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This is a very mature article, formerly featured indeed, and peer-reviewed after that, and it is in a good state. I'd like to take it through GAN; if anyone would like to join me, they're very welcome to be co-nominators. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 19:55, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
The article says that "agriculture" has a very bad negative effect in regards to climate change. This is actually very inaccurate. It should state that animal husbandry has a very bad effect on climate change. This as it is one of the main reasons of prodiction of methane gas, one of the worst GhG gases (allot more potent than CO²). In addition, I find it's useful to also mention that life in prehistoric times had allready been killed once (globally!) trough the effect of methane gas. Appearantly, the levels for this to happen were only 5x as large, excluding other gases (ie effect of CO² emissions from transport, ...) See http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/05/07/dinosaurs-farted-their-way-to-extinction-british-scientists-say/ 91.182.243.253 ( talk) 16:43, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Agriculture as a whole is a massive contributor to climate change. An excellent [and phenomenally well-researched] book on the subject is "The Carbon Farming Solution" by Eric Toensmeier [Chelsea Green, 2016]. According to Toensmeier, "Emissions that result directly from agricultural production account for 11 to 15 percent of total greenhouse gas emissions world-wide...Land clearing and deforestation for agriculture accounts for [an additional] 15 to 18 percent." And this isn't just because we use diesel tractors or other industrial methods. "Agriculture's most damning contribution to climate change is the release of carbon held in the soil" due to deforestation and tillage. And Toensmeier's data on the subject goes on and on. There is simply no question that the vast majority of agriculture, reliant on deforestation and cultivation, is fundamentally tied to massive CO2 emissions, simply through the process of exposing soil carbon to the air, which quickly facilitates it's release into the atmosphere. There are other ways, such as no-till and agroforestry, but it's just irresponsible and wrong to argue that agriculture, as practiced most commonly, isn't a major contributor to global warming. Will Szal ( talk) 16:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Whether general agriculture has an impact or not, it is undeniable that animal agriculture is by far more harmful overall than any other form of agriculture. This ought to be reflected in the article, and yet the article does not reflect this well at all. Animal agriculture is incredibly harmful to both the environment and to humans in general, far more so than the farming of crops. See my comment above regarding this industries role in the emergence and transmission of infectious disease, for example. I can only presume the industry is gate-keeping this article and censoring out information, just like they do in all other media. As for the comment above mine, perhaps the author ought to educate themselves on carbon fixation processes in plants. How many cows do you see packed with chloroplasts?
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Perhaps there should be a section in this article for agricultural patents and even an article, it seems like an important topic. Perhaps it already exists but not under that name? I found Biological patents but that is a wider topic.
Thanks
John Cummings ( talk) 08:54, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
The Origin section of the article claims that Rye was cultivated over 13,000 years ago (Hillman, G.; Hedges, R.; Moore, A.; Colledge, S.; Pettitt, P.; Hedges; Moore; Colledge; Pettitt (2001). "New evidence of Lateglacial cereal cultivation at Abu Hureyra on the Euphrates". Holocene. 11 (4): 383–393. doi:10.1191/095968301678302823.)
I am not aware of any sources since also claiming this. The lede of the article mentions the cultivation of grains 11,500 years ago, which is my understanding. The 2001 statement should be removed; I will leave that to those who assist with this page. William Harris • (talk) • 10:06, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Wondering if industry gatekeepers are responsible for censorship on this page like they are on many other Wikipedia pages. The role of animal agriculture in the emergence and spread of infectious disease in humans seems not to be mentioned anywhere, and yet an enormous number of such diseases stem from this industries practices.
The styles used here (and in anything I've taken to GA, btw) are pages 123–129, i.e. spelt out in full (indeed, I had been led to believe by the gnomish contributions from many editors that this was the only acceptable format, but never mind); and initials Doe, J. R., i.e. fully spaced. If any instances in the article differ from that, it's an accident. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 23:16, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
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Chiswick Chap, you removed my content, claiming that meatpacking is not part of agriculture. This seems silly to me. Of course slaughtering is part of animal agriculture. Slaughter is defined as, killing of animals especially for food. The slaughter process is involved in both the final steps of animal husbandry and care, and the first steps of food processing. If the harvesting of crops is still part of agriculture, then it only makes sense for the harvesting of animals to be part of agriculture as well. Please return my content. RockingGeo ( talk) 07:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The section on safety is already quite long enough, and it covers safety on the farm. Welfare of food processing workers and those in food transport and supermarkets is a serious political and social concern (and deserves coverage in the encyclopedia) but it is not agriculture. Even if (for the sake of argument) we were to suppose that food processing was a component of agriculture, then meat packing would be only one small component of that subsection, and welfare of workers in meat packing would be an even smaller element of that sub-subsection, so the coverage is clearly WP:UNDUE by a large margin. But connecting welfare of people not working on a farm with a section on farm safety is already a great stretch: basically, this is simply a misplaced piece of material which does not belong in the Agriculture article. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 07:51, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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the availability of capital and the demand for fish production have encouraged agricultural development. The main farming areas are Diqdaqah in Ras al-Khaimah. Falaj al Mualla in Umm al Qawain, Wadi adh Dhayd in Sharjah, Al Awir in Dubai and the coastal area of Al Fujairah. Total cultivable land is around 160,000 hectares.
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Agriculture is one of biggest sector of India and more than half of India's people are involved in it 2402:3A80:1F49:6661:B76:3A3F:4C02:29 ( talk) 13:56, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Here is an article (re-published from another credible source) about nascent farming that happened much earlier. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150722144709.htm
I believe there might be more sources to be found, so it looks like we need to incorporate this info somehow on the relevant pages. I leave it to more experienced editors, also specializing in agriculture. 2601:1C0:CB01:2660:357A:21B9:B06A:653A ( talk) 03:16, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Due to my poor eyesight I need to zoom web pages to read the text, but this article page has an over-large thumbnail (upright = 2.2) which completely fills the entire 1920 pixels of my monitor. I have to reduce my zoom to 150% before there's space for any text, but that makes the text somewhat too small for me to read the lede text. My settings do have thumbnail size set to 400px which I could reduce but then I'd have to zoom more for the normally smaller thumbnails. Could the size be reduced to something more reasonable, please? Other FA articles do not have this problem. For reference here is the thumbnail markup:
[[File:Unload wheat by the combine Claas Lexion 584.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|[[Harvest]]ing wheat with a [[combine harvester]] accompanied by a tractor and trailer]]
- 84user ( talk) 15:38, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest to replace the lead image with a collage of 4 images like we have done for other articles, so that the variety of agriculture becomes immediately visible and so that we don't just focus on large, mechanised, high-income type agriculture (as if that is "the main/the best/most common). Compare with the image collage at sewage treatment or sustainable energy or climate change adaptation. We could pick out 4 images that show a spread of geographies, sizes, type of agriculture... EMsmile ( talk) 16:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
I've just split the existing climate change section in two as one is about the effects of CC on agriculture and one is about the contributions of ag to CC. Two different things. I would be inclined to use excerpts from effects of climate change on agriculture and greenhouse gas emissions from agriculture so that we always have the latest information there - would that be OK for a WP:GA article? EMsmile ( talk) 16:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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This is a very mature article, formerly featured indeed, and peer-reviewed after that, and it is in a good state. I'd like to take it through GAN; if anyone would like to join me, they're very welcome to be co-nominators. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 19:55, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
The article says that "agriculture" has a very bad negative effect in regards to climate change. This is actually very inaccurate. It should state that animal husbandry has a very bad effect on climate change. This as it is one of the main reasons of prodiction of methane gas, one of the worst GhG gases (allot more potent than CO²). In addition, I find it's useful to also mention that life in prehistoric times had allready been killed once (globally!) trough the effect of methane gas. Appearantly, the levels for this to happen were only 5x as large, excluding other gases (ie effect of CO² emissions from transport, ...) See http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/05/07/dinosaurs-farted-their-way-to-extinction-british-scientists-say/ 91.182.243.253 ( talk) 16:43, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Agriculture as a whole is a massive contributor to climate change. An excellent [and phenomenally well-researched] book on the subject is "The Carbon Farming Solution" by Eric Toensmeier [Chelsea Green, 2016]. According to Toensmeier, "Emissions that result directly from agricultural production account for 11 to 15 percent of total greenhouse gas emissions world-wide...Land clearing and deforestation for agriculture accounts for [an additional] 15 to 18 percent." And this isn't just because we use diesel tractors or other industrial methods. "Agriculture's most damning contribution to climate change is the release of carbon held in the soil" due to deforestation and tillage. And Toensmeier's data on the subject goes on and on. There is simply no question that the vast majority of agriculture, reliant on deforestation and cultivation, is fundamentally tied to massive CO2 emissions, simply through the process of exposing soil carbon to the air, which quickly facilitates it's release into the atmosphere. There are other ways, such as no-till and agroforestry, but it's just irresponsible and wrong to argue that agriculture, as practiced most commonly, isn't a major contributor to global warming. Will Szal ( talk) 16:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Whether general agriculture has an impact or not, it is undeniable that animal agriculture is by far more harmful overall than any other form of agriculture. This ought to be reflected in the article, and yet the article does not reflect this well at all. Animal agriculture is incredibly harmful to both the environment and to humans in general, far more so than the farming of crops. See my comment above regarding this industries role in the emergence and transmission of infectious disease, for example. I can only presume the industry is gate-keeping this article and censoring out information, just like they do in all other media. As for the comment above mine, perhaps the author ought to educate themselves on carbon fixation processes in plants. How many cows do you see packed with chloroplasts?
Hi all
Perhaps there should be a section in this article for agricultural patents and even an article, it seems like an important topic. Perhaps it already exists but not under that name? I found Biological patents but that is a wider topic.
Thanks
John Cummings ( talk) 08:54, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
The Origin section of the article claims that Rye was cultivated over 13,000 years ago (Hillman, G.; Hedges, R.; Moore, A.; Colledge, S.; Pettitt, P.; Hedges; Moore; Colledge; Pettitt (2001). "New evidence of Lateglacial cereal cultivation at Abu Hureyra on the Euphrates". Holocene. 11 (4): 383–393. doi:10.1191/095968301678302823.)
I am not aware of any sources since also claiming this. The lede of the article mentions the cultivation of grains 11,500 years ago, which is my understanding. The 2001 statement should be removed; I will leave that to those who assist with this page. William Harris • (talk) • 10:06, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Wondering if industry gatekeepers are responsible for censorship on this page like they are on many other Wikipedia pages. The role of animal agriculture in the emergence and spread of infectious disease in humans seems not to be mentioned anywhere, and yet an enormous number of such diseases stem from this industries practices.
The styles used here (and in anything I've taken to GA, btw) are pages 123–129, i.e. spelt out in full (indeed, I had been led to believe by the gnomish contributions from many editors that this was the only acceptable format, but never mind); and initials Doe, J. R., i.e. fully spaced. If any instances in the article differ from that, it's an accident. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 23:16, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Agriculture is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Agriculture until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America 1000 09:26, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Chiswick Chap, you removed my content, claiming that meatpacking is not part of agriculture. This seems silly to me. Of course slaughtering is part of animal agriculture. Slaughter is defined as, killing of animals especially for food. The slaughter process is involved in both the final steps of animal husbandry and care, and the first steps of food processing. If the harvesting of crops is still part of agriculture, then it only makes sense for the harvesting of animals to be part of agriculture as well. Please return my content. RockingGeo ( talk) 07:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The section on safety is already quite long enough, and it covers safety on the farm. Welfare of food processing workers and those in food transport and supermarkets is a serious political and social concern (and deserves coverage in the encyclopedia) but it is not agriculture. Even if (for the sake of argument) we were to suppose that food processing was a component of agriculture, then meat packing would be only one small component of that subsection, and welfare of workers in meat packing would be an even smaller element of that sub-subsection, so the coverage is clearly WP:UNDUE by a large margin. But connecting welfare of people not working on a farm with a section on farm safety is already a great stretch: basically, this is simply a misplaced piece of material which does not belong in the Agriculture article. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 07:51, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
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the availability of capital and the demand for fish production have encouraged agricultural development. The main farming areas are Diqdaqah in Ras al-Khaimah. Falaj al Mualla in Umm al Qawain, Wadi adh Dhayd in Sharjah, Al Awir in Dubai and the coastal area of Al Fujairah. Total cultivable land is around 160,000 hectares.
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Agriculture is one of biggest sector of India and more than half of India's people are involved in it 2402:3A80:1F49:6661:B76:3A3F:4C02:29 ( talk) 13:56, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
Here is an article (re-published from another credible source) about nascent farming that happened much earlier. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150722144709.htm
I believe there might be more sources to be found, so it looks like we need to incorporate this info somehow on the relevant pages. I leave it to more experienced editors, also specializing in agriculture. 2601:1C0:CB01:2660:357A:21B9:B06A:653A ( talk) 03:16, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Due to my poor eyesight I need to zoom web pages to read the text, but this article page has an over-large thumbnail (upright = 2.2) which completely fills the entire 1920 pixels of my monitor. I have to reduce my zoom to 150% before there's space for any text, but that makes the text somewhat too small for me to read the lede text. My settings do have thumbnail size set to 400px which I could reduce but then I'd have to zoom more for the normally smaller thumbnails. Could the size be reduced to something more reasonable, please? Other FA articles do not have this problem. For reference here is the thumbnail markup:
[[File:Unload wheat by the combine Claas Lexion 584.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|[[Harvest]]ing wheat with a [[combine harvester]] accompanied by a tractor and trailer]]
- 84user ( talk) 15:38, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest to replace the lead image with a collage of 4 images like we have done for other articles, so that the variety of agriculture becomes immediately visible and so that we don't just focus on large, mechanised, high-income type agriculture (as if that is "the main/the best/most common). Compare with the image collage at sewage treatment or sustainable energy or climate change adaptation. We could pick out 4 images that show a spread of geographies, sizes, type of agriculture... EMsmile ( talk) 16:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
I've just split the existing climate change section in two as one is about the effects of CC on agriculture and one is about the contributions of ag to CC. Two different things. I would be inclined to use excerpts from effects of climate change on agriculture and greenhouse gas emissions from agriculture so that we always have the latest information there - would that be OK for a WP:GA article? EMsmile ( talk) 16:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)