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Refs are generally discouraged in the infobox for genres; you should write that info out in the body instead plus [2] and [3] don't call the album progressive pop (don't know about [4] since I can't access) and [3] sources electropop
We actually both misinterpreted [3]. It's only describes a single track as having sections of electropop, and brings up that it has an aspect of electro-prog, not that it's of the genre. Since I couldn't find an article about "electro-prog," I went with electronic. I have removed it given the other genres of progressive are described in the other reviews. Genre names are confusing and odd, I tell ya
HumanxAnthro (
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15:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
In the concept and sound section, I wrote that it was an progressive electronic album. [4] describes it as progressive synthpop, [5] describes it as "electro-prog," and [6] describes it as consisting of "electronic and progressive rock experimentations." I found these descriptors nearly synonymous and combined them. I mean, "electro-prog" pretty much means electronic progressive, because even the most experience music writers use electro to mean electronic.
HumanxAnthro (
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15:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately, there isn't a section for the version named "I Am A Camera", just general sections about the development and release of both versions.
HumanxAnthro (
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17:45, 20 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Wikilink
progressive electronic per
MOS:LINK2SECT but I am confused about the genre; why is only this listed when the infobox sources other genres?
Similarly to the other singles point, move the info about "Lenny"
Add a sentence after the retrospective reviews one mentioning the accompanying singles that were released, with relevant info
I addressed comments about the singles sentences. The reason I discussed the singles' performances in the sentence about the contemporaneous reviews because I viewed the singles commercial as part of the album's reception.
HumanxAnthro (
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14:53, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"for their 2011 studio album Fly from Here." → "for their twentieth studio album, Fly from Here (2011)." and keep this as the closing sentence of the para
Easy mistake to make writing in your native form of English for an article, but make sure to always follow that of the performer (I have had to adapt myself as a Brit editing American musician's articles).
"and on the day Adventures was to begin recording," → "On the day that recording of Adventures in Modern Recording was set to begin," to avoid a run-on sentence
Change to Adventures in Modern Recording though, as abbreviations are not supposed to be given unless it's a surname or acronym. --
K. Peake10:31, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
[2] should be solely at the end of the para due to backing up all of the parts after [3]
Actually, [2] doesn't, and doing what you're suggesting here would cause a "not-in-citation-given" scenario. Although you may not be able to read it now since Google Books now changes what pages get previewed, ref 2 only mentions the start of recording demos and Downes' transition into Asia. Ref 3 (the trevorhorn.com feature) is the one that discusses the Buggles' fallout with Island Records, how Horn felt about it, and what new label he signed onto to get the second album produced and released.
The writing, drum programming and keyboards parts are not mentioned by the source so remove or add appropriate ref(s)
I've added liner notes in the section to fix the issues. I thought all of those credits were mentioned in the Trevorhorn.com article, but apparently I haven't remembered everything about it.
HumanxAnthro (
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22:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
The keyboardist credit, percussion and sound effects being for those specific tracks is unsourced, plus don't think the latter of the three should be surrounded by speech marks
I've cited the liner notes that do bring up these credits. The Ian Peel source just indicates what notable contributors were on the album, but weren't too specific what those contributions were.
HumanxAnthro (
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22:44, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Numerous
MOS:QUOTE issues within this section; remember, this applies to commas too
Apart from the commas, I'm not seeing them. Most of the sentences only use partial quotes within mostly paraphrased sentences, and if there is a full quote, it's because it's way too oddball to be paraphrased. The bot that provided copyvio score you presented at the bottom is way too sensitive. Also, the last two of the three paragraphs don't even have any quotes
HumanxAnthro (
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17:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"During the production of" → "During the recording of" to avoid repetitive wording
Actually, that would make the sentence more rep- or, you know what, I'll just change Adventures in Modern Recording to "the album" to make it less repetitive.
HumanxAnthro (
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17:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Remove wikilink on Vermillion Sands due to it being the wrong article, plus shouldn't Hotel be capitalised per the source?
I've decided to remove this because, frankly, Peel's source did not do a good job clarifying how the band related to the Vermillion Sands story.
HumanxAnthro (
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11:08, 20 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"for Adventures, but" → "for Adventures in Modern Recording, but"
This is my fault for not clarifying, but I wasn't giving the fictional band a genre. I used "house band" in the sense that they were the players of the hotel. Plus, I don't think house was an established genre in 1981. I'll rewrite this.
HumanxAnthro (
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16:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"It was one of the first" → "The album was one of the first"
Nope. That discusses a different technique that the album doesn't use. Adventures in Modern Recording used the Fairlight CMI, which is a
Sampler (musical instrument). Two different things. Sampling (music) would use a technique a lot of hip hop uses, which is using loops of already-recorded songs. Adventures in Modern Recording doesn't have any of those moments.
HumanxAnthro (
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16:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"it was unable to" → "It was unable to" per the new sentence, but where do any of the sources mention this? If none do, then remove it because an album not charting only has notability if specifically written about.
The album not being a success in the UK is discussed (albeit a little bit) in The Face citation plus the Ian Peel source. I presume the album not charting would be an example of this and made notable by those two citations. You also know details don't have to be "notable" per se, it's the main topic of the article that has to been notable to be written about.
HumanxAnthro (
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20:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"and singles of the title track and" → "while the title track and"
The France and Netherlands parts for the album's performance are not sourced, plus remove comma after the Netherlands and place any ref solely at the end of the sentence before [26]
You might've missed it during spotchecking, but the album being a success in France is from the Ian Peel source, although it may not have come up in your word searching if you put in "France" since Trevor Horn used "French people" to label the country: "For the UK at least, he was right and the singles met a muted reaction. But in Europe it was a different story. “Certainly French people loved the album,”" Also added citation for Netherlands performance.
HumanxAnthro (
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20:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
HumanxAnthro You are spot on; I did check that sources but didn't notice the French part and you still need to remove the comma after the Netherlands per British English. --
K. Peake08:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"certified
gold in Canada for sales of 5,000 units,[27] and" → "certified gold in Canada by
Music Canada (MC) for sales of 5,000 units and" for correct context, plus move [27] to being solely after the comma before [28]
HumanxAnthro This is referring to when you have the punctuation inside the speech marks when not quoting full sentences, such as "Yes-style pomposity." for starters. Also, you have accidentally placed punctuation inside the title "Beatnik" at other points in this article, just to note. --
K. Peake08:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Remove this because a table is not warranted for it in the album article, plus you have written out commercial info for these in prose
Since there were such few coverage about much of the singles and they only garnered small position for one-to-two charts each, I merged them in this article in the same way Homogenic incorporated singles positions.
HumanxAnthro (
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13:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Copyvio score looks dangerously high at 62.3% due to ref 3; cut down the level of quoting to fix this and use paraphrasing to avoid heavy removal
The score is not-at-all accurate the more you look at it. Only one long quote is used on this article and attributed; all the other supposed copyvios this bot suggests are only names of people and albums that both sources mention, not specific phrases that are copied without attribution from ref 3. Not a good tool to use, IMO.
HumanxAnthro (
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12:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Make sure all of these that can be are archived by using the tool
Unfortunately, some sources aren't possible to do this. The print sources obviously don't have archive links since they're, ya know, print sources; trying to archive Lulu.com results in error messages; and The Quietus has disallowed the Internet Archive to archive its site..
HumanxAnthro (
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13:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
On hold until all of the issues are fixed, but it was nice to see your response so far while the review was ongoing! --
K. Peake10:31, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
HumanxAnthro That is understandable, but you still need to pipe singles to
Single (music), change Adventures to the full album title, change The Morning Call part to "a more positive reviewer for" in the case we don't know the name and fix
MOS:QUOTE issues with Stannard's review. --
K. Peake08:42, 21 March 2021 (UTC)reply
HumanxAnthro✓Pass now, there was only one issue with the wording in the lead but I copyedited that in for you. Congratulations on another GA, but I extend my praise to how thorough you were in your response to my comments! --
K. Peake12:09, 21 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Hey, as an album that didn't get much attention, this is actually the most complete article there could be on the topic. Thank you so much!
HumanxAnthro (
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12:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)reply
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Refs are generally discouraged in the infobox for genres; you should write that info out in the body instead plus [2] and [3] don't call the album progressive pop (don't know about [4] since I can't access) and [3] sources electropop
We actually both misinterpreted [3]. It's only describes a single track as having sections of electropop, and brings up that it has an aspect of electro-prog, not that it's of the genre. Since I couldn't find an article about "electro-prog," I went with electronic. I have removed it given the other genres of progressive are described in the other reviews. Genre names are confusing and odd, I tell ya
HumanxAnthro (
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15:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
In the concept and sound section, I wrote that it was an progressive electronic album. [4] describes it as progressive synthpop, [5] describes it as "electro-prog," and [6] describes it as consisting of "electronic and progressive rock experimentations." I found these descriptors nearly synonymous and combined them. I mean, "electro-prog" pretty much means electronic progressive, because even the most experience music writers use electro to mean electronic.
HumanxAnthro (
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15:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately, there isn't a section for the version named "I Am A Camera", just general sections about the development and release of both versions.
HumanxAnthro (
talk)
17:45, 20 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Wikilink
progressive electronic per
MOS:LINK2SECT but I am confused about the genre; why is only this listed when the infobox sources other genres?
Similarly to the other singles point, move the info about "Lenny"
Add a sentence after the retrospective reviews one mentioning the accompanying singles that were released, with relevant info
I addressed comments about the singles sentences. The reason I discussed the singles' performances in the sentence about the contemporaneous reviews because I viewed the singles commercial as part of the album's reception.
HumanxAnthro (
talk)
14:53, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"for their 2011 studio album Fly from Here." → "for their twentieth studio album, Fly from Here (2011)." and keep this as the closing sentence of the para
Easy mistake to make writing in your native form of English for an article, but make sure to always follow that of the performer (I have had to adapt myself as a Brit editing American musician's articles).
"and on the day Adventures was to begin recording," → "On the day that recording of Adventures in Modern Recording was set to begin," to avoid a run-on sentence
Change to Adventures in Modern Recording though, as abbreviations are not supposed to be given unless it's a surname or acronym. --
K. Peake10:31, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
[2] should be solely at the end of the para due to backing up all of the parts after [3]
Actually, [2] doesn't, and doing what you're suggesting here would cause a "not-in-citation-given" scenario. Although you may not be able to read it now since Google Books now changes what pages get previewed, ref 2 only mentions the start of recording demos and Downes' transition into Asia. Ref 3 (the trevorhorn.com feature) is the one that discusses the Buggles' fallout with Island Records, how Horn felt about it, and what new label he signed onto to get the second album produced and released.
The writing, drum programming and keyboards parts are not mentioned by the source so remove or add appropriate ref(s)
I've added liner notes in the section to fix the issues. I thought all of those credits were mentioned in the Trevorhorn.com article, but apparently I haven't remembered everything about it.
HumanxAnthro (
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22:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
The keyboardist credit, percussion and sound effects being for those specific tracks is unsourced, plus don't think the latter of the three should be surrounded by speech marks
I've cited the liner notes that do bring up these credits. The Ian Peel source just indicates what notable contributors were on the album, but weren't too specific what those contributions were.
HumanxAnthro (
talk)
22:44, 18 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Numerous
MOS:QUOTE issues within this section; remember, this applies to commas too
Apart from the commas, I'm not seeing them. Most of the sentences only use partial quotes within mostly paraphrased sentences, and if there is a full quote, it's because it's way too oddball to be paraphrased. The bot that provided copyvio score you presented at the bottom is way too sensitive. Also, the last two of the three paragraphs don't even have any quotes
HumanxAnthro (
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17:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"During the production of" → "During the recording of" to avoid repetitive wording
Actually, that would make the sentence more rep- or, you know what, I'll just change Adventures in Modern Recording to "the album" to make it less repetitive.
HumanxAnthro (
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17:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Remove wikilink on Vermillion Sands due to it being the wrong article, plus shouldn't Hotel be capitalised per the source?
I've decided to remove this because, frankly, Peel's source did not do a good job clarifying how the band related to the Vermillion Sands story.
HumanxAnthro (
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11:08, 20 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"for Adventures, but" → "for Adventures in Modern Recording, but"
This is my fault for not clarifying, but I wasn't giving the fictional band a genre. I used "house band" in the sense that they were the players of the hotel. Plus, I don't think house was an established genre in 1981. I'll rewrite this.
HumanxAnthro (
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16:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"It was one of the first" → "The album was one of the first"
Nope. That discusses a different technique that the album doesn't use. Adventures in Modern Recording used the Fairlight CMI, which is a
Sampler (musical instrument). Two different things. Sampling (music) would use a technique a lot of hip hop uses, which is using loops of already-recorded songs. Adventures in Modern Recording doesn't have any of those moments.
HumanxAnthro (
talk)
16:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"it was unable to" → "It was unable to" per the new sentence, but where do any of the sources mention this? If none do, then remove it because an album not charting only has notability if specifically written about.
The album not being a success in the UK is discussed (albeit a little bit) in The Face citation plus the Ian Peel source. I presume the album not charting would be an example of this and made notable by those two citations. You also know details don't have to be "notable" per se, it's the main topic of the article that has to been notable to be written about.
HumanxAnthro (
talk)
20:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"and singles of the title track and" → "while the title track and"
The France and Netherlands parts for the album's performance are not sourced, plus remove comma after the Netherlands and place any ref solely at the end of the sentence before [26]
You might've missed it during spotchecking, but the album being a success in France is from the Ian Peel source, although it may not have come up in your word searching if you put in "France" since Trevor Horn used "French people" to label the country: "For the UK at least, he was right and the singles met a muted reaction. But in Europe it was a different story. “Certainly French people loved the album,”" Also added citation for Netherlands performance.
HumanxAnthro (
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20:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
HumanxAnthro You are spot on; I did check that sources but didn't notice the French part and you still need to remove the comma after the Netherlands per British English. --
K. Peake08:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)reply
"certified
gold in Canada for sales of 5,000 units,[27] and" → "certified gold in Canada by
Music Canada (MC) for sales of 5,000 units and" for correct context, plus move [27] to being solely after the comma before [28]
HumanxAnthro This is referring to when you have the punctuation inside the speech marks when not quoting full sentences, such as "Yes-style pomposity." for starters. Also, you have accidentally placed punctuation inside the title "Beatnik" at other points in this article, just to note. --
K. Peake08:14, 20 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Remove this because a table is not warranted for it in the album article, plus you have written out commercial info for these in prose
Since there were such few coverage about much of the singles and they only garnered small position for one-to-two charts each, I merged them in this article in the same way Homogenic incorporated singles positions.
HumanxAnthro (
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13:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Copyvio score looks dangerously high at 62.3% due to ref 3; cut down the level of quoting to fix this and use paraphrasing to avoid heavy removal
The score is not-at-all accurate the more you look at it. Only one long quote is used on this article and attributed; all the other supposed copyvios this bot suggests are only names of people and albums that both sources mention, not specific phrases that are copied without attribution from ref 3. Not a good tool to use, IMO.
HumanxAnthro (
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12:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Make sure all of these that can be are archived by using the tool
Unfortunately, some sources aren't possible to do this. The print sources obviously don't have archive links since they're, ya know, print sources; trying to archive Lulu.com results in error messages; and The Quietus has disallowed the Internet Archive to archive its site..
HumanxAnthro (
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13:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
On hold until all of the issues are fixed, but it was nice to see your response so far while the review was ongoing! --
K. Peake10:31, 19 March 2021 (UTC)reply
HumanxAnthro That is understandable, but you still need to pipe singles to
Single (music), change Adventures to the full album title, change The Morning Call part to "a more positive reviewer for" in the case we don't know the name and fix
MOS:QUOTE issues with Stannard's review. --
K. Peake08:42, 21 March 2021 (UTC)reply
HumanxAnthro✓Pass now, there was only one issue with the wording in the lead but I copyedited that in for you. Congratulations on another GA, but I extend my praise to how thorough you were in your response to my comments! --
K. Peake12:09, 21 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Hey, as an album that didn't get much attention, this is actually the most complete article there could be on the topic. Thank you so much!
HumanxAnthro (
talk)
12:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)reply