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Thank you for the temporary protection of the original title in the article, Agustin Stahl. When I first wrote the article, I left the title without accents. I did this because I wrote it in the English version of Wikipedia with the english people speaking people, in mind. I realized that there are many people who do not understand the usage of accents and therefore may have difficulty in accessing one of my articles (I have written over 70 mini-bios already). Since Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia and its articles are also in other web sites, such as Nationmaster, I wanted the articles to be very acessable. Mind you that I don't mind having the accents within the article itself, only in the title. I know that Wikipedia permits accents but, I think that Wikipedia doesn't say that you "MUST" have accents. My intentions are that English speaking persons, including the Latinos raised in English speaking countries and who do not understand the usage of accents, will be able to enjoy and appreciate my work. It is much easier to write Jose without the accent than with an accent and therefore more accessable. If the bylaws of Wikipedia state that it is a "MUST" that the titles contain an accent, then I personally will make the changes. Thank you for reading. User:Marine 69-71
Other forks are none of our concern. If they can't cope with special characters, it's not our problem. Rick K 23:38, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)
Presumably the only way we're going to get these articles unprotected is by resolving this issue of diacriticals in titles. I'm surprised to discover that preferring Agustín Stahl over Agustin Stahl does not appear to be enshrined in policy anywhere (or at least I couldn't find it). It's standard practice, no question about that, but it appears not to be policy. Where should we take the discussion to clear this up once and for all? –Hajor 01:56, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I beleive that it would be nice to share our articles with other forks and until a policy is drawn up by Wikipedia about the accents in the titles, the originator should have the option of the deciding if he or she wants a title with an accent. We must have rules to avoid all the reverting, at least in the titles. User Marine:69-71
Personally, I think Wikipedia should have a flexible policy on this, similar to British vs. American English. If the name is more likely to be written in English with diacritics, then definitely title the article that way, but if the name is commonly seen in English without diacritics, titling without might be preferable (e.g. Slobodan Milosevic). But acting like either one is a wrong answer is counterproductive pedantry. For the particular case of Mr. Stahl, I don't think he's very well known in English at all, so I would choose the title with accents. In either case, properly creating redirects is more important than bickering over accent marks in titles. -- Michael Snow 20:51, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I feel that the correct spelling should be used if possible, but make a redirect at the spelling without special characters. -- Sgeo | Talk 23:23, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)
Marine 69-71 wrote the following, copied from my talk page:
Like all of us, I think he's looking for a simple guideline that people can easily understand. This seems like a reasonable way to do it in general. Though I would clarify that country will not always be the right unit to consider (Quebec and Puerto Rico, for example). If people are okay with this, maybe we can write it down as policy in an appropriate place. -- Michael Snow 23:29, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Marine 69-71 also commented at the top of this page, "I realized that there are many people who do not understand the usage of accents and therefore may have difficulty in accessing one of my articles". This shows admirable concern but is really a non-issue since it's easy to add redirects for alternate spellings, e.g. Salvador Dali -> Salvador Dalí. — Hob← Talk 19:44, 2004 Aug 20 (UTC)
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Thank you for the temporary protection of the original title in the article, Agustin Stahl. When I first wrote the article, I left the title without accents. I did this because I wrote it in the English version of Wikipedia with the english people speaking people, in mind. I realized that there are many people who do not understand the usage of accents and therefore may have difficulty in accessing one of my articles (I have written over 70 mini-bios already). Since Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia and its articles are also in other web sites, such as Nationmaster, I wanted the articles to be very acessable. Mind you that I don't mind having the accents within the article itself, only in the title. I know that Wikipedia permits accents but, I think that Wikipedia doesn't say that you "MUST" have accents. My intentions are that English speaking persons, including the Latinos raised in English speaking countries and who do not understand the usage of accents, will be able to enjoy and appreciate my work. It is much easier to write Jose without the accent than with an accent and therefore more accessable. If the bylaws of Wikipedia state that it is a "MUST" that the titles contain an accent, then I personally will make the changes. Thank you for reading. User:Marine 69-71
Other forks are none of our concern. If they can't cope with special characters, it's not our problem. Rick K 23:38, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)
Presumably the only way we're going to get these articles unprotected is by resolving this issue of diacriticals in titles. I'm surprised to discover that preferring Agustín Stahl over Agustin Stahl does not appear to be enshrined in policy anywhere (or at least I couldn't find it). It's standard practice, no question about that, but it appears not to be policy. Where should we take the discussion to clear this up once and for all? –Hajor 01:56, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I beleive that it would be nice to share our articles with other forks and until a policy is drawn up by Wikipedia about the accents in the titles, the originator should have the option of the deciding if he or she wants a title with an accent. We must have rules to avoid all the reverting, at least in the titles. User Marine:69-71
Personally, I think Wikipedia should have a flexible policy on this, similar to British vs. American English. If the name is more likely to be written in English with diacritics, then definitely title the article that way, but if the name is commonly seen in English without diacritics, titling without might be preferable (e.g. Slobodan Milosevic). But acting like either one is a wrong answer is counterproductive pedantry. For the particular case of Mr. Stahl, I don't think he's very well known in English at all, so I would choose the title with accents. In either case, properly creating redirects is more important than bickering over accent marks in titles. -- Michael Snow 20:51, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I feel that the correct spelling should be used if possible, but make a redirect at the spelling without special characters. -- Sgeo | Talk 23:23, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)
Marine 69-71 wrote the following, copied from my talk page:
Like all of us, I think he's looking for a simple guideline that people can easily understand. This seems like a reasonable way to do it in general. Though I would clarify that country will not always be the right unit to consider (Quebec and Puerto Rico, for example). If people are okay with this, maybe we can write it down as policy in an appropriate place. -- Michael Snow 23:29, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Marine 69-71 also commented at the top of this page, "I realized that there are many people who do not understand the usage of accents and therefore may have difficulty in accessing one of my articles". This shows admirable concern but is really a non-issue since it's easy to add redirects for alternate spellings, e.g. Salvador Dali -> Salvador Dalí. — Hob← Talk 19:44, 2004 Aug 20 (UTC)