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The article states that Hitler wanted to "commit suicide with her", but the according to the source backing the claim, he planned to commit suicide and kill Isak against her will. Normally when person A kills person B in a murder-suicide we don't say that person A "committed suicide with person B". I think the current wording is misleading. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa ( talk) 19:48, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I just finished with my improvement of this article in my sandbox and implemented the whole lot. However, I don't think the article matches the GA-criteria (as I had hoped it would by the time my improvement was done). I will ask for some copy edits for this article and do my best to ensure it reaches GA-status. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • ( speak to me!) 12:43, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Calvin999 ( talk · contribs) 09:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Kubizek claims that, "Stefanie had no idea how deeply Adolf was in love with her; she regarded him as a somewhat shy, but nevertheless remarkably tenacious and faithful, admirer. When she responded with a smile to his inquiring glance, he was happy and his mood became unlike anything I had ever observed in him. But when Stefanie, as happened just as often, coldly ignored his gaze, he was crushed and ready to destroy himself and the whole world."[3]
Hitler finally stated he planned to kidnap Stefanie and kill both her and himself by jumping off a bridge into the Danube.[2][6] Instead he moved to Vienna, where an idealised image of Stefanie became his moral touchstone.[7][2]
Stefanie stated in later interviews that she was unaware of Hitler at the time, but that she had received an anonymous love letter asking her to wait for him to graduate and then to marry him, which she only realised after being questioned about him, must have been from Hitler.[7] She recalled:
→ Make this one paragraph instead of splitting it off into small bits.
I think there is too much usage of the block quote with the large quotation marks. Three in an article this short is too much. Also, could the Adolf Hitler template not be added to the bottom of the article, and she included in it? This article is a bit of stub at the moment. Other than that, on hold for 7 days. — ₳aron 17:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
This website [1] has a scan from a German or Austrian newspaper where she is said to be still alive at age 85 and living in Vienna, which musta been in 1972. The scan also has a photo of her at age 85. Also, Kubizek's book was not "heavily edited" during the Nazi era, as his memoirs that the Nazis asked him about never came to be prior to 1945. In the pretext to his 1954 book, he writes that he didn't begin to write it down prior to the early 1950s. The only thing that the Daily Mail can be used as a source for is the statement that it has been published in many languages. -- 79.242.222.168 ( talk) 16:52, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
An editor has added citations from two books, one in Italian and one in Spanish, which merely mention Rabatsch in passing in the context of Kubizek's book, but make no further contribution to the content of the article. I have removed them as WP:UNDUE. I welcome opinions of other editors. Best, -- Smerus ( talk) 18:57, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Comment: My main issue with this article is that it is not actually a WP:BIO. The overwhelming majority of the content is about: *Scholarly reactions and *Kubizek's Hitler book and *not about the stated subject of the article. Also, the images are problematic - they are both sourced from the "1973 Austro-German television documentary called, "Ein junger Mann aus dem Innviertel, Der junge Adolf Hitler"." A couple of issues: *neither image is a verified/confirmed photo of the woman and *both images were contained in a media-production from 1973 so there could possibly be a copyright problem (since the photos weren't published in any sense until 1973). Shearonink ( talk) 21:07, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
@ BlueMoonset: I agree in principle with your move, but to conform to WP standards the article should be entitled Adolf Hitler and Stefanie Rabatsch (see here for examples of other articles involving Adolf Hitler) - will you move it again, or shall I? In fact I wonder now whther it would not be better to consider a merge of this article with Sexuality of Adolf Hitler - as the content of the present article 'Hitler and Stefanie Rabatsch' is actually very slight, and is only in fact of any interest in the consext of the sexuality article. Best, -- Smerus ( talk) 13:09, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment I have a lot of experience with Good and Featured articles. In my opinion this article looks sufficient and has acceptable coverage for GA. The Scholarly reactions section demonstrates notability, making it unfeasible to merge into Sexuality of Hitler article.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:36, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Let's leave the content that is supported by the sources. The last deletion, with edit comment "del; not supported by citation", removed
The cited source, Zumbo's book, reads:
That is clear enough. The content is relevant in this section, showing a non-English historian giving credence to Kubizek. I am at a loss to understand the obsession with trying to delete this article, downgrade it from GA, merge it into another or prune it to the bare minimum. Time to drop the stick and back slowly away. Aymatth2 ( talk) 12:01, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
How do we know for sure when she died? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.77.113.161 ( talk) 21:05, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Change to just "Stephanie Rabatsch". Though the Hitler interactions are obvious a main focus, he page is biographical of her and should be named as such. - Volvlogia ( talk) 20:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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The article states that Hitler wanted to "commit suicide with her", but the according to the source backing the claim, he planned to commit suicide and kill Isak against her will. Normally when person A kills person B in a murder-suicide we don't say that person A "committed suicide with person B". I think the current wording is misleading. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa ( talk) 19:48, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I just finished with my improvement of this article in my sandbox and implemented the whole lot. However, I don't think the article matches the GA-criteria (as I had hoped it would by the time my improvement was done). I will ask for some copy edits for this article and do my best to ensure it reaches GA-status. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • ( speak to me!) 12:43, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Calvin999 ( talk · contribs) 09:28, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Kubizek claims that, "Stefanie had no idea how deeply Adolf was in love with her; she regarded him as a somewhat shy, but nevertheless remarkably tenacious and faithful, admirer. When she responded with a smile to his inquiring glance, he was happy and his mood became unlike anything I had ever observed in him. But when Stefanie, as happened just as often, coldly ignored his gaze, he was crushed and ready to destroy himself and the whole world."[3]
Hitler finally stated he planned to kidnap Stefanie and kill both her and himself by jumping off a bridge into the Danube.[2][6] Instead he moved to Vienna, where an idealised image of Stefanie became his moral touchstone.[7][2]
Stefanie stated in later interviews that she was unaware of Hitler at the time, but that she had received an anonymous love letter asking her to wait for him to graduate and then to marry him, which she only realised after being questioned about him, must have been from Hitler.[7] She recalled:
→ Make this one paragraph instead of splitting it off into small bits.
I think there is too much usage of the block quote with the large quotation marks. Three in an article this short is too much. Also, could the Adolf Hitler template not be added to the bottom of the article, and she included in it? This article is a bit of stub at the moment. Other than that, on hold for 7 days. — ₳aron 17:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
This website [1] has a scan from a German or Austrian newspaper where she is said to be still alive at age 85 and living in Vienna, which musta been in 1972. The scan also has a photo of her at age 85. Also, Kubizek's book was not "heavily edited" during the Nazi era, as his memoirs that the Nazis asked him about never came to be prior to 1945. In the pretext to his 1954 book, he writes that he didn't begin to write it down prior to the early 1950s. The only thing that the Daily Mail can be used as a source for is the statement that it has been published in many languages. -- 79.242.222.168 ( talk) 16:52, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
An editor has added citations from two books, one in Italian and one in Spanish, which merely mention Rabatsch in passing in the context of Kubizek's book, but make no further contribution to the content of the article. I have removed them as WP:UNDUE. I welcome opinions of other editors. Best, -- Smerus ( talk) 18:57, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Comment: My main issue with this article is that it is not actually a WP:BIO. The overwhelming majority of the content is about: *Scholarly reactions and *Kubizek's Hitler book and *not about the stated subject of the article. Also, the images are problematic - they are both sourced from the "1973 Austro-German television documentary called, "Ein junger Mann aus dem Innviertel, Der junge Adolf Hitler"." A couple of issues: *neither image is a verified/confirmed photo of the woman and *both images were contained in a media-production from 1973 so there could possibly be a copyright problem (since the photos weren't published in any sense until 1973). Shearonink ( talk) 21:07, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
@ BlueMoonset: I agree in principle with your move, but to conform to WP standards the article should be entitled Adolf Hitler and Stefanie Rabatsch (see here for examples of other articles involving Adolf Hitler) - will you move it again, or shall I? In fact I wonder now whther it would not be better to consider a merge of this article with Sexuality of Adolf Hitler - as the content of the present article 'Hitler and Stefanie Rabatsch' is actually very slight, and is only in fact of any interest in the consext of the sexuality article. Best, -- Smerus ( talk) 13:09, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment I have a lot of experience with Good and Featured articles. In my opinion this article looks sufficient and has acceptable coverage for GA. The Scholarly reactions section demonstrates notability, making it unfeasible to merge into Sexuality of Hitler article.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:36, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Let's leave the content that is supported by the sources. The last deletion, with edit comment "del; not supported by citation", removed
The cited source, Zumbo's book, reads:
That is clear enough. The content is relevant in this section, showing a non-English historian giving credence to Kubizek. I am at a loss to understand the obsession with trying to delete this article, downgrade it from GA, merge it into another or prune it to the bare minimum. Time to drop the stick and back slowly away. Aymatth2 ( talk) 12:01, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
How do we know for sure when she died? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.77.113.161 ( talk) 21:05, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Change to just "Stephanie Rabatsch". Though the Hitler interactions are obvious a main focus, he page is biographical of her and should be named as such. - Volvlogia ( talk) 20:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)