't mean we too fall into their shadows. And per the AVINAME convention we always use the IATA flight number, not some commonly used incorrect flight number.
Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq ( talk) 09:44, 5 August 2023 (UTC) Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq ( talk) 09:44, 5 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – Material Works 10:37, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq ( talk) 12:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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The coordinates need the following fixes:
The actual crash site is clearly visible as a clearing in the forest. There is also a Panoramio photo at the location. The following coordinates represent the centre of the clearing. 48.427736, 7.402967 7°24'16.99"E
219.133.146.75 ( talk) 12:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
19 December 2011 - This article incorrectly states that MAYDAY is known as AIR EMERGENCY in Australia. It is actually known as AIR CRASH INVESTIGATION in Australia (as it is in the UK). This episode aired today. Aust author ( talk) 12:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the referenced to the Canadian cable channel as this show is seen on several different channels in Canada. I've replaced the channel name with the name of the production company. Dknrd ( talk) 17:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I also just saw this (in Finland) and it was entitled "Doomed to Fail". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.133.11.4 ( talk) 17:16, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
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Should this article be renamed to Air Inter Flight 5148? Per the final report, the flight number was 5148 and not 148. 223.236.245.35 ( talk) 08:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. After two relists, it doesn't seem like the consensus is getting any clearer on whether or not to move this page. There are comments that support and oppose the move request without a strong clarification either way, meaning the current title may not necessarily be incorrect. With that being said, per the information in the discussion below, if anyone feels the need to create Air Inter Flight 5148 as a redirect towards this article, there's no prejudice against doing so. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 20:00, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Air Inter Flight 148 → Air Inter Flight 5148 – I think ASN made an error in the flight number by using the callsign "ITF 148 DA". Seeing sources (even one mention in the final report on page 500), they mention it as Flight 5148 not 148: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] etc. 223.229.158.165 ( talk) 16:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 ( talk) 17:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 19:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. The opinions below should be viewed in the context of the previous move request in mid-2022 that ended with no consensus. It is even pointed out in the discussion below that 'Air Inter Flight 148' is the more *common* name. The raw Google hits, though they don't always play a decisive role, are strongly tilted in favor of '148'. The French and German Wikipedias still have this as Flight 148. EdJohnston ( talk) 00:55, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Air Inter Flight 148 → Air Inter Flight 5148 – Noting the move above and the revert taken on my move, I apologize for the administrators if this may as well be getting rather repetitive but I would like to post a move request to Air Inter Flight 5148, as mentioned in the sourcing above, several sources (including French sources) mention this accident as flight 5148 and not 148, even today: [8], [9], [10]. I think that the callsign (AIR INTER 148 DELTA ALPHA) in the final report might have interfered in interpreting the flight number (IT5148) from the beginning, hereby the confusion. This may have caught on and not been fixed until found somewhat recently. Callsigns and flight numbers can very well be different. Thanks! Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq ( talk) 08:22, 30 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 17:51, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
I think we should name it Flight 5148
PlaneCrashKing1264 ( talk) 20:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus that the current title is the WP:COMMONNAME, and that it is preferable over the more accurate but more obscure proposed title. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 15:04, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Air Inter Flight 148 → Air Inter Flight 5148 – Although the above two moves disregard the proposed title, I still believe this title should replace the prior one. Reason being is that although WP:COMMONNAME could apply as seen above, the guideline makes an explicit mention that "Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources.". Also, the WP:AVINAME policy should hold superior as '148' (if Air Inter did serve a route) and '5148' are two completely different flight numbers serving two completely different routes. Also, for those who mention that the French Wikipedia instates it is Flight 148, Wikipedia is not a source and cannot be trusted upon blindly. Also, flight numbers are exempt of common names, for instance, a move was conducted from Air Inter Flight 696 to Air Inter Flight 696Y: [19] despite the French Wikipedia mentioning the accident as flight 696: [20]. So this is not a question on which name is more common than the other. Flight 148 is grossly incorrect and should only be present as a footnote that the accident is incorrectly referred to as flight 148 and is not applicable for being a common title. Had a word with the Aviation Safety Network and they too changed the erroneous flight number to 5148 and they confirmed this through a 1992 timetable that flight IT5148 operated on the Lyon - Strasbourg route: [21]. Just because some rumor has it that it was flight 148 because of the deceptive callsign, doesn't mean we too fall into their shadows. And per the AVINAME convention we always use the IATA flight number, not some commonly used incorrect flight number.
Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq ( talk) 09:44, 5 August 2023 (UTC) Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq ( talk) 09:44, 5 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. – Material Works 10:37, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! Idmsdmsalescaleneiviq ( talk) 12:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC)