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The sources are unclear, but the improvements seem to be compared with the original A129, not the A129 International (A129I), esp the engine performance figures. I have a source [1] which states the A129I has "20% more-powerful LHTEC T800 turboshafts", exactly the same figures given for the T129. As such, I have to believe the T129 uses the same engines as the A129I, and the the performace figures are comparing the T129 to original A129 with the Gem engines, not to the A129I. Assuming the deal goes forward, more information should be forthcoming, but until then, I believe my interpretation of the figures is accurate based on verifiable sources to this point. Thanks. - BillCJ 03:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
The RR 1004 is the Gem, and the CTS800 is the civil version of the T800. I've seen both T800 and CTS800 listed as being in the Int'l, SO I assume there isn't much difference between the two designations, other than the usual military/civil changes. TO my knowledge, the A129I was developed in the mid-late 90s, but never sold, though the A129CBT for the Italians featured many of the improvements, except it retained the Gem engines. THe T129 may further improve on the Int'l, but to what extent I have yet to determine. - BillCJ 05:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
We're planning on converting the A139 Int'l specs to the T129 when they are released. Since the T129 is the only version of the A129I that has been sold, it seems apporpriate to list the T129 3-view there, rather than in the text. The A129I 3-view with printed text does not look professional, and it looks like it's from a presumably-copyrighted book/magazine, I am going to remove it. I won't move the T129 preveiw back to the specs at this time, as it seems to be too contentious. - BillCJ 23:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Re. this revert [2]: I disagree. This is not one of the contexts where either "former Yugoslav..." or even "Republic of..." is needed. The context is one of international politics, where the simple name "Macedonia" alone is practically unambiguous (in a sentence involving "UN missions to X, Y, and Z", where Y and Z are unambiguously independent countries, it would be implausible for a reader to assume that X should be referring to anything else but also the independent country of that name.) The rule you quote is only for environments "where the context demands making a disambiguating contrast even more salient. [...] This will usually only be the case where the country needs to be mentioned in direct contrast with one of the other 'Macedonias'". Not the case here. And if you want "former Yugoslav" for reasons other than disambiguation, for instance just as a piece of background info about why there was a UN mission in that country in the first place, you'd have to ask yourself: why does this entry in the list need such background info, when the other two don't? In any case, it's irrelevant to this article, since this article isn't about what the UN was doing in those countries and why; it's purely about the machine. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
As one of the referees involved in finalising the guideline, I have been asked to comment here. I would respectfully suggest that the guidance referred to is not applicable here and that the "former Yugoslavian" aspect be omitted altogether, since it is unambiguous as to what is being referred to without this qualifier. Fritzpoll ( talk) 12:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I found the applicable section in the MOS: Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (text formatting)#Foreign terms: "A proper name is usually not italicized when it is used, but it may be italicized when the name itself is being referred to (see Words as words)." Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 20:39, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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The sources are unclear, but the improvements seem to be compared with the original A129, not the A129 International (A129I), esp the engine performance figures. I have a source [1] which states the A129I has "20% more-powerful LHTEC T800 turboshafts", exactly the same figures given for the T129. As such, I have to believe the T129 uses the same engines as the A129I, and the the performace figures are comparing the T129 to original A129 with the Gem engines, not to the A129I. Assuming the deal goes forward, more information should be forthcoming, but until then, I believe my interpretation of the figures is accurate based on verifiable sources to this point. Thanks. - BillCJ 03:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
The RR 1004 is the Gem, and the CTS800 is the civil version of the T800. I've seen both T800 and CTS800 listed as being in the Int'l, SO I assume there isn't much difference between the two designations, other than the usual military/civil changes. TO my knowledge, the A129I was developed in the mid-late 90s, but never sold, though the A129CBT for the Italians featured many of the improvements, except it retained the Gem engines. THe T129 may further improve on the Int'l, but to what extent I have yet to determine. - BillCJ 05:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
We're planning on converting the A139 Int'l specs to the T129 when they are released. Since the T129 is the only version of the A129I that has been sold, it seems apporpriate to list the T129 3-view there, rather than in the text. The A129I 3-view with printed text does not look professional, and it looks like it's from a presumably-copyrighted book/magazine, I am going to remove it. I won't move the T129 preveiw back to the specs at this time, as it seems to be too contentious. - BillCJ 23:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Re. this revert [2]: I disagree. This is not one of the contexts where either "former Yugoslav..." or even "Republic of..." is needed. The context is one of international politics, where the simple name "Macedonia" alone is practically unambiguous (in a sentence involving "UN missions to X, Y, and Z", where Y and Z are unambiguously independent countries, it would be implausible for a reader to assume that X should be referring to anything else but also the independent country of that name.) The rule you quote is only for environments "where the context demands making a disambiguating contrast even more salient. [...] This will usually only be the case where the country needs to be mentioned in direct contrast with one of the other 'Macedonias'". Not the case here. And if you want "former Yugoslav" for reasons other than disambiguation, for instance just as a piece of background info about why there was a UN mission in that country in the first place, you'd have to ask yourself: why does this entry in the list need such background info, when the other two don't? In any case, it's irrelevant to this article, since this article isn't about what the UN was doing in those countries and why; it's purely about the machine. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
As one of the referees involved in finalising the guideline, I have been asked to comment here. I would respectfully suggest that the guidance referred to is not applicable here and that the "former Yugoslavian" aspect be omitted altogether, since it is unambiguous as to what is being referred to without this qualifier. Fritzpoll ( talk) 12:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I found the applicable section in the MOS: Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (text formatting)#Foreign terms: "A proper name is usually not italicized when it is used, but it may be italicized when the name itself is being referred to (see Words as words)." Thanks. - BilCat ( talk) 20:39, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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