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These links to the page numbers within the OARDEC documents may be useful to other contributors. Geo Swan ( talk) 20:26, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
CSRT allegations | 55 |
CSRT transcript | 5-11 |
ARB 1 allegations | 3-4 |
ARB 2 allegations | 42-44 |
ARB 3 allegations | 20-25 |
ARB 3 decision | 68-77 |
In this edit another contributor reformatted references with the edit summary "Refs: Updated. Code legibility: Code in inline references should also be online"
Please, as a courtesy to other contributors, could we explain complicated or controversial edits on the talk page -- not in our edit summaries?
This assertion is not, so far as I am aware, backed up by policy, or any well-respected wikidocument.
There is a well-known practical principle -- "If it is not broke, don't fix it." Personally, I consider the reformatting of reference to be a terrible idea, when it is done solely to comply with someone's esthetic sense. Policy doesn't state a preference to whether {{ cite}} templates should have one field per line, or all fields on a single logical line. Personally, I strongly prefer the one field per line form, because {{ cite}} templates can be broken. They can be broken by unbalanced brackets and unbalanced braces. Personally, I find debugging the individual fields in a template much easier, if each field is on its own line.
So, the unnecessary rewriting of metadata, like {{ cite}} templates, for esthetic reasons, is a terribly bad idea, because errors can be introduced during the rewriting.
In addition, this kind of rewriting very strongly erodes the utility of the history mechanism. I have been contributing to the wikipedia since 2004, and routinely go back to articles I last edited years previously. I do this when i come across new information, new references, that require an update. Well, of course, before I make that update, I should use the revision control system to make sure that new information has not already been incorporated.
This should be easy, since we have a history mechanism, which can show how the article has been changed. Sadly, this process is routinely made more difficult, by well-meaning, by highly advised contributors, who make purely esthetic changes to article's metadata. By doing so they confuse the history mechanism, so it lights up like a christmass tree. Sometimes it will look like every single word of the article was changed -- forcing me to step through dozens of individual revisions, one at a time.
Wow. It can be an infuriating waste of time. Sometimes genuine changes have been made to the article's editorial content -- what it actually says. But more than half the time I will find that while multiple contributors made dozens of edits, all of those edits were to the article's meta-data, and none of those other contributors made any efforts to help keep the article up to date.
I have made thousands, or maybe tens of thousands, of edits to {{ cite}} templates someone else wrote. I make the effort to resist the temptation to rewrite references, when I populate missing fields, to keep it in the form where all fields are on a single line, if that is the way I found it. I make this effort so my edits don't erode the utility of diffs for other people.
I think I should be able to ocount on other contributors to make the effort to not erode the utility of diffs for me. Geo Swan ( talk) 03:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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These links to the page numbers within the OARDEC documents may be useful to other contributors. Geo Swan ( talk) 20:26, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
CSRT allegations | 55 |
CSRT transcript | 5-11 |
ARB 1 allegations | 3-4 |
ARB 2 allegations | 42-44 |
ARB 3 allegations | 20-25 |
ARB 3 decision | 68-77 |
In this edit another contributor reformatted references with the edit summary "Refs: Updated. Code legibility: Code in inline references should also be online"
Please, as a courtesy to other contributors, could we explain complicated or controversial edits on the talk page -- not in our edit summaries?
This assertion is not, so far as I am aware, backed up by policy, or any well-respected wikidocument.
There is a well-known practical principle -- "If it is not broke, don't fix it." Personally, I consider the reformatting of reference to be a terrible idea, when it is done solely to comply with someone's esthetic sense. Policy doesn't state a preference to whether {{ cite}} templates should have one field per line, or all fields on a single logical line. Personally, I strongly prefer the one field per line form, because {{ cite}} templates can be broken. They can be broken by unbalanced brackets and unbalanced braces. Personally, I find debugging the individual fields in a template much easier, if each field is on its own line.
So, the unnecessary rewriting of metadata, like {{ cite}} templates, for esthetic reasons, is a terribly bad idea, because errors can be introduced during the rewriting.
In addition, this kind of rewriting very strongly erodes the utility of the history mechanism. I have been contributing to the wikipedia since 2004, and routinely go back to articles I last edited years previously. I do this when i come across new information, new references, that require an update. Well, of course, before I make that update, I should use the revision control system to make sure that new information has not already been incorporated.
This should be easy, since we have a history mechanism, which can show how the article has been changed. Sadly, this process is routinely made more difficult, by well-meaning, by highly advised contributors, who make purely esthetic changes to article's metadata. By doing so they confuse the history mechanism, so it lights up like a christmass tree. Sometimes it will look like every single word of the article was changed -- forcing me to step through dozens of individual revisions, one at a time.
Wow. It can be an infuriating waste of time. Sometimes genuine changes have been made to the article's editorial content -- what it actually says. But more than half the time I will find that while multiple contributors made dozens of edits, all of those edits were to the article's meta-data, and none of those other contributors made any efforts to help keep the article up to date.
I have made thousands, or maybe tens of thousands, of edits to {{ cite}} templates someone else wrote. I make the effort to resist the temptation to rewrite references, when I populate missing fields, to keep it in the form where all fields are on a single line, if that is the way I found it. I make this effort so my edits don't erode the utility of diffs for other people.
I think I should be able to ocount on other contributors to make the effort to not erode the utility of diffs for me. Geo Swan ( talk) 03:43, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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