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@ Darreg Hello, The author & editor of this page has a WP:COI with subject of the article of which she had affirmed by statement made indicting herself as subject's manager. from this, i believe, as per wikipedia guidelines and polices, she should not even be contributing majorly to this page. Indeed the article was created by the AFC process, but she has failed to indicate this in the article's talk page as per WP:DISCLOSE and has chosen not to develop the encylopedia by continously adding unsourced text to a WP:BLP despite imperative advice from both @ Jamie Tubers & Versace1608. I'm sorry Darreg but the tag would be re-included until she follows due process and ceases actions in tune with disruptive editing. until the editor Msjazzyfed has accomplished the pre-requisites, i think it is only plausible the COI tag remains. Celestina007 ( talk) 16:51, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Darreg @ Jamie Tubers okay its cool. Celestina007 ( talk) 21:57, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello Darreg, I see your point about, about people's saying they are a year older even though their birth month is 3,4 or 6 months away. But that is people and their preferences and what they want to tell others, This is an article which users require basic facts like date of birth. Frankly, news articles or especially Nigerian One's tend not to get people's birth year right. What I am saying is your point is based on subjective reasoning not objective because this is clearly a fact.
She was 29 in January 2016, her birth date 22nd February in 2016(the following month) she turns 30. Now 2017, comes 22 February 2017 she is 31. We are now in May. So I do not get this whole argument, but if we are to follow your logic then by now she should be saying she is 31, because her birthday was 3 months ago , so there is no need for her to say that "I am about to turn.."(the next age). In general terms,even if some people like to fast forward their age even though their birth month has not yet arrived, does not mean articles will follow suit. We will continue to say the person's current age until their birthday arrives. So please let's not base it on what people want their age to be.
Example- Right now I am 20 years old. My birthday is in December, were I will turn 21. Your argument is that, if I were such people who want to fast forward their age (which I personally find odd, because everyone is trying to be young so why increase your age or try to be older). I would go around telling people between now and late November that I am 21 years old. But what I am saying is if you were doing an article or story on me today, you would say I am 20 years old, because that is simply the truth. I am nowhere near 21 years old, until December, so it would be wrong for you the article to refer to me as 21. That will be just bad journalism. So we need to base it on facts, pure hard facts, not people' s subjective truths about themselves. If we are honest people do not even like to admit the truth to themselves, so if you are doing a story on me just state my current age as of now, as in PRESENT TENSE not FUTURE TENSE. Also, if we are not adding her birth year, please remove the year from the Google webpage as whenever you type her name on Google 1988 appears on the results page, which is just false and misleading. Also please take down that website citation next to her date of birth, because that should third party site is wrong on all levels and should not even be compared tot he source I provided on YouTube. As first the date in which it was published is 2015 that alone shows it is far from credible and next to the year of birth it still has 29 next to 1988. That means she was also 29 in 2015. So I endeavour you to please banish that link from her Wikipedia page because it is just all wrong.
Though I agree that you need a source that states her year of birth. I would still argue that we have all the proof that we need but in the meanwhile her year of birth should not be included because as proven it is definitely not 1988. But as stated above just because some people decide to fast forward something does not mean we should follow them and we should report in the present not future. Plus Adesua Etomi seems like a direct person, and once asked how old she is she would not hesitate to say her real and current age, not make estimations. In developed countries, when writing your date of birth they work with your current age. Kufuor101 ( talk) 00:20, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello Darreg, in response to the changes I made on the Adesua Etomi page. I am new to Wikipedia and I am still learning how to navigate and familiarise myself with Wiki's operations. Hence I apologise if I have not inserted a reference. I know that she was born in 1986, and my source is from pulse nigeria, were she did a full 17 minute interview(available on YouTube) stating that she was 29 years old-this was in January 2016. So she is now 31. But as stated earlier I am still learning so I am not familiar with citations. So she was 29 at the time (January 2016) and today she is 31 years old. I recommend you watch the interview to verify my source. Kufuor101 ( talk) 02:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello Jamie Tubers, this is the YouTube link to her full pulse Nigeria interview: The minutes in which she states her age were between 7:04-7:07, in which she was asked who inspires her. This is were she states she is 29 years old, in January 2016!! Now I would appreciate it if you please do not take a rude and condescending tone with me, with the language you used on my talk page, as I said on Darreg's talk page, I am new and still learning to navigate Wikipedia and its operations. On the otherhand, whilst on the subject of accurate citations and sources, which you are very serious about, as a experienced contributor on Wikipedia (by looking through your user page and talk page), I reckon that you would want accurate sources, so I find it surprising that her year of birth(1988), which you are defending aggressively, I clicked on the citation link, and it led me to a third party website, which is a combination of different sources I assume from various sources. Though most of the information on that site is quite factual. But I want you to judge fairly, and choose which source is more accurate: will it be my source which is full in depth interview from the subject (Adesua Etomi), who with her OWN MOUTH stated her age on a reputable entertainment blog like Pulse Nigeria OR are you going to take information from a third party site all in all the name of wanting to be right. Please be the judge because as wiki contributors, you owe thousands of readers the truth. Enough said.. Like I said the video is on YouTube freely available to verify yourself. No need for me to lie. The edit page is not allowing my to post the link otherwise it would not save but as I said it is on YouTube with the specific minutes I have stated on this post. Kufuor101 ( talk) 22:26, 22 May 2017 (UTC).
The name of the YouTube video is: Full Interview: Nollywood Actress Adesua Etomi Chats With Pulse TV. As stated again the exact minutes she states her age is between 7:04-7:07. Remember this was in January 2016. Thanks. Kufuor101 ( talk) 22:46, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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I would just like to say, that frankly it is quite disappointing that as wiki contributors we have decided that even if a fact is obvious, we quote sources that have clearly misrepresented the facts. The fact that a news article like Punch or Naij.com cites or misrepresents facts such as date of birth, does not make it right. It just means that these organisations have incompetent, lazy journalists who do not verify and cross examine their information. These people need to be fired. I cannot believe that you as a contributor will be a participant in spreading FAKE NEWS. The reason i say this is because, how can you people still think she is 29 based on news articles who have clearly not done their research. A saying goes a first fool is a fool, the 2nd fool more foolish the third is the bigger fool. An interview which she declares her age as 29 years old in january 2016, and now it turns out that she is 29 again in 2017. Please think about it. Does it make sense that she has been 29 years old for 2 years in a row. Come on that is ridiculous and insane. In life my fellow author you are supposed to question everything you read, hear and see. You just do not passively accept it, you have to be critical of everything you see and hear . That is the difference between someone who is of higer intelligence and low intelligence regardless of educational background. Even, if we were to go by your explanation that people state their upcoming age even before their birthday arrives. Then she should be 30 by now. I mean i am sorry u are not making sense. Look even the most reliable media organisations such as Forbes magazine, Okayafrica, vogue any information they release must be scrutinised and i am sure they have made errors in the past. But what distinguishes credible news articles from ones who are just plain incompetent is first they carry out thorough and extensive research to verify their claims. Secondly is their ability to admit they were wrong if they spread false information. Because as a country and a continent as a whole we must get rid of the spirit of incompetence and mediocrity for us to progress and reach our maximum potential. Look just think about it and ponder, i know the last thing we want is to mislead the readers. A word to the wise is enough. Kufuor101 ( talk) 16:39, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello, firstly i appreciate Versace1608 seeing my point of view and clearly understands the reality that news organisations have journalists who are lazy and do not want to do research. Again Versace1608 understands that she just cannot be 29 years old for 2 years old
I have realised something about, you Jamie Tubers upon reviewing your user talk page. You are a strong willed person by nature, who aggressively defends your beliefs even if it is not totally accurate. That is a great trait if it is channelled towards positive and inspiring causes or issues, you can be a great instrument for success and a great asset. But if channelled in a wrong way, you can be a great tool for destruction and chaos as well. Look i mean no disrespect. Its just that whilst i can admire you are strong willed. I cannot help but say that you are promoting falsehoods and that my friend is very dangerous. I completely understand your stance on this issue. You are suggesting we accept all of these reliable sources such as Punch.ng, Naij.com who are stating that she was born in 1988. We should accept these sources regardless even if journalists did a crappy job by producing lazy work and did not carry out extensive research. That is a very disturbing thing to suggest that we should believe these secondary sources for news outlets (who should be ashamed for allowing unverified facts to be published, thereby putting their credibility on the line.) But honestly, how do you believe these secondary sources who are stating 29 over an interview were the subject herself said she was 29 years old in January 2016. Apparently you are saying it is not accurate because she did not state her birth year. Ok fine i can agree with you on that because we need hardcore proof that she was born in 1986. Then i can also argue that we need hard proof she was born in 1988, because we clearly cannot trust these online jounalists publishing stories. Simply because if they were serious journalists who did their research they would have seen the interview and known she is not 29. I mean, come Jamie Tubers, put ur pride aside and just ponder. Why are u insisting we accept these reliable sources. When Adesua declared her age as 29 in that interview, you are pushing a different narrative by insisting she was born in 1988, u believe that she is 29. So let me ask you a question. Can someone be 29 years old for 2 years in a row? No honestly think about it... because we know for a fact she said WITH HER OWN MOUTH that she is 29 in January last year but u continuing to insist that she was born in 1988 thereby 29 years suggests you believe that she was 29 in 2016 and 2017. As this to me only happens in an alternative universe, but for now as we are in this world. A person can only be one age for a year not 2 years in a row(as it is ridiculous). By the way, something tells me you just did not bother watching the interview..that is worrisome because a good author looks at all the information presented to them.
So u know what, we have both aired our views and it is normal for we as humans to disagree with each other. So let us compromise, we both agree we that we must back our claims with sources. I suggest 2 reasons a) We have to remove her birth year completely until a more credible source comes or better still, the actress herself declares her birth year. b) We take Versace1608's idea and publish both birth years (1986 and 1988) until like i suggested a more credible source or she herself declares it These suggestions i believe are a fair compromise for us to resolve this issue. Think about it because you owe the readers the truth and to give them all the information necessary. Simply because Jamie Tubers you cannot impose unverified and misrepresented facts to our readers and just put notes at the bottom of her wiki page.Readers should have the option of seeing both options at the beginning were her basic information is. You simply cannot put 1988 on, as the only option because it is misleading, spreading false information and just tells me you have an aversion for the truth. Please think about it it is actions like yours that reaffirms people's belief that wikipedia is not reliable. I implore u to put your pride and ego aside and consider my 2 suggestions. If u dont then it tells me you have a trump like attitude who only agrees with his beliefs even if it is proven false. (Which by the way a good thing if channelled positively, but bad if channelled negatively towards wrong causes). Kufuor101 ( talk) 03:05, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you Versace for the link as well. Also i am happy with the present changes made on her wiki page under the Early life section. I think that is the best thing to do. As u are giving readers the opportunity to judge. P.S By the way Jamie Tubers i was not on an emotional rant. I just wanted you to think even just by using your own logical reasoning(forget all the sources for a moment). Someone born in 1988 is either 27/ 28 in 2016, and 28/29 in 2017. Fine, the reason i challenged those sources is because i matched the date of publication with the birth year-1988 which they all said she was 29. And these publication dates were either in 2015 or 2016. This alone did not make sense. And by the way not an emotional rant, just a sense of frustration and the desire to break free from the spirit of mediocrity that has plagued us and to call out egotistical and insensitive people like u who will tell me i am on an emotional rant. Kufuor101 ( talk) 15:36, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry my contribution is a tad bit late i haven't been around but however my take on this is as thus; In as much as @ Versace1608:'s initial theory (omitting the birth year entirely) is just WP:COMMONSENSE & also the right thing to do in order to avoid confusing third party readers who are oblivious of the intricacies & sometimes arbituary policies that govern the editing of Wikipedia, i am of the opinion that @@ Jamie Tubers: is just acting based on already established polices, and as so; in this particular case i would have supported and would still support his line of action as long as they were/are in tune with the guidelines and policies established for we the editors.. Celestina007 ( talk) 17:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Jamie Tubers, I think you need to undo this edit you made. Per MOS:ITALICTITLE, we should only italicized periodicals such as newspapers, journals, and magazines. Pulse Nigeria describes itself as "Nigeria's new media network". Media networks such as Ion and Viacom are not italicized on Wikipedia. Ringier, which happens to be Pulse Nigeria's parent company, isn't italicized anywhere on Wikipedia. Answers Africa describes itself as a "news and entertainment website". Nowhere in MOS:ITALICTITLE does it state that websites should be italicized. As a matter of fact, none of the websites in Category:Websites are italicized. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 00:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Darreg, Msjazzyfed here. You added a disclosure tag on an article i edited. Name of the article is Adesua Etomi. Thanks for being polite. I have an issue in relation to that page and I'd be grateful if you could please help. An editor named Jamie Tubbers keeps spelling her name as Adesuwa Etomi as opposed to Adesua Etomi. I have tried to explain to him that this is not her name but a misspelling lazy Nigerians started. The major problem is that there is actually a variant of the name Adesuwa in Nigeria but this belongs to the Bini or Yoruba tribes. She is Adesua and from the Esan tribe. I manage Adesua Etomi and Jamie rudely pointed out that i have a conflict of interest, which is fair enough, but it doesn't change the fact that i am right. My client and i actually find this misspelling of her name annoying. Wikipedia is a source many people quote, and how do we get this trend to stop if a source like Wikipedia won't correct it? Do i need to send you official documents showing her birth name? Please advise on hoe we can fix this. I'm very happy to never edit this article again, because even though Jamie was extremely rude, i can see why. I'd be grateful for your assistance. Thank you Msjazzyfed ( talk) 22:37, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Jamie Tubers, I got you note on the COI. Thanks. Now please permit me to point something out, seeing as I'm actually Nigerian and I'm better informed about the spellings of our Nigerian names and their history. While Adesua and Adesuwa mean the same thing when translated into English, the names each belong to two different tribes. The only similarities both tribes share, is that they are resident in the same state.
Nigeria has 36 states, one of which is Edo state, where the names Adesua and Adesuwa originate from. Now Adesua is a name from the Esan tribe/ethnic group in Edo State. While Adesuwa is a name from the Bini tribe/ethnic group in Edo state.
This actress is Adesua Etomi and she is from Esan in Edo State. Adesua is not a short form or derivative of Adesuwa. It is the entire name. I do hope this clear up your confusion.
As to the fact that she only started answering to Adesua in 2016, that is false. She was wrongly credited in her first film and you'll notice that it was corrected in subsequent films. Kindly contact the University of Wolverhampton in the UK for their student records, since you feel that a Nigerian cannot give you credible information. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msjazzyfed ( talk • contribs) 03:20, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
This is correct. When asked, Adesua herself stated: “It's always been Adesua not Adesuwa. It’s Esan and not Benin.” See: https://twitter.com/adesuaetomiw/status/1364206792566308864?s=21 Jhurley85 ( talk) 14:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello,
I got your mail, where you explicitly stated that you are the manager of Adesua Etomi. Kindly note that, per Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest policy, you're not supposed to be editing pages about you or people you're close to. As per your request on the birthname of Adesua. I find it hard to believe that she was born as "Adesua" and not "Adesuwa". Typical Nigerian parents do not give their children short forms of traditional names at birth. In this case, the full Edo name is "Adesuwa", not "Adesua". Furthermore, until recently, Adesua was always credited in film as "Adesuwa". Only recently did she remove the "w". It's difficult to believe that she only added the "w" temporarily after she was born. Finally, many sources actually give her full name as "Adesuwa".
As it has been established that you have a conflict of interest (COI), I'll advise you to refrain from making controversial and major edits to the page. Wikipedia frowns at COI, because it causes unnecessary disruptions. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that relies on external verifiable sources. If Adesua Etomi finds out that there are untrue information about her in the media, she can easily correct them by clarifying in interviews or on one of her verified social media. Any clarifications from her will definitely be reflected on Wikipedia appropriately. Cheers.-- Jamie Tubers ( talk) 15:50, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
This is correct. When asked, Adesua herself stated: “It's always been Adesua not Adesuwa. It’s Esan and not Benin.” See: https://twitter.com/adesuaetomiw/status/1364206792566308864?s=21 Jhurley85 ( talk) 14:35, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
@ HandsomeBoy and Jamie Tubers: Adesua's age dispute has resurfaced again. Achalugo added this source that clearly states her age. I doubted the source at first but it appears the website has an editorial team. Per NPOV, I added both year of birth to the article, similar to how it is at Mariah Carey. It appears that Achalugo has chosen not to engage in a dialogue with other editors. He/She read the messages I left on my talk page and removed them. Do any of you object to the changes I made to the article? Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 02:19, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Please no one has updated Adesuwa's Nickelodeon's kids choice awards nomination for best African actress. Osayuware Benjamin Owiadolor ( talk) 14:32, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
I see there has been discussion before as to whether her name is Adesua or Adesuwa. She cleared it up on Twitter. It’s Adesua. https://twitter.com/adesuaetomiw/status/1364206792566308864?s=21 Jhurley85 ( talk) 13:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Can her bio be changed to say m. 2017 rather than m. after 2017? Jhurley85 ( talk) 14:44, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
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@ Darreg Hello, The author & editor of this page has a WP:COI with subject of the article of which she had affirmed by statement made indicting herself as subject's manager. from this, i believe, as per wikipedia guidelines and polices, she should not even be contributing majorly to this page. Indeed the article was created by the AFC process, but she has failed to indicate this in the article's talk page as per WP:DISCLOSE and has chosen not to develop the encylopedia by continously adding unsourced text to a WP:BLP despite imperative advice from both @ Jamie Tubers & Versace1608. I'm sorry Darreg but the tag would be re-included until she follows due process and ceases actions in tune with disruptive editing. until the editor Msjazzyfed has accomplished the pre-requisites, i think it is only plausible the COI tag remains. Celestina007 ( talk) 16:51, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
@ Darreg @ Jamie Tubers okay its cool. Celestina007 ( talk) 21:57, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello Darreg, I see your point about, about people's saying they are a year older even though their birth month is 3,4 or 6 months away. But that is people and their preferences and what they want to tell others, This is an article which users require basic facts like date of birth. Frankly, news articles or especially Nigerian One's tend not to get people's birth year right. What I am saying is your point is based on subjective reasoning not objective because this is clearly a fact.
She was 29 in January 2016, her birth date 22nd February in 2016(the following month) she turns 30. Now 2017, comes 22 February 2017 she is 31. We are now in May. So I do not get this whole argument, but if we are to follow your logic then by now she should be saying she is 31, because her birthday was 3 months ago , so there is no need for her to say that "I am about to turn.."(the next age). In general terms,even if some people like to fast forward their age even though their birth month has not yet arrived, does not mean articles will follow suit. We will continue to say the person's current age until their birthday arrives. So please let's not base it on what people want their age to be.
Example- Right now I am 20 years old. My birthday is in December, were I will turn 21. Your argument is that, if I were such people who want to fast forward their age (which I personally find odd, because everyone is trying to be young so why increase your age or try to be older). I would go around telling people between now and late November that I am 21 years old. But what I am saying is if you were doing an article or story on me today, you would say I am 20 years old, because that is simply the truth. I am nowhere near 21 years old, until December, so it would be wrong for you the article to refer to me as 21. That will be just bad journalism. So we need to base it on facts, pure hard facts, not people' s subjective truths about themselves. If we are honest people do not even like to admit the truth to themselves, so if you are doing a story on me just state my current age as of now, as in PRESENT TENSE not FUTURE TENSE. Also, if we are not adding her birth year, please remove the year from the Google webpage as whenever you type her name on Google 1988 appears on the results page, which is just false and misleading. Also please take down that website citation next to her date of birth, because that should third party site is wrong on all levels and should not even be compared tot he source I provided on YouTube. As first the date in which it was published is 2015 that alone shows it is far from credible and next to the year of birth it still has 29 next to 1988. That means she was also 29 in 2015. So I endeavour you to please banish that link from her Wikipedia page because it is just all wrong.
Though I agree that you need a source that states her year of birth. I would still argue that we have all the proof that we need but in the meanwhile her year of birth should not be included because as proven it is definitely not 1988. But as stated above just because some people decide to fast forward something does not mean we should follow them and we should report in the present not future. Plus Adesua Etomi seems like a direct person, and once asked how old she is she would not hesitate to say her real and current age, not make estimations. In developed countries, when writing your date of birth they work with your current age. Kufuor101 ( talk) 00:20, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello Darreg, in response to the changes I made on the Adesua Etomi page. I am new to Wikipedia and I am still learning how to navigate and familiarise myself with Wiki's operations. Hence I apologise if I have not inserted a reference. I know that she was born in 1986, and my source is from pulse nigeria, were she did a full 17 minute interview(available on YouTube) stating that she was 29 years old-this was in January 2016. So she is now 31. But as stated earlier I am still learning so I am not familiar with citations. So she was 29 at the time (January 2016) and today she is 31 years old. I recommend you watch the interview to verify my source. Kufuor101 ( talk) 02:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello Jamie Tubers, this is the YouTube link to her full pulse Nigeria interview: The minutes in which she states her age were between 7:04-7:07, in which she was asked who inspires her. This is were she states she is 29 years old, in January 2016!! Now I would appreciate it if you please do not take a rude and condescending tone with me, with the language you used on my talk page, as I said on Darreg's talk page, I am new and still learning to navigate Wikipedia and its operations. On the otherhand, whilst on the subject of accurate citations and sources, which you are very serious about, as a experienced contributor on Wikipedia (by looking through your user page and talk page), I reckon that you would want accurate sources, so I find it surprising that her year of birth(1988), which you are defending aggressively, I clicked on the citation link, and it led me to a third party website, which is a combination of different sources I assume from various sources. Though most of the information on that site is quite factual. But I want you to judge fairly, and choose which source is more accurate: will it be my source which is full in depth interview from the subject (Adesua Etomi), who with her OWN MOUTH stated her age on a reputable entertainment blog like Pulse Nigeria OR are you going to take information from a third party site all in all the name of wanting to be right. Please be the judge because as wiki contributors, you owe thousands of readers the truth. Enough said.. Like I said the video is on YouTube freely available to verify yourself. No need for me to lie. The edit page is not allowing my to post the link otherwise it would not save but as I said it is on YouTube with the specific minutes I have stated on this post. Kufuor101 ( talk) 22:26, 22 May 2017 (UTC).
The name of the YouTube video is: Full Interview: Nollywood Actress Adesua Etomi Chats With Pulse TV. As stated again the exact minutes she states her age is between 7:04-7:07. Remember this was in January 2016. Thanks. Kufuor101 ( talk) 22:46, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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I would just like to say, that frankly it is quite disappointing that as wiki contributors we have decided that even if a fact is obvious, we quote sources that have clearly misrepresented the facts. The fact that a news article like Punch or Naij.com cites or misrepresents facts such as date of birth, does not make it right. It just means that these organisations have incompetent, lazy journalists who do not verify and cross examine their information. These people need to be fired. I cannot believe that you as a contributor will be a participant in spreading FAKE NEWS. The reason i say this is because, how can you people still think she is 29 based on news articles who have clearly not done their research. A saying goes a first fool is a fool, the 2nd fool more foolish the third is the bigger fool. An interview which she declares her age as 29 years old in january 2016, and now it turns out that she is 29 again in 2017. Please think about it. Does it make sense that she has been 29 years old for 2 years in a row. Come on that is ridiculous and insane. In life my fellow author you are supposed to question everything you read, hear and see. You just do not passively accept it, you have to be critical of everything you see and hear . That is the difference between someone who is of higer intelligence and low intelligence regardless of educational background. Even, if we were to go by your explanation that people state their upcoming age even before their birthday arrives. Then she should be 30 by now. I mean i am sorry u are not making sense. Look even the most reliable media organisations such as Forbes magazine, Okayafrica, vogue any information they release must be scrutinised and i am sure they have made errors in the past. But what distinguishes credible news articles from ones who are just plain incompetent is first they carry out thorough and extensive research to verify their claims. Secondly is their ability to admit they were wrong if they spread false information. Because as a country and a continent as a whole we must get rid of the spirit of incompetence and mediocrity for us to progress and reach our maximum potential. Look just think about it and ponder, i know the last thing we want is to mislead the readers. A word to the wise is enough. Kufuor101 ( talk) 16:39, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Hello, firstly i appreciate Versace1608 seeing my point of view and clearly understands the reality that news organisations have journalists who are lazy and do not want to do research. Again Versace1608 understands that she just cannot be 29 years old for 2 years old
I have realised something about, you Jamie Tubers upon reviewing your user talk page. You are a strong willed person by nature, who aggressively defends your beliefs even if it is not totally accurate. That is a great trait if it is channelled towards positive and inspiring causes or issues, you can be a great instrument for success and a great asset. But if channelled in a wrong way, you can be a great tool for destruction and chaos as well. Look i mean no disrespect. Its just that whilst i can admire you are strong willed. I cannot help but say that you are promoting falsehoods and that my friend is very dangerous. I completely understand your stance on this issue. You are suggesting we accept all of these reliable sources such as Punch.ng, Naij.com who are stating that she was born in 1988. We should accept these sources regardless even if journalists did a crappy job by producing lazy work and did not carry out extensive research. That is a very disturbing thing to suggest that we should believe these secondary sources for news outlets (who should be ashamed for allowing unverified facts to be published, thereby putting their credibility on the line.) But honestly, how do you believe these secondary sources who are stating 29 over an interview were the subject herself said she was 29 years old in January 2016. Apparently you are saying it is not accurate because she did not state her birth year. Ok fine i can agree with you on that because we need hardcore proof that she was born in 1986. Then i can also argue that we need hard proof she was born in 1988, because we clearly cannot trust these online jounalists publishing stories. Simply because if they were serious journalists who did their research they would have seen the interview and known she is not 29. I mean, come Jamie Tubers, put ur pride aside and just ponder. Why are u insisting we accept these reliable sources. When Adesua declared her age as 29 in that interview, you are pushing a different narrative by insisting she was born in 1988, u believe that she is 29. So let me ask you a question. Can someone be 29 years old for 2 years in a row? No honestly think about it... because we know for a fact she said WITH HER OWN MOUTH that she is 29 in January last year but u continuing to insist that she was born in 1988 thereby 29 years suggests you believe that she was 29 in 2016 and 2017. As this to me only happens in an alternative universe, but for now as we are in this world. A person can only be one age for a year not 2 years in a row(as it is ridiculous). By the way, something tells me you just did not bother watching the interview..that is worrisome because a good author looks at all the information presented to them.
So u know what, we have both aired our views and it is normal for we as humans to disagree with each other. So let us compromise, we both agree we that we must back our claims with sources. I suggest 2 reasons a) We have to remove her birth year completely until a more credible source comes or better still, the actress herself declares her birth year. b) We take Versace1608's idea and publish both birth years (1986 and 1988) until like i suggested a more credible source or she herself declares it These suggestions i believe are a fair compromise for us to resolve this issue. Think about it because you owe the readers the truth and to give them all the information necessary. Simply because Jamie Tubers you cannot impose unverified and misrepresented facts to our readers and just put notes at the bottom of her wiki page.Readers should have the option of seeing both options at the beginning were her basic information is. You simply cannot put 1988 on, as the only option because it is misleading, spreading false information and just tells me you have an aversion for the truth. Please think about it it is actions like yours that reaffirms people's belief that wikipedia is not reliable. I implore u to put your pride and ego aside and consider my 2 suggestions. If u dont then it tells me you have a trump like attitude who only agrees with his beliefs even if it is proven false. (Which by the way a good thing if channelled positively, but bad if channelled negatively towards wrong causes). Kufuor101 ( talk) 03:05, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Thank you Versace for the link as well. Also i am happy with the present changes made on her wiki page under the Early life section. I think that is the best thing to do. As u are giving readers the opportunity to judge. P.S By the way Jamie Tubers i was not on an emotional rant. I just wanted you to think even just by using your own logical reasoning(forget all the sources for a moment). Someone born in 1988 is either 27/ 28 in 2016, and 28/29 in 2017. Fine, the reason i challenged those sources is because i matched the date of publication with the birth year-1988 which they all said she was 29. And these publication dates were either in 2015 or 2016. This alone did not make sense. And by the way not an emotional rant, just a sense of frustration and the desire to break free from the spirit of mediocrity that has plagued us and to call out egotistical and insensitive people like u who will tell me i am on an emotional rant. Kufuor101 ( talk) 15:36, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry my contribution is a tad bit late i haven't been around but however my take on this is as thus; In as much as @ Versace1608:'s initial theory (omitting the birth year entirely) is just WP:COMMONSENSE & also the right thing to do in order to avoid confusing third party readers who are oblivious of the intricacies & sometimes arbituary policies that govern the editing of Wikipedia, i am of the opinion that @@ Jamie Tubers: is just acting based on already established polices, and as so; in this particular case i would have supported and would still support his line of action as long as they were/are in tune with the guidelines and policies established for we the editors.. Celestina007 ( talk) 17:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Jamie Tubers, I think you need to undo this edit you made. Per MOS:ITALICTITLE, we should only italicized periodicals such as newspapers, journals, and magazines. Pulse Nigeria describes itself as "Nigeria's new media network". Media networks such as Ion and Viacom are not italicized on Wikipedia. Ringier, which happens to be Pulse Nigeria's parent company, isn't italicized anywhere on Wikipedia. Answers Africa describes itself as a "news and entertainment website". Nowhere in MOS:ITALICTITLE does it state that websites should be italicized. As a matter of fact, none of the websites in Category:Websites are italicized. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 00:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Hi Darreg, Msjazzyfed here. You added a disclosure tag on an article i edited. Name of the article is Adesua Etomi. Thanks for being polite. I have an issue in relation to that page and I'd be grateful if you could please help. An editor named Jamie Tubbers keeps spelling her name as Adesuwa Etomi as opposed to Adesua Etomi. I have tried to explain to him that this is not her name but a misspelling lazy Nigerians started. The major problem is that there is actually a variant of the name Adesuwa in Nigeria but this belongs to the Bini or Yoruba tribes. She is Adesua and from the Esan tribe. I manage Adesua Etomi and Jamie rudely pointed out that i have a conflict of interest, which is fair enough, but it doesn't change the fact that i am right. My client and i actually find this misspelling of her name annoying. Wikipedia is a source many people quote, and how do we get this trend to stop if a source like Wikipedia won't correct it? Do i need to send you official documents showing her birth name? Please advise on hoe we can fix this. I'm very happy to never edit this article again, because even though Jamie was extremely rude, i can see why. I'd be grateful for your assistance. Thank you Msjazzyfed ( talk) 22:37, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Jamie Tubers, I got you note on the COI. Thanks. Now please permit me to point something out, seeing as I'm actually Nigerian and I'm better informed about the spellings of our Nigerian names and their history. While Adesua and Adesuwa mean the same thing when translated into English, the names each belong to two different tribes. The only similarities both tribes share, is that they are resident in the same state.
Nigeria has 36 states, one of which is Edo state, where the names Adesua and Adesuwa originate from. Now Adesua is a name from the Esan tribe/ethnic group in Edo State. While Adesuwa is a name from the Bini tribe/ethnic group in Edo state.
This actress is Adesua Etomi and she is from Esan in Edo State. Adesua is not a short form or derivative of Adesuwa. It is the entire name. I do hope this clear up your confusion.
As to the fact that she only started answering to Adesua in 2016, that is false. She was wrongly credited in her first film and you'll notice that it was corrected in subsequent films. Kindly contact the University of Wolverhampton in the UK for their student records, since you feel that a Nigerian cannot give you credible information. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msjazzyfed ( talk • contribs) 03:20, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
This is correct. When asked, Adesua herself stated: “It's always been Adesua not Adesuwa. It’s Esan and not Benin.” See: https://twitter.com/adesuaetomiw/status/1364206792566308864?s=21 Jhurley85 ( talk) 14:31, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello,
I got your mail, where you explicitly stated that you are the manager of Adesua Etomi. Kindly note that, per Wikipedia's Conflict of Interest policy, you're not supposed to be editing pages about you or people you're close to. As per your request on the birthname of Adesua. I find it hard to believe that she was born as "Adesua" and not "Adesuwa". Typical Nigerian parents do not give their children short forms of traditional names at birth. In this case, the full Edo name is "Adesuwa", not "Adesua". Furthermore, until recently, Adesua was always credited in film as "Adesuwa". Only recently did she remove the "w". It's difficult to believe that she only added the "w" temporarily after she was born. Finally, many sources actually give her full name as "Adesuwa".
As it has been established that you have a conflict of interest (COI), I'll advise you to refrain from making controversial and major edits to the page. Wikipedia frowns at COI, because it causes unnecessary disruptions. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that relies on external verifiable sources. If Adesua Etomi finds out that there are untrue information about her in the media, she can easily correct them by clarifying in interviews or on one of her verified social media. Any clarifications from her will definitely be reflected on Wikipedia appropriately. Cheers.-- Jamie Tubers ( talk) 15:50, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
This is correct. When asked, Adesua herself stated: “It's always been Adesua not Adesuwa. It’s Esan and not Benin.” See: https://twitter.com/adesuaetomiw/status/1364206792566308864?s=21 Jhurley85 ( talk) 14:35, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
@ HandsomeBoy and Jamie Tubers: Adesua's age dispute has resurfaced again. Achalugo added this source that clearly states her age. I doubted the source at first but it appears the website has an editorial team. Per NPOV, I added both year of birth to the article, similar to how it is at Mariah Carey. It appears that Achalugo has chosen not to engage in a dialogue with other editors. He/She read the messages I left on my talk page and removed them. Do any of you object to the changes I made to the article? Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 02:19, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Please no one has updated Adesuwa's Nickelodeon's kids choice awards nomination for best African actress. Osayuware Benjamin Owiadolor ( talk) 14:32, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
I see there has been discussion before as to whether her name is Adesua or Adesuwa. She cleared it up on Twitter. It’s Adesua. https://twitter.com/adesuaetomiw/status/1364206792566308864?s=21 Jhurley85 ( talk) 13:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Can her bio be changed to say m. 2017 rather than m. after 2017? Jhurley85 ( talk) 14:44, 23 February 2021 (UTC)