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The first paragraph of the "Life at Guantanamo" section appears to be presented as factual but the only source given is something called "Poems from Guantanamo" which is sourced from Amnesty International (A.I.). When I went to the linked page I could not find anything called "Poems from Guantanamo." To attempt to factually represent a situation like conditions at a prison using now-unavailable poetry from the A.I. website seems to me very highly suspect without additional evidence/sourcing. It is nothing more than hearsay. Further, this article does not make clear why A.I. is used as a source nor does it establish the objectivity of A.I. as a source. Having followed the Gitmo prisoner issues somewhat closely during the 2000s, I recall that A.I. was often politically opposed to the United States, placing into question A.I.'s objectivity and reliability.
I would submit that a lot more work needs to be done in this section. As I recall from the news reports of that day, prisoners were treated reasonably well at Guantanamo Bay; Muslim prisoners were given korans and prayer rugs, allowed to pray 5 times a day, fed a Muslim diet, and so forth. This contrasts sharply with utterly inhumane conditions in which Americans who were captured by Al-Qaida or ISIS were held, if they came back alive at all. Tpkatsa ( talk) 00:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Replaced transcluded image with inline image - {{ npov}} tag as per dispute on Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption. Geo Swan 14:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I think default sort is a mistake for individuals with Arabic names.
People with Arabic names don't inherit a surname, like people with an European do. Traditionally the closest thing they have to a "last name" is their father's first name.
And it is absolutely clear to me that it is a mistake to use default sort for the Guantanamo captives -- because the US Department of Defense can't consistently figure out what their names are.
Therefore I just reverted an edit where a well-meaning contributor imposed default sort on this individual.
Please don't impose default sort on these guys without discussing it first.
Cheers! Geo Swan ( talk) 05:52, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know which of the given names is correct, but this article's title is definitely wrong and a DoD error. Arabic names don't really end with "Abd", it is always followed by "-ul" or "-al", and then one of the 99 names of Allah. Abd-al Kareem (servant of the charitable), etc. Suggest a rename to the name by which he identified himself. Sherurcij ( speaker for the dead) 04:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
These links to the page numbers within the OARDEC documents may be useful to other contributors. Geo Swan ( talk) 22:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
CSRT allegations | 58 |
CSRT transcript | 85-93 |
habeas documents | 1-40, 56-79 |
ARB 1 allegations | 110-111 |
ARB 1 transcript | 46-54 |
ARB 2 allegations | 33-34 |
ARB 3 allegations | 74-75 |
ARB 3 transcript | 76-81 |
I suggest to move this article to Allal Ab Aljallil Abd al Rahman. Not much of a change. Just the "Abd" at the end will drop. The NYTimes source and other reliable secondary sources support this version. IQinn ( talk) 02:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
As a courtesy to other contributors could we please discuss controversial edits on the talk page, not in the edit summaries?
When I started to update this article I found a lead section that was too long, and did not use fully populated references.
The lead section did not comply with the consensus at [1] at the WP:Help desk.
Another contributor has restored much of the problematic original wording, without attempting to discuss why they think this wording is superior.
Following this edit the lead section is again too long.
With this edit they added an {{ importance}} tag, even though the importance of documenting multiple names has been explained to them literally dozens of times, and they have never chosen to offer a meaningful response.
This edit directly contradicts our WP:RS.
This edit changed the neutral term "captive" with the biased term "detainee". Geo Swan ( talk) 06:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
He died shortly after noon, 2012-09-08. That death was reported 48 hours later on 2012-09-10, and his name 72 hours later on 2012-09-11. Geo Swan ( talk) 19:32, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
In the course of making [ these edits] other contributors unnecessarily reformatted the articles references. This is hardly ever necessary, and it is hardly ever a good idea.
I reverted them. Only after reverting them would a diff show how many actual changes to the article's content were made in those edits. Geo Swan ( talk) 17:01, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
I will try to move things around to do this, and will insert the standard mainstream sources when that makes sense (and it usually does). Haberstr ( talk) 08:49, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
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The first paragraph of the "Life at Guantanamo" section appears to be presented as factual but the only source given is something called "Poems from Guantanamo" which is sourced from Amnesty International (A.I.). When I went to the linked page I could not find anything called "Poems from Guantanamo." To attempt to factually represent a situation like conditions at a prison using now-unavailable poetry from the A.I. website seems to me very highly suspect without additional evidence/sourcing. It is nothing more than hearsay. Further, this article does not make clear why A.I. is used as a source nor does it establish the objectivity of A.I. as a source. Having followed the Gitmo prisoner issues somewhat closely during the 2000s, I recall that A.I. was often politically opposed to the United States, placing into question A.I.'s objectivity and reliability.
I would submit that a lot more work needs to be done in this section. As I recall from the news reports of that day, prisoners were treated reasonably well at Guantanamo Bay; Muslim prisoners were given korans and prayer rugs, allowed to pray 5 times a day, fed a Muslim diet, and so forth. This contrasts sharply with utterly inhumane conditions in which Americans who were captured by Al-Qaida or ISIS were held, if they came back alive at all. Tpkatsa ( talk) 00:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Replaced transcluded image with inline image - {{ npov}} tag as per dispute on Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption. Geo Swan 14:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I think default sort is a mistake for individuals with Arabic names.
People with Arabic names don't inherit a surname, like people with an European do. Traditionally the closest thing they have to a "last name" is their father's first name.
And it is absolutely clear to me that it is a mistake to use default sort for the Guantanamo captives -- because the US Department of Defense can't consistently figure out what their names are.
Therefore I just reverted an edit where a well-meaning contributor imposed default sort on this individual.
Please don't impose default sort on these guys without discussing it first.
Cheers! Geo Swan ( talk) 05:52, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know which of the given names is correct, but this article's title is definitely wrong and a DoD error. Arabic names don't really end with "Abd", it is always followed by "-ul" or "-al", and then one of the 99 names of Allah. Abd-al Kareem (servant of the charitable), etc. Suggest a rename to the name by which he identified himself. Sherurcij ( speaker for the dead) 04:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
These links to the page numbers within the OARDEC documents may be useful to other contributors. Geo Swan ( talk) 22:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
CSRT allegations | 58 |
CSRT transcript | 85-93 |
habeas documents | 1-40, 56-79 |
ARB 1 allegations | 110-111 |
ARB 1 transcript | 46-54 |
ARB 2 allegations | 33-34 |
ARB 3 allegations | 74-75 |
ARB 3 transcript | 76-81 |
I suggest to move this article to Allal Ab Aljallil Abd al Rahman. Not much of a change. Just the "Abd" at the end will drop. The NYTimes source and other reliable secondary sources support this version. IQinn ( talk) 02:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
As a courtesy to other contributors could we please discuss controversial edits on the talk page, not in the edit summaries?
When I started to update this article I found a lead section that was too long, and did not use fully populated references.
The lead section did not comply with the consensus at [1] at the WP:Help desk.
Another contributor has restored much of the problematic original wording, without attempting to discuss why they think this wording is superior.
Following this edit the lead section is again too long.
With this edit they added an {{ importance}} tag, even though the importance of documenting multiple names has been explained to them literally dozens of times, and they have never chosen to offer a meaningful response.
This edit directly contradicts our WP:RS.
This edit changed the neutral term "captive" with the biased term "detainee". Geo Swan ( talk) 06:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
He died shortly after noon, 2012-09-08. That death was reported 48 hours later on 2012-09-10, and his name 72 hours later on 2012-09-11. Geo Swan ( talk) 19:32, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
In the course of making [ these edits] other contributors unnecessarily reformatted the articles references. This is hardly ever necessary, and it is hardly ever a good idea.
I reverted them. Only after reverting them would a diff show how many actual changes to the article's content were made in those edits. Geo Swan ( talk) 17:01, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
I will try to move things around to do this, and will insert the standard mainstream sources when that makes sense (and it usually does). Haberstr ( talk) 08:49, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
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