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The current section reads like a blurb that you would read on the cover of an album. It's not encyclopedic in any sense. Can somebody please work with the sources and improve the text? Sentences like, "Don Anderson's proficiency with the language puts the band in a prime position to be able to put out stellar material from the lyrical aspect," are incompatible with an encyclopedia. "The band does not stop here though, their later work shows how adaptive they are with literary works" . . . really? Seriously? Is this a review of an album or something? This is strictly opinion. The entire section is written in this style. Raoulduke25 ( talk) 15:55, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the message from the top of the article saying that this article doesn't cite any sources or references. The article now cites six different sources, due to edits made recently. AutumnStorms ( talk) 02:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I've added an additional piece of information to the "Influences" section, as this section mentions that Agalloch uses some non-traditional instruments but does not give an example of a non-traditional instrument that they do use. I have referenced my addition to an interview in which this piece of information can be found. AutumnStorms —Preceding comment was added at 07:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
It bothers me that when I try to click through the albums, they are under the name of "Allagoch", and that this has never been changed. I'm not good enough with computers to know how to change it. I would, but someone that knows more is going to have to field this one.
Obviously there's alot of debate on the genre, but I think it's pretty much been established that as far as a main sound goes, agalloch are folk/doom metal. I don't and never will consider dark metal a genre, regardless of what any of the band members think. Taking a look at the agalloch last.fm page (www.last.fm/music/agalloch), you can see that most fan's agree. PEiP 06:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
CircafuciX, I noticed you added all those genre entries back into the article after I removed them. In the first place, I do not believe that we need any references in the infobox when references are already provided for the band's genre in the main article itself. Secondly, you've duplicated not one but two sources that I've already provided as references. You're tagging the band with seven genres which I think is a tad bit much. You've used theendrecords.com as a source for the genres of dark metal and ambient. I'm not sure if a promotional plug by a record label would qualify as a reliable source but be that as it may, there's no article page for dark metal on wikipedia and clicking on that link would take one to black metal. The entry on theendrecords.com describes the band as bridging the gap between gothic doom, black metal, neo-folk, post rock, and industrial/ambient soundscapes. That does not strikes me as a description of the band as an ambient or industrial artist but merely a description of the band using all those many styles of music as elements. So I think it's a bit misleading to list ambient as one of the genres the band is in. It would be like listing Korpiklaani as a traditional folk band when they are nothing of the kind - even though they do bridge the gap between heavy metal and traditional folk music just as Agalloch bridge the gap between all those different styles mentioned. I also have to question the post-metal tag since the review on popmatters does not even use the word but rather describes the band as combining black metal with "more melodic sounds like folk and post rock." I'm also hesitant on the neofolk tag since the allmusic.com entry use the qualify "touches" in reference to both neofolk and post-rock. In other words, I do not think the allmusic.com entry is actually saying that the band is neofolk or post-rock but that their music includes touches of neofolk and post-rock. I'm guessing you did not noticed it but I had actually changed the description of the band in the style section. I wrote "Agalloch performs a progressive and avant-garde style of folk metal that encompasses an eclectic range of tendencies including neofolk, post-rock, black metal and doom metal." Like all my other edits, it's supported by references. I think this is an accurate description of a band based on all the sources I've looked at. I have not actually listened to the band myself so I'm being quite neutral here. I believe offering that sentence on the band's style is more helpful than having seven genres listed in the infobox since a reader can very well come to the mistaken conclusion that the band plays ambient or neofolk in equal amount as they play folk or black metal when all sources that I've seen indicate otherwise. If you disagree with that perception I've gotten and hence the statement I wrote, then please let me know so that we can see what we can do to change it. I think the folk metal tag is probably sufficient in the infobox since that seems to be the one thing that everyone agrees with. Maybe one or two more other tags at the most. -- Bardin ( talk) 10:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
How about this? Let's clean up the infobox to only include genres that either meet Wikipedia's standards of reliability, whether they be cited in the infobox, or something cited in the article? With a band like this when the genre is so hard to pin down, the best thing to do is just let the sources speak for themselves. Mlillybaltimore ( talk) 20:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
How about some mention of Pantheism, which seems to influence a lot of their lyrics (they even have a song titled Pantheist). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.100.106.115 ( talk) 01:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
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Excuse me, but could we probably get a new article band picture it is out of date.
One of these perhaps?
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http://www.last.fm/music/Agalloch/+images/52107907
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Anyway the reason, is that Chris Greene left them years ago and now the drumming duties are performed by Aesop Dekker. — Preceding
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My watchlist has brought to my attention that an anonymous user edited the Agalloch wikipedia article who was under the impression that Agalloch is a progressive metal band. This was their edit. The edit summary of user 140.253.33.121 goes like this:
“ | I'm sure most people will agree that many of Agallochs songs are progressive in nature, not just the afore mentioned genre's | ” |
There are probably going to be some people who disagree with categorizing Agalloch is a progressive metal band, thus making a counterexample of the anonymous user's prediction.
So, here's the question. Part a: Is Agalloch a progressive metal band? Part b: Should the edit of anonymous user 140.253.33.121 be reverted? Part c: Considering the fact that Agalloch's music is already categorized with five different musical genres, will that affect the outcome of the decision? Thank you.
B T C 01:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Very cool. Thanks for your input. B T C 02:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous user just changed what was originally in the infobox's genre section from post rock to post-metal. I don't really know if it should be post rock, as originally placed, or if post-metal is fine as well. Understand that whatever the case, the anonymous user was editing under good faith. What are your thoughts?
Backtable Speak to Me about what I have done 02:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know about that but I added "ambient" to the genres and that's been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.129.85 ( talk) 01:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Metal Archives presently recognizes Agalloch (and other bands such as Alcest and Sólstafir) as post-metal. The Mantle in particular is texturous and crescendous in nature, which are signature elements for post-rock. The metal element obviously comes from black metal. Blizk2 ( talk) 07:23, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
written in english? Unless you can find it in hebrew. lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.133.139 ( talk) 03:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
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Whoever keeps changing agalloch to Extreme Metal must be a troll, and this topic should be locked due to that. There is a lot of argument over the distinction of their genre but extreme metal is ridiculous. Just call them a metal band. 47.225.107.81 ( talk) 19:35, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
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The current section reads like a blurb that you would read on the cover of an album. It's not encyclopedic in any sense. Can somebody please work with the sources and improve the text? Sentences like, "Don Anderson's proficiency with the language puts the band in a prime position to be able to put out stellar material from the lyrical aspect," are incompatible with an encyclopedia. "The band does not stop here though, their later work shows how adaptive they are with literary works" . . . really? Seriously? Is this a review of an album or something? This is strictly opinion. The entire section is written in this style. Raoulduke25 ( talk) 15:55, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the message from the top of the article saying that this article doesn't cite any sources or references. The article now cites six different sources, due to edits made recently. AutumnStorms ( talk) 02:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I've added an additional piece of information to the "Influences" section, as this section mentions that Agalloch uses some non-traditional instruments but does not give an example of a non-traditional instrument that they do use. I have referenced my addition to an interview in which this piece of information can be found. AutumnStorms —Preceding comment was added at 07:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
It bothers me that when I try to click through the albums, they are under the name of "Allagoch", and that this has never been changed. I'm not good enough with computers to know how to change it. I would, but someone that knows more is going to have to field this one.
Obviously there's alot of debate on the genre, but I think it's pretty much been established that as far as a main sound goes, agalloch are folk/doom metal. I don't and never will consider dark metal a genre, regardless of what any of the band members think. Taking a look at the agalloch last.fm page (www.last.fm/music/agalloch), you can see that most fan's agree. PEiP 06:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
CircafuciX, I noticed you added all those genre entries back into the article after I removed them. In the first place, I do not believe that we need any references in the infobox when references are already provided for the band's genre in the main article itself. Secondly, you've duplicated not one but two sources that I've already provided as references. You're tagging the band with seven genres which I think is a tad bit much. You've used theendrecords.com as a source for the genres of dark metal and ambient. I'm not sure if a promotional plug by a record label would qualify as a reliable source but be that as it may, there's no article page for dark metal on wikipedia and clicking on that link would take one to black metal. The entry on theendrecords.com describes the band as bridging the gap between gothic doom, black metal, neo-folk, post rock, and industrial/ambient soundscapes. That does not strikes me as a description of the band as an ambient or industrial artist but merely a description of the band using all those many styles of music as elements. So I think it's a bit misleading to list ambient as one of the genres the band is in. It would be like listing Korpiklaani as a traditional folk band when they are nothing of the kind - even though they do bridge the gap between heavy metal and traditional folk music just as Agalloch bridge the gap between all those different styles mentioned. I also have to question the post-metal tag since the review on popmatters does not even use the word but rather describes the band as combining black metal with "more melodic sounds like folk and post rock." I'm also hesitant on the neofolk tag since the allmusic.com entry use the qualify "touches" in reference to both neofolk and post-rock. In other words, I do not think the allmusic.com entry is actually saying that the band is neofolk or post-rock but that their music includes touches of neofolk and post-rock. I'm guessing you did not noticed it but I had actually changed the description of the band in the style section. I wrote "Agalloch performs a progressive and avant-garde style of folk metal that encompasses an eclectic range of tendencies including neofolk, post-rock, black metal and doom metal." Like all my other edits, it's supported by references. I think this is an accurate description of a band based on all the sources I've looked at. I have not actually listened to the band myself so I'm being quite neutral here. I believe offering that sentence on the band's style is more helpful than having seven genres listed in the infobox since a reader can very well come to the mistaken conclusion that the band plays ambient or neofolk in equal amount as they play folk or black metal when all sources that I've seen indicate otherwise. If you disagree with that perception I've gotten and hence the statement I wrote, then please let me know so that we can see what we can do to change it. I think the folk metal tag is probably sufficient in the infobox since that seems to be the one thing that everyone agrees with. Maybe one or two more other tags at the most. -- Bardin ( talk) 10:33, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
How about this? Let's clean up the infobox to only include genres that either meet Wikipedia's standards of reliability, whether they be cited in the infobox, or something cited in the article? With a band like this when the genre is so hard to pin down, the best thing to do is just let the sources speak for themselves. Mlillybaltimore ( talk) 20:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
How about some mention of Pantheism, which seems to influence a lot of their lyrics (they even have a song titled Pantheist). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.100.106.115 ( talk) 01:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
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Excuse me, but could we probably get a new article band picture it is out of date.
One of these perhaps?
http://www.last.fm/music/Agalloch/+images/62416067
http://www.last.fm/music/Agalloch/+images/52107907
http://www.last.fm/music/Agalloch/+images/4438280
Anyway the reason, is that Chris Greene left them years ago and now the drumming duties are performed by Aesop Dekker. — Preceding
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My watchlist has brought to my attention that an anonymous user edited the Agalloch wikipedia article who was under the impression that Agalloch is a progressive metal band. This was their edit. The edit summary of user 140.253.33.121 goes like this:
“ | I'm sure most people will agree that many of Agallochs songs are progressive in nature, not just the afore mentioned genre's | ” |
There are probably going to be some people who disagree with categorizing Agalloch is a progressive metal band, thus making a counterexample of the anonymous user's prediction.
So, here's the question. Part a: Is Agalloch a progressive metal band? Part b: Should the edit of anonymous user 140.253.33.121 be reverted? Part c: Considering the fact that Agalloch's music is already categorized with five different musical genres, will that affect the outcome of the decision? Thank you.
B T C 01:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Very cool. Thanks for your input. B T C 02:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous user just changed what was originally in the infobox's genre section from post rock to post-metal. I don't really know if it should be post rock, as originally placed, or if post-metal is fine as well. Understand that whatever the case, the anonymous user was editing under good faith. What are your thoughts?
Backtable Speak to Me about what I have done 02:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't know about that but I added "ambient" to the genres and that's been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.129.85 ( talk) 01:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Metal Archives presently recognizes Agalloch (and other bands such as Alcest and Sólstafir) as post-metal. The Mantle in particular is texturous and crescendous in nature, which are signature elements for post-rock. The metal element obviously comes from black metal. Blizk2 ( talk) 07:23, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
written in english? Unless you can find it in hebrew. lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.133.139 ( talk) 03:27, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
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Whoever keeps changing agalloch to Extreme Metal must be a troll, and this topic should be locked due to that. There is a lot of argument over the distinction of their genre but extreme metal is ridiculous. Just call them a metal band. 47.225.107.81 ( talk) 19:35, 31 May 2023 (UTC)