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is the recent controversy regarding the ethnicity of the actor who portrays Cleopatra noteworthy enough to be mentioned? Josephwhyman041104 ( talk) 16:32, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Believe it or not @ 2a02:2f0f:f003:4a00:641e:e8af:29c7:12a5:, her identity is not being put into question. I noticed that you didn't try to make a similar addition to Nzinga. Your addition would shift the weight towards someone who has a topic that is frequently debated, which is then mentioned much later in the article. There should not, additionally, be any more emphasis on one person in the lede. Least of all for someone who has controversy on scholarship regarding the precise nature of their race and ancestral origins. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 12:21, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
The topic isn't frequently debated, it's historical objective fact, you're on Wikipedia, go read the article for Queen Cleopatra there. 3vvww661 ( talk) 22:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Until this is accepted, your edits will be undone or a moderator will be contacted. She was a Macedonian Greek
@ 3vvww661: I am not the one who decides whether this material is really appropriate or not. This isn't my article or anything. However, her wording was not that it was pseudoscience. Therefore, I think the addition of such wording creates a false impression. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 22:22, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
While the Mary Sue is considered reliable, this particular article is a little odd when it comes to describing Colleen Darnell.
"As Tiktok user @manalmet pointed out, Dr. Colleen Manassa Darnell popped up in the trailer as one of the experts on Egypt. Dr. Darnell is a white American Egyptologist who also has an active online presence under the username “Vintage Egyptologist.” On her Instagram and YouTube channel, she shows off her vintage clothing and house. The problem? Well, the era in which she chooses to cosplay is the 1920s and 1930s. This era is synonymous with the British colonizers of Egypt essentially grave robbing ancient Egyptian artifacts. For some reason, Dr. Darnell takes her colonizer cosplay one step further and actually wears these outfits on archaeological sites."
For one, I am worried about them invoking Tiktok users. Secondly, this just seems highly opinionated. This fits in line with the description for the RS page describing it has biased or opinionated. Normally, I would just suggest attributing it as "D.R. Medlen states..." However, this is about a living person, and some of the source appears to be from Tiktok, so I think the standard for including this particular material at all should be somewhat higher. We could use other material from this article, however. What does everyone else think? I noticed the dubious tag, but no discussion was brought forth. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 13:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Spinixster ( talk · contribs) 14:38, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I will be reviewing this article. Review will be coming up shortly.
Yeah, unfortunately, I'm going to have to quickfail this article. Other than what Gerard has said, here are some things you can do to improve the article:
Overall, the article lacks a lot of things, and per the GACR, it will have to be quickfailed. If you need examples of articles to reference while improving African Queens, Sea Monsters (TV series) and TransGeneration are two similar articles. There are also other articles that exist, just check WP:GA. Good luck! Spinixster (chat!) 01:30, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
I've had to remove bad sources from the article that make it into a WP:SYNTH-riddled personal essay:
for subjects in the authors' areas of expertise. Makkar is a marketing lecturer.
The sourcing seems very like the goal was to write a WP:SYNTH-riddled personal essay and grab any sources that the editor thought supported the essay thesis.
This sort of puffery is why the article just failed at GA - David Gerard ( talk) 12:04, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
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is the recent controversy regarding the ethnicity of the actor who portrays Cleopatra noteworthy enough to be mentioned? Josephwhyman041104 ( talk) 16:32, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Believe it or not @ 2a02:2f0f:f003:4a00:641e:e8af:29c7:12a5:, her identity is not being put into question. I noticed that you didn't try to make a similar addition to Nzinga. Your addition would shift the weight towards someone who has a topic that is frequently debated, which is then mentioned much later in the article. There should not, additionally, be any more emphasis on one person in the lede. Least of all for someone who has controversy on scholarship regarding the precise nature of their race and ancestral origins. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 12:21, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
The topic isn't frequently debated, it's historical objective fact, you're on Wikipedia, go read the article for Queen Cleopatra there. 3vvww661 ( talk) 22:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC) Until this is accepted, your edits will be undone or a moderator will be contacted. She was a Macedonian Greek
@ 3vvww661: I am not the one who decides whether this material is really appropriate or not. This isn't my article or anything. However, her wording was not that it was pseudoscience. Therefore, I think the addition of such wording creates a false impression. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 22:22, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
While the Mary Sue is considered reliable, this particular article is a little odd when it comes to describing Colleen Darnell.
"As Tiktok user @manalmet pointed out, Dr. Colleen Manassa Darnell popped up in the trailer as one of the experts on Egypt. Dr. Darnell is a white American Egyptologist who also has an active online presence under the username “Vintage Egyptologist.” On her Instagram and YouTube channel, she shows off her vintage clothing and house. The problem? Well, the era in which she chooses to cosplay is the 1920s and 1930s. This era is synonymous with the British colonizers of Egypt essentially grave robbing ancient Egyptian artifacts. For some reason, Dr. Darnell takes her colonizer cosplay one step further and actually wears these outfits on archaeological sites."
For one, I am worried about them invoking Tiktok users. Secondly, this just seems highly opinionated. This fits in line with the description for the RS page describing it has biased or opinionated. Normally, I would just suggest attributing it as "D.R. Medlen states..." However, this is about a living person, and some of the source appears to be from Tiktok, so I think the standard for including this particular material at all should be somewhat higher. We could use other material from this article, however. What does everyone else think? I noticed the dubious tag, but no discussion was brought forth. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 13:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Spinixster ( talk · contribs) 14:38, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello! I will be reviewing this article. Review will be coming up shortly.
Yeah, unfortunately, I'm going to have to quickfail this article. Other than what Gerard has said, here are some things you can do to improve the article:
Overall, the article lacks a lot of things, and per the GACR, it will have to be quickfailed. If you need examples of articles to reference while improving African Queens, Sea Monsters (TV series) and TransGeneration are two similar articles. There are also other articles that exist, just check WP:GA. Good luck! Spinixster (chat!) 01:30, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
I've had to remove bad sources from the article that make it into a WP:SYNTH-riddled personal essay:
for subjects in the authors' areas of expertise. Makkar is a marketing lecturer.
The sourcing seems very like the goal was to write a WP:SYNTH-riddled personal essay and grab any sources that the editor thought supported the essay thesis.
This sort of puffery is why the article just failed at GA - David Gerard ( talk) 12:04, 6 August 2023 (UTC)