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Since it PRECEDES Tunnel under the World, this is an utterly bizarre statement. It is P. Dick's theme.
I'd recommend deleting the first External Site listed (phillipkdickfans.com) as it triggered warnings from both McAfee and Google. The Google warning reads in part:
Is there a guideline for this? (The malware may have been installed by a third party, but it's there nonetheless.)
I found Image:Adjustment team.jpg and noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. Someone will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If it was obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.
As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{ GFDL-self-no-disclaimers}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{ non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.
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I deleted the comparison to the film Dark City after reading the article on that film. Left what there currently is of a plot synopsis largely as a gap filler until I (or someone else) has time to write a plot synopsis. To me this appears to have been written by someone who hasn't read the story and didn't get the information from an accurate source. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 15:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Plot synopsis seems to need a fix. It says "Sector T69 is scheduled for adjustment" which doesn't make sense in the context of the entire synopsis and also differs from other sources: "Sector T137 is scheduled for adjustment". I have not read the short story, so I would defer to someone who has. 192.182.211.138 ( talk) 23:08, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
LOOP4321, your sole Wickipedia contributions have been to remove references to Copyright Registration Number RE0000190631 related copyright status in Adjustment Team. The section is verifiably referenced with reliable sources and it is notable that the story is in the public domain. You have not made edit summaries about deleting this text section or discussed this on the talk page. If you are editing in good faith please explain your reason for deleting this section. I believe Wickipedia has a feature to request opinions from disinterested editors when editors of an article cannot agree on something. If necessary we could do something of that sort to resolve this amicably. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 10:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
69.108.83.187, if you have valid objections to the sections you deleted please explain those objections on the talk page. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 07:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
69.108.83.187, if you have valid objections to the sections you deleted please discuss those objections on the talk page. Unexplained deletions of verified, notable and/or relevant information is not proper behavior on Wikipedia. Repeatedly doing so is even less acceptable behavior. Please read some of the editing guidelines and discuss whatever issues you perceive here at the talk page if you are acting in good faith. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 23:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the "refimprove" tag because I believe the article's references have been improved enough that the tag is no longer appropriate. Comments about this are welcome. If it is believed the tag removal was not justified, I'd appreciate some explanation of what further improvements are needed to justify the tag's removal. If it was inappropriate for me to make the decision since it is based on references I've added, please inform me of that and where it would be correct to ask for a tag's removal in such a situation. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 09:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I added the facsimile version from wikimedia commons, and a text version someone put together (link to text version was accidentally found here : http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/04/10/first-look-the-adjustment-bureau/ )
As this works is public domain in the USA, it will allows US residents to read and use the text in any way they feel necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.239.164.161 ( talk) 19:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Reading this article, the non-plot summary portions of it seems to be mostly about the copyright renewal status of the work. Even the section about the upcoming movie adaptation is mostly about copyright and renewal.
Is this really the major item of interest about the story? Is there any external references that show concern over copyright status? One or two sentences about it, fine, but I certainly don't see why copyright status requires a large paragraph in the movie adaptation section: It's out of copyright - fine, Universal and Electric Shepard have as much rights to make the movie as anyone; It's not out of copyright - fine, Universal has the blessings of Dick's heirs, and have rights to make the movie. The copyright status is irrelevant to the movie. The only reason I see to mention copyright in connection with the movie is if the copyright status was at issue when making the film - say Universal wanted to make the film independently, but were forced to bring on Electric Shepard because of the uncertain copyright, or Warner Brothers were also making a version, but were forced to can it because of uncertain copyright. Absent those sorts of issues (attested to by external reliable sources), I don't see why the copyright status takes such a prominent position in the article - especially as it is presented so dryly. The whole discussion seems more like a position paper (original research and point-of-view pushing on the part of Wikipedians), than an encyclopedia article. -- 174.24.195.38 ( talk) 23:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
There was a link to an online version of the text a few days ago which no longer appears on the page. I believe the debate over public domain status is resolved, and would like to inquire as to why the link was removed. -- Redknight ( talk) 15:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I added "United States" to one sentence for clarification. I also changed section title back to "Copyright status and copyfraud" which more accurately reflects content.
The Canadian copyright status of the story (and derivative works), the basis for claim of copyright and who the Canadian copyright would belong to if valid is a recent topic of discussion due to a DMCA notice. As noted at http://www.sffaudio.com/?p=28808&cpage=1, DMCA is not Canadian law but a DMCA notice was used anyway. Copyfraud is relevant to all the subjects because the story may be protected by copyright in Canada based on the original 1954 copyright but the Canadian copyright holder may not be The Philip K. Dick Testamentary Trust because there may not have been a valid transfer of rights from the author's children to The Philip K. Dick Testamentary Trust under Canadian law. Similar issues concerning who owns the rights could exist in other nations which don't apply the rule of the shorter term to US works. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 00:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
What connection does the author quote have to this work? The quote doesn't seem relevant to Adjustment Team in any way. -- Pemilligan ( talk) 18:34, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
...is now unreadable, seems MOSTLY irrelavent and doesn't belong here. I don't get it? Can someone better at this stuff than me tidy it up? Greg1138 ( talk) 04:27, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Citation 6 is not valid. It is just a citation of copyright law. It does not back up the statement that the copyright for the book is out of force. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.110.112.2 ( talk) 18:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
I see above there has been previous discussion of the copyright section. I've removed it, which seems to be in line with the opinion of most commenters above. We don't normally give the copyright status of works, though I think it might be OK to leave in an unambiguous statement that "the work is in the public domain". Anything beyond that is original research and/or synthesis. I agree it's interesting, but unless this evidence is assembled and printed by a reliable source I don't see how we can reasonably include this material. The opinion at the NORN noticeboard was also in favour of removal. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 02:02, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I partly agree with you. I think we agree that searching for information about copyright is something we can do independently of sources, and the results can be used to determine that a scanned magazine cover can be used. (By the way, please ask if you'd like me to scan something in -- I have a fairly good collection of old magazines and books including some of the PKD paperbacks and many of the magazines his work appeared in.)
Perhaps it's just that the statement as it stands is longer than I think the material justifies. Here's a summary of what you added (apologies if this is a bit imprecise, but it's just a summary):
'Adjustment Team' is in the public domain in the US as the original copyright has expired without a renewal. A copyright entry was created for it in 1956 that is invalid as it records the story as having been printed in Imaginative Tales instead of Orbit; this led to an appearance of copyright protection, and rights to the story were being sold as late as 2009.
I could imagine someone taking issue with several points here -- for example, "in the public domain" is currently being contested by that lawsuit (about which I have no opinion); what if the plaintiffs win and the story is determined not to be in the public domain? Surely we should simply state that the copyright status is being disputed? I think it would be OK to simply point out in a footnote that the original copyright was not renewed per a search, and the second copyright statement includes the wrong magazine.
So how about rewriting what you had to look like this:
"Adjustment Team"'s copyright status is currently in dispute. The original story does not appear to have had its copyright renewed, and a copyright entry that was created for it in 1956 records the story as having been printed in Imaginative Tales instead of Orbit, which is incorrect. The story was assumed to be in copyright, and rights to the story were acquired by Media Rights Capital, but subsequently they decided that the story was in fact in the public domain and demanded the return of the money they paid to Dick's estate. The estate has sued, claiming that the 1954 publication was unauthorized and does not count for the purposes of determining copyright.
That makes no value judgment about anyone's claim, just records what the primary sources say and what the LA Times says. What do you think? Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 02:16, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
'Adjustment Team' is in the public domain in the US as the original copyright has expired without a renewal. A copyright entry was created for it in 1956 that is invalid as it records the story as having been printed in Imaginative Tales instead of Orbit; this led to an appearance of copyright protection, and rights to the story were being sold as late as 2009.
This is not an accurate summary. "Adjustment Team" was properly copyrighted in 1954 and two contributions by other authors were validly renewed in 1982. A Copyright Catalog search for Registration Number B00000486659 will show these. Checking for renewals of stories was how I found the "blanket copyright" of the magazine issue and that there was no PCW renewal of the magazine. The only US copyright registration for "Adjustment Team" published in Imaginative Tales was "created" in 1983 along with 22 other false "creations". There are no 1955 registrations for them, they were all published in 1954 with copyright notice and the blanket copyright registration numbers for the alledged 1955 publications are just claimed in 1983 to give the appearance the stories had their copyright registrations renewed before they entered the public domain. No matter which shell you lift you won't find a pea under it.
Let me try and explain why the section about the public domain status of the story is original research. You, Refrigerator Heaven, have gone to the primary sources (the copyright records) and have drawn a conclusion and have made that argument within the article itself. You have not cited any secondary sources (e.g., a news article, a legal journal) where someone else (i.e., a recognized expert) has drawn that conclusion. What's supposed to happen we tell the reader what reliable sources say. Instead, what's happening here is that this article says "We can say that the copyright has expired on this because we checked all the copyright records and could not find the renewal anywhere."
This is going to sound odd, but nobody is really doubting that your analysis is correct. The story is probably in the public domain. You just cannot argue the case in the article. You cannot even lay out the proof (as you have done) and lead the reader to conclusion you want. Here's the kicker: Let's say we want to include the entire text of the story in Wikisource. If you were to do that and then make your case that the copyright has expired, that would be totally permissible and you'd probably convince enough people that it would be kept. In fact, this sort of armchair analysis happens all the time on Commons with respect to the copyright status of images.
Think about it another way: There are a number of very experienced editors who are telling you this is original research—myself, R'n'B, Sandstein, Mike Christie, Dmcq and Zero (the last two from the noticeboard). Meanwhile, nobody else is defending your position. Consensus clearly dictates that this section is out of line with policy. howcheng { chat} 08:38, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Some of the old content is gone and not all will be restored. New content is being added. It's a very good resource again and safe to link to. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 12:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no information in the article about the copyright and fraud related lawsuits and other disputes related to this story? Why all the opposition to mentioning copyright status in the article? 199.250.57.231 ( talk) 01:49, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
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Since it PRECEDES Tunnel under the World, this is an utterly bizarre statement. It is P. Dick's theme.
I'd recommend deleting the first External Site listed (phillipkdickfans.com) as it triggered warnings from both McAfee and Google. The Google warning reads in part:
Is there a guideline for this? (The malware may have been installed by a third party, but it's there nonetheless.)
I found Image:Adjustment team.jpg and noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. Someone will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If it was obtained it from a website, then a link to the website from which it was taken, together with a restatement of that website's terms of use of its content, is usually sufficient information. However, if the copyright holder is different from the website's publisher, then their copyright should also be acknowledged.
As well as adding the source, please add a proper copyright licensing tag if the file doesn't have one already. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{ GFDL-self-no-disclaimers}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{ non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.
If there are other files on this page, consider checking that they have specified their source and are tagged properly, too. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the image is copyrighted under a non-free license (per Wikipedia:Fair use) then the image will be deleted 48 hours after 16:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC). If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 16:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Image:Adjustment team.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 16:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I deleted the comparison to the film Dark City after reading the article on that film. Left what there currently is of a plot synopsis largely as a gap filler until I (or someone else) has time to write a plot synopsis. To me this appears to have been written by someone who hasn't read the story and didn't get the information from an accurate source. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 15:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Plot synopsis seems to need a fix. It says "Sector T69 is scheduled for adjustment" which doesn't make sense in the context of the entire synopsis and also differs from other sources: "Sector T137 is scheduled for adjustment". I have not read the short story, so I would defer to someone who has. 192.182.211.138 ( talk) 23:08, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
LOOP4321, your sole Wickipedia contributions have been to remove references to Copyright Registration Number RE0000190631 related copyright status in Adjustment Team. The section is verifiably referenced with reliable sources and it is notable that the story is in the public domain. You have not made edit summaries about deleting this text section or discussed this on the talk page. If you are editing in good faith please explain your reason for deleting this section. I believe Wickipedia has a feature to request opinions from disinterested editors when editors of an article cannot agree on something. If necessary we could do something of that sort to resolve this amicably. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 10:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
69.108.83.187, if you have valid objections to the sections you deleted please explain those objections on the talk page. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 07:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
69.108.83.187, if you have valid objections to the sections you deleted please discuss those objections on the talk page. Unexplained deletions of verified, notable and/or relevant information is not proper behavior on Wikipedia. Repeatedly doing so is even less acceptable behavior. Please read some of the editing guidelines and discuss whatever issues you perceive here at the talk page if you are acting in good faith. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 23:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the "refimprove" tag because I believe the article's references have been improved enough that the tag is no longer appropriate. Comments about this are welcome. If it is believed the tag removal was not justified, I'd appreciate some explanation of what further improvements are needed to justify the tag's removal. If it was inappropriate for me to make the decision since it is based on references I've added, please inform me of that and where it would be correct to ask for a tag's removal in such a situation. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 09:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I added the facsimile version from wikimedia commons, and a text version someone put together (link to text version was accidentally found here : http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/04/10/first-look-the-adjustment-bureau/ )
As this works is public domain in the USA, it will allows US residents to read and use the text in any way they feel necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.239.164.161 ( talk) 19:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Reading this article, the non-plot summary portions of it seems to be mostly about the copyright renewal status of the work. Even the section about the upcoming movie adaptation is mostly about copyright and renewal.
Is this really the major item of interest about the story? Is there any external references that show concern over copyright status? One or two sentences about it, fine, but I certainly don't see why copyright status requires a large paragraph in the movie adaptation section: It's out of copyright - fine, Universal and Electric Shepard have as much rights to make the movie as anyone; It's not out of copyright - fine, Universal has the blessings of Dick's heirs, and have rights to make the movie. The copyright status is irrelevant to the movie. The only reason I see to mention copyright in connection with the movie is if the copyright status was at issue when making the film - say Universal wanted to make the film independently, but were forced to bring on Electric Shepard because of the uncertain copyright, or Warner Brothers were also making a version, but were forced to can it because of uncertain copyright. Absent those sorts of issues (attested to by external reliable sources), I don't see why the copyright status takes such a prominent position in the article - especially as it is presented so dryly. The whole discussion seems more like a position paper (original research and point-of-view pushing on the part of Wikipedians), than an encyclopedia article. -- 174.24.195.38 ( talk) 23:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
There was a link to an online version of the text a few days ago which no longer appears on the page. I believe the debate over public domain status is resolved, and would like to inquire as to why the link was removed. -- Redknight ( talk) 15:15, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I added "United States" to one sentence for clarification. I also changed section title back to "Copyright status and copyfraud" which more accurately reflects content.
The Canadian copyright status of the story (and derivative works), the basis for claim of copyright and who the Canadian copyright would belong to if valid is a recent topic of discussion due to a DMCA notice. As noted at http://www.sffaudio.com/?p=28808&cpage=1, DMCA is not Canadian law but a DMCA notice was used anyway. Copyfraud is relevant to all the subjects because the story may be protected by copyright in Canada based on the original 1954 copyright but the Canadian copyright holder may not be The Philip K. Dick Testamentary Trust because there may not have been a valid transfer of rights from the author's children to The Philip K. Dick Testamentary Trust under Canadian law. Similar issues concerning who owns the rights could exist in other nations which don't apply the rule of the shorter term to US works. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 00:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
What connection does the author quote have to this work? The quote doesn't seem relevant to Adjustment Team in any way. -- Pemilligan ( talk) 18:34, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
...is now unreadable, seems MOSTLY irrelavent and doesn't belong here. I don't get it? Can someone better at this stuff than me tidy it up? Greg1138 ( talk) 04:27, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Citation 6 is not valid. It is just a citation of copyright law. It does not back up the statement that the copyright for the book is out of force. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.110.112.2 ( talk) 18:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
I see above there has been previous discussion of the copyright section. I've removed it, which seems to be in line with the opinion of most commenters above. We don't normally give the copyright status of works, though I think it might be OK to leave in an unambiguous statement that "the work is in the public domain". Anything beyond that is original research and/or synthesis. I agree it's interesting, but unless this evidence is assembled and printed by a reliable source I don't see how we can reasonably include this material. The opinion at the NORN noticeboard was also in favour of removal. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 02:02, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I partly agree with you. I think we agree that searching for information about copyright is something we can do independently of sources, and the results can be used to determine that a scanned magazine cover can be used. (By the way, please ask if you'd like me to scan something in -- I have a fairly good collection of old magazines and books including some of the PKD paperbacks and many of the magazines his work appeared in.)
Perhaps it's just that the statement as it stands is longer than I think the material justifies. Here's a summary of what you added (apologies if this is a bit imprecise, but it's just a summary):
'Adjustment Team' is in the public domain in the US as the original copyright has expired without a renewal. A copyright entry was created for it in 1956 that is invalid as it records the story as having been printed in Imaginative Tales instead of Orbit; this led to an appearance of copyright protection, and rights to the story were being sold as late as 2009.
I could imagine someone taking issue with several points here -- for example, "in the public domain" is currently being contested by that lawsuit (about which I have no opinion); what if the plaintiffs win and the story is determined not to be in the public domain? Surely we should simply state that the copyright status is being disputed? I think it would be OK to simply point out in a footnote that the original copyright was not renewed per a search, and the second copyright statement includes the wrong magazine.
So how about rewriting what you had to look like this:
"Adjustment Team"'s copyright status is currently in dispute. The original story does not appear to have had its copyright renewed, and a copyright entry that was created for it in 1956 records the story as having been printed in Imaginative Tales instead of Orbit, which is incorrect. The story was assumed to be in copyright, and rights to the story were acquired by Media Rights Capital, but subsequently they decided that the story was in fact in the public domain and demanded the return of the money they paid to Dick's estate. The estate has sued, claiming that the 1954 publication was unauthorized and does not count for the purposes of determining copyright.
That makes no value judgment about anyone's claim, just records what the primary sources say and what the LA Times says. What do you think? Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 02:16, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
'Adjustment Team' is in the public domain in the US as the original copyright has expired without a renewal. A copyright entry was created for it in 1956 that is invalid as it records the story as having been printed in Imaginative Tales instead of Orbit; this led to an appearance of copyright protection, and rights to the story were being sold as late as 2009.
This is not an accurate summary. "Adjustment Team" was properly copyrighted in 1954 and two contributions by other authors were validly renewed in 1982. A Copyright Catalog search for Registration Number B00000486659 will show these. Checking for renewals of stories was how I found the "blanket copyright" of the magazine issue and that there was no PCW renewal of the magazine. The only US copyright registration for "Adjustment Team" published in Imaginative Tales was "created" in 1983 along with 22 other false "creations". There are no 1955 registrations for them, they were all published in 1954 with copyright notice and the blanket copyright registration numbers for the alledged 1955 publications are just claimed in 1983 to give the appearance the stories had their copyright registrations renewed before they entered the public domain. No matter which shell you lift you won't find a pea under it.
Let me try and explain why the section about the public domain status of the story is original research. You, Refrigerator Heaven, have gone to the primary sources (the copyright records) and have drawn a conclusion and have made that argument within the article itself. You have not cited any secondary sources (e.g., a news article, a legal journal) where someone else (i.e., a recognized expert) has drawn that conclusion. What's supposed to happen we tell the reader what reliable sources say. Instead, what's happening here is that this article says "We can say that the copyright has expired on this because we checked all the copyright records and could not find the renewal anywhere."
This is going to sound odd, but nobody is really doubting that your analysis is correct. The story is probably in the public domain. You just cannot argue the case in the article. You cannot even lay out the proof (as you have done) and lead the reader to conclusion you want. Here's the kicker: Let's say we want to include the entire text of the story in Wikisource. If you were to do that and then make your case that the copyright has expired, that would be totally permissible and you'd probably convince enough people that it would be kept. In fact, this sort of armchair analysis happens all the time on Commons with respect to the copyright status of images.
Think about it another way: There are a number of very experienced editors who are telling you this is original research—myself, R'n'B, Sandstein, Mike Christie, Dmcq and Zero (the last two from the noticeboard). Meanwhile, nobody else is defending your position. Consensus clearly dictates that this section is out of line with policy. howcheng { chat} 08:38, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Some of the old content is gone and not all will be restored. New content is being added. It's a very good resource again and safe to link to. Refrigerator Heaven ( talk) 12:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no information in the article about the copyright and fraud related lawsuits and other disputes related to this story? Why all the opposition to mentioning copyright status in the article? 199.250.57.231 ( talk) 01:49, 13 September 2012 (UTC)