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Are we just counting decorations and not the grade of the decoration received? There were thousands of soldiers who won the Medal of Honor, and/or the Distinguished Service Cross or the Navy Cross which arguably may say more about being decorated than the actual number of decorations. Audie Murphy did win both the Medal of Honor and the Distinguished Service Cross as I think a few others have during WWII.
Harvey Possinger has won a total of 26 medals for his service in WWII, one shy of Audie Murphy. That would make Mr. Possinger the second-most decorated soldier of the war. http://vetstribute.com/candleburning/index.htm
This information is not correct. Thousands of soldiers received those awards, and hundreds were awarded the Medal of Honor and the DSC, thus making such allegation false. LTC Hector Gonzalez(TASS Instructor Command and General Staff College and native Puerto Rican).
Mr. Tony Thanks for your response. Remember decoration for an individual is when is awarded for him solely for personal gallantry or achievement; For example the Silver Star and the French Croix De Guerre awarded to SFC Ramos-Calero were awarded to him in his own right for exceptional courage. For example the National Defense Medal is a "general award" to everyone that served during that period, thus not a decoration for the individual per se. For example The Presidential Unit Citation and the French Fouragere are unit awards not individual decorations. As for myself I have collected in my 31 years of service from Infantry Pvt. to Infantry LTC 15 ribbons (one of them with 7 oak leaves clusters, one with 2 stars, three of them with numerals 2 to 4) and a Unit award for combat in Iraq (as did the other 740 soldiers in my unit), and that does not make me a highly decorated soldier, it makes me a soldier with highly amount of ribbons and devices. "Rule of Thumb" Individual Awards (for valor or for achievement), General Service Awards, and Unit Awards. SFC Ramos Calero served in the same division during WWII as PFC Jose F. Valdez (3rd Infantry Division), PFC Valdez was awarded the Medal of Honor, the Purple Heart and the French Croix de Guerre all for valor, plus by virtue of both being in the same division (as did thousands of members of the 3rd Division) the same badges, campaign medals, and unit awards as SFC Ramos. If ribbons and awards from the Korean war are added to bring the number to 22, then what happens if you do the same for SFC Modesto Cartagena(WWII, Korea) from Cayey, P.R. (DSC,Silver Star, Bronze star with “V”, Legion of Merit). By no means I want to diminish SFC Ramos service to our nation or his courage, but we the ones that make assertions must be real careful in what we inform or how present facts and not tarnish in the process the memory and service of those that fought so bravely for our nation.. Enough said…
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Are we just counting decorations and not the grade of the decoration received? There were thousands of soldiers who won the Medal of Honor, and/or the Distinguished Service Cross or the Navy Cross which arguably may say more about being decorated than the actual number of decorations. Audie Murphy did win both the Medal of Honor and the Distinguished Service Cross as I think a few others have during WWII.
Harvey Possinger has won a total of 26 medals for his service in WWII, one shy of Audie Murphy. That would make Mr. Possinger the second-most decorated soldier of the war. http://vetstribute.com/candleburning/index.htm
This information is not correct. Thousands of soldiers received those awards, and hundreds were awarded the Medal of Honor and the DSC, thus making such allegation false. LTC Hector Gonzalez(TASS Instructor Command and General Staff College and native Puerto Rican).
Mr. Tony Thanks for your response. Remember decoration for an individual is when is awarded for him solely for personal gallantry or achievement; For example the Silver Star and the French Croix De Guerre awarded to SFC Ramos-Calero were awarded to him in his own right for exceptional courage. For example the National Defense Medal is a "general award" to everyone that served during that period, thus not a decoration for the individual per se. For example The Presidential Unit Citation and the French Fouragere are unit awards not individual decorations. As for myself I have collected in my 31 years of service from Infantry Pvt. to Infantry LTC 15 ribbons (one of them with 7 oak leaves clusters, one with 2 stars, three of them with numerals 2 to 4) and a Unit award for combat in Iraq (as did the other 740 soldiers in my unit), and that does not make me a highly decorated soldier, it makes me a soldier with highly amount of ribbons and devices. "Rule of Thumb" Individual Awards (for valor or for achievement), General Service Awards, and Unit Awards. SFC Ramos Calero served in the same division during WWII as PFC Jose F. Valdez (3rd Infantry Division), PFC Valdez was awarded the Medal of Honor, the Purple Heart and the French Croix de Guerre all for valor, plus by virtue of both being in the same division (as did thousands of members of the 3rd Division) the same badges, campaign medals, and unit awards as SFC Ramos. If ribbons and awards from the Korean war are added to bring the number to 22, then what happens if you do the same for SFC Modesto Cartagena(WWII, Korea) from Cayey, P.R. (DSC,Silver Star, Bronze star with “V”, Legion of Merit). By no means I want to diminish SFC Ramos service to our nation or his courage, but we the ones that make assertions must be real careful in what we inform or how present facts and not tarnish in the process the memory and service of those that fought so bravely for our nation.. Enough said…