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Who said the flight number? Who said the weather conditions. There are no references to verify any of those. DragonFire1024 ( talk) 02:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The aircraft graphic of an unrelated Pulkovo 737-500 should not have ended up moved in the infobox of an Aeroflot air crash. Use your brain and consider the implications of potential misrepresentation. Please remove the graphic from the infobx and place as it was before, separate of the infobox. If a suitable foto surfaces, fine. If one never shows up, we sure won't give an unwitting impression that some other Russian airlline had a hull loss. -- Mareklug talk 06:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be more information coming out about the crash. They lost contact at 1100 metres, caught fire at 1000 metres, and crashed, on fire 'like a comet' at a 30-40 degree angle. This suggests a fairly sudden and catastrophic fire. We should look out for more info in this area. Buckethed ( talk) 11:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be no consensus on the fatalities; though common after an accident of this kind, we're still putting forward alot of contradictory information. I've compiled a list below from the sources in the article.
This while the infobox and nationality list states 91 casualties, including six crew. I can't seem to find any nationality list from a reliable source. Since the major news outlets agree with the operator on 82 passengers and 6 crew, I've changed the info box to reflect this untill figures are confirmed. As for the nationality box, we need some reliable figures. Nigholith ( talk) 15:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
It is the low-cost regional airline, known as Aeroflot-Nord. Surely the name of the article should be Aeroflot-Nord Flight 821? -- Asterion talk 16:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The Aeroflot website confirms this WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:23, 14 September 2008
Two of my students were on this plane. Could someone please identify the American that was killed?
Could you translate this for me please? TAYMETOV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.87.196 ( talk) 20:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
When I was in Russia traveling between Moscow and Perm on Aeroflot, my surname was translated from English to Russian on the flight manifest and my visa, I believe that this is a Russian translation of an American surname. Please verify. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.87.196 ( talk) 20:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The passenger's full name is Bobir TAYMETOV (there is a string where it says "TAYMETOV / BOBIR") WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
OK, I am just going to ask it, is this a possible Russian translation of the English name Bruce? I knew a Bruce that was working in Berezniki who was/is an American from Texas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.92.250.111 ( talk) 16:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
"According to controller's interview given shortly after the disaster, the crew did not respond correctly to ATC commands: they decided to go around despite the flight being cleared for landing, and it turned eastward instead of turning westward."
A rewording is needed because this sentence is technically incorrect. The pilot in command has full authority to make a decision to go around at any time, even if cleared by ATC to land. A clearence is just that, it is not a command. ATC has authority to deny permission to land, but it has no authority to force an airplane to do so.
I have no opinion on the turning east instead of west part. I refrain myself from editing because I do not have any knownledge on this accident that is remotely close to first hand. CW ( talk) 16:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
The section Last minutes of flight sounds contrary to earlier information in the article, reported in English-language media and stated in the Aviation Safety Network: that the aircraft lost communications at 5:10 local time at 3600 feet and crashed a half and hour later. Could someone who reads Russian better than I do reconcile the two? Is this section a hoax? -- Mareklug talk 04:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The AAIB are assisting with the investigation into the accident. Mjroots ( talk) 15:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Whatsonxiamen.com (the company that owned the plane before it was set off to Aeroflight) said a Latvian died in the crash. 68.205.177.67 ( talk) 21:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Could someone check the callsign> I'm sure VP refers to the United Kingdom per the ITU prefix. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it true that the pilot had the same last name as the Russian President? i.e. Medvedev? or is this a sick joke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.91.213.131 ( talk) 00:38, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
I think the article dwells too much about possible fire in the engine. This is just a preliminary version, and what eyewitnesses thought was a fire, was just the extremely bright landing lights. The most possible reason of crash is stall resulting from failure to monitor the airspeed. -- Anthony Ivanoff ( talk) 19:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Checklist:
While the article does have have a structure, it's not linear. The article skips from describing the accident and investigation to a 2nd level heading for an NTSB investigation to a lawsuit to the last minutes of the flight to crew information...
Probably a better structure would be:
This was the only problem I found with this otherwise fine article. Well done! -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 03:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
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The video on this incident by Petter Hörnfeldt on his Mentour Pilot Youtube channel is entirely appropriate to be on this page, as it's this particular flight's incident, and it's very much "In Popular Culture". Cathalferris ( talk) 17:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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Who said the flight number? Who said the weather conditions. There are no references to verify any of those. DragonFire1024 ( talk) 02:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The aircraft graphic of an unrelated Pulkovo 737-500 should not have ended up moved in the infobox of an Aeroflot air crash. Use your brain and consider the implications of potential misrepresentation. Please remove the graphic from the infobx and place as it was before, separate of the infobox. If a suitable foto surfaces, fine. If one never shows up, we sure won't give an unwitting impression that some other Russian airlline had a hull loss. -- Mareklug talk 06:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be more information coming out about the crash. They lost contact at 1100 metres, caught fire at 1000 metres, and crashed, on fire 'like a comet' at a 30-40 degree angle. This suggests a fairly sudden and catastrophic fire. We should look out for more info in this area. Buckethed ( talk) 11:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be no consensus on the fatalities; though common after an accident of this kind, we're still putting forward alot of contradictory information. I've compiled a list below from the sources in the article.
This while the infobox and nationality list states 91 casualties, including six crew. I can't seem to find any nationality list from a reliable source. Since the major news outlets agree with the operator on 82 passengers and 6 crew, I've changed the info box to reflect this untill figures are confirmed. As for the nationality box, we need some reliable figures. Nigholith ( talk) 15:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
It is the low-cost regional airline, known as Aeroflot-Nord. Surely the name of the article should be Aeroflot-Nord Flight 821? -- Asterion talk 16:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The Aeroflot website confirms this WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:23, 14 September 2008
Two of my students were on this plane. Could someone please identify the American that was killed?
Could you translate this for me please? TAYMETOV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.87.196 ( talk) 20:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
When I was in Russia traveling between Moscow and Perm on Aeroflot, my surname was translated from English to Russian on the flight manifest and my visa, I believe that this is a Russian translation of an American surname. Please verify. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.87.196 ( talk) 20:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The passenger's full name is Bobir TAYMETOV (there is a string where it says "TAYMETOV / BOBIR") WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
OK, I am just going to ask it, is this a possible Russian translation of the English name Bruce? I knew a Bruce that was working in Berezniki who was/is an American from Texas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.92.250.111 ( talk) 16:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
"According to controller's interview given shortly after the disaster, the crew did not respond correctly to ATC commands: they decided to go around despite the flight being cleared for landing, and it turned eastward instead of turning westward."
A rewording is needed because this sentence is technically incorrect. The pilot in command has full authority to make a decision to go around at any time, even if cleared by ATC to land. A clearence is just that, it is not a command. ATC has authority to deny permission to land, but it has no authority to force an airplane to do so.
I have no opinion on the turning east instead of west part. I refrain myself from editing because I do not have any knownledge on this accident that is remotely close to first hand. CW ( talk) 16:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
The section Last minutes of flight sounds contrary to earlier information in the article, reported in English-language media and stated in the Aviation Safety Network: that the aircraft lost communications at 5:10 local time at 3600 feet and crashed a half and hour later. Could someone who reads Russian better than I do reconcile the two? Is this section a hoax? -- Mareklug talk 04:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The AAIB are assisting with the investigation into the accident. Mjroots ( talk) 15:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Whatsonxiamen.com (the company that owned the plane before it was set off to Aeroflight) said a Latvian died in the crash. 68.205.177.67 ( talk) 21:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Could someone check the callsign> I'm sure VP refers to the United Kingdom per the ITU prefix. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it true that the pilot had the same last name as the Russian President? i.e. Medvedev? or is this a sick joke? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.91.213.131 ( talk) 00:38, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
I think the article dwells too much about possible fire in the engine. This is just a preliminary version, and what eyewitnesses thought was a fire, was just the extremely bright landing lights. The most possible reason of crash is stall resulting from failure to monitor the airspeed. -- Anthony Ivanoff ( talk) 19:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Checklist:
While the article does have have a structure, it's not linear. The article skips from describing the accident and investigation to a 2nd level heading for an NTSB investigation to a lawsuit to the last minutes of the flight to crew information...
Probably a better structure would be:
This was the only problem I found with this otherwise fine article. Well done! -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 03:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
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The video on this incident by Petter Hörnfeldt on his Mentour Pilot Youtube channel is entirely appropriate to be on this page, as it's this particular flight's incident, and it's very much "In Popular Culture". Cathalferris ( talk) 17:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)