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This article appears to misrepresent the significance of the Old CAR, the New CAR and the final Tarcoola to Darwin line.
I would like to split out the Old CAR from the Story, so that its history is clearly articulated, and separate from the later Tarcoola to Alice CAR and the final Tarcoola to Darwin Line.
Any comments? Sulzer55 ( talk) 07:38, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Skillsy ( talk) April 2016 —Preceding undated comment added 14:08, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Title is Adelaide - Darwin (south to north) and the lead sentence has Adelaide–Darwin railway is a north–south - huh? Satu Suro 10:31, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
This needs to be explicitly mentioned, along with how trains pass each other if so. Also the article should discuss the degree of usage e.g. km/year compared to other lines... seems to be low usage if single track. Rcbutcher ( talk) 15:53, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
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I propose that AustralAsia Rail Corporation be merged into Adelaide-Darwin railway. The existing stub of the former is two paragraphs, the second of which is already on this page with better hyperlinking, and the former of which might contain some information worth adding to Adelaide–Darwin railway#Alice Springs to Darwin, but it's hard to tell because the only references on the page are to primary sources --- one is the company's site, the other is an article published by the CEO of the company that won the contact. Paul "TBBle" Hampson ( talk) 17:24, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Please comment on some proposals potentially affecting this article, here. Cheers, SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬  at 13:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello Dormskirk, I noticed you deleted "The lease includes provisions for access by other rail operating companies" because it was unreferenced. I often do likewise, but in this case I would prefer to leave the text in place for a while. Reason: the provisions were an entirely new development in Australia for railway infrastructure, in which a company has responsibilities for the line but not exclusivity in its access. In essence it's too important an aspect to leave out. That said, a reference is needed. I'll ask one of my researcher colleagues at the National Railway Museum, Port Adelaide, to find details of the lease that can be referenced. In the meantime, would you object to my reverting the deletion for the time being? Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 23:49, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
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Adelaide–Darwin railway line → Tarcoola–Darwin railway line – The line to Darwin originates at Tarcoola; the link to Adelaide is run across separate railway lines. Owner/manager of the line Aurizon (and previously One Rail) refers to the line as running Tarcoola to Darwin as do official studies [1] [2] [3] and current media [4]. Going further back, the original ownership body AustralAsia Railway Corporation refers to the then-yet to be constructed line as "The railway will operate between Tarcoola, north-west of Adelaide, and Darwin in the Northern Territory, connecting to the Port of Darwin." – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 12:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 16:48, 16 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 18:20, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Support. I agree with SCHolar44 🇦🇺. This article is and/or should be about a railway line that started out in 1980 as a line between Tarcoola and Alice Springs replacing the Central Australia Railway, and is now a line between Tarcoola and Darwin. Adelaide is about 600 km (370 mi) from Tarcoola, and has never been a part of that line. More specifically, Adelaide is no more a part of that line than Perth is a part of the Trans-Australian Railway: even though Perth is linked with the latter line, the WA state capital is about 600 km (370 mi) from that line's western terminus, at Kalgoorlie railway station. As has been suggested by SCHolar44 🇦🇺, there should also be a separate article, "Adelaide–Darwin rail corridor", about a distinctly different topic, namely the rail corridor between those two cities. Such an article would tie in with the corresponding existing articles such as Sydney–Perth rail corridor. In specific response to The Drover's Wife, the Tarcoola to Darwin railway line is primarily a freight line. During the NT wet season, it has no passenger trains at all for months at a time. There is already a separate article, The Ghan, about another distinctly different topic, namely the passenger train that links Adelaide with Darwin only between February and November. The fact that trains, including freight trains, originate or terminate somewhere other than Tarcoola does not change the facts that the railway line itself (a) starts and terminates there, and (b) has a distinct history and identity; rather, those facts, combined with that distinctiveness, emphasise the appropriateness of a separate article about the "Adelaide–Darwin rail corridor", which includes part of the Trans-Australian Railway and also a third railway line, between Adelaide and Port Augusta, which should also have a separate and distinct article of its own. Bahnfrend ( talk) 09:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Update on my offer to expand the Adelaide–Darwin article as above (16 August): Surprise, surprise! The reference material proved far more elusive than I thought. As of today, however, the article is 90% complete and I expect to receive the remaining reference source articles/books in the next few days so I can drop them in. The more comprehensive coverage of the early lines (1854–1937) that I've completed certainly rounds out the article, and I find the wider coverage reinforces the notion that the lines collectively are a corridor, not a line. That, and the factor of compatibility with the other four "corridor" articles, leads me to favour:
Will others agree when I have uploaded the expanded corridor article? We'll see. Any comments? Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 01:40, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Further update: My delay in expanding the article as promised has been on account of being in hospital for a short while. I am resuming the article, and the reference books and journals I needed are here. Just a few days now. Â :-) SCHolar44 ( talk) 00:03, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
@ SCHolar44: The thin spaces appear on my screen as if there were two spaces between "Ghan" and "passenger" and I removed it because (on my laptop screen) the single space displays fine and does not cause a spilling of text into the next word. GLORIOUSEXISTENCE ( talk) 21:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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This article appears to misrepresent the significance of the Old CAR, the New CAR and the final Tarcoola to Darwin line.
I would like to split out the Old CAR from the Story, so that its history is clearly articulated, and separate from the later Tarcoola to Alice CAR and the final Tarcoola to Darwin Line.
Any comments? Sulzer55 ( talk) 07:38, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Skillsy ( talk) April 2016 —Preceding undated comment added 14:08, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Title is Adelaide - Darwin (south to north) and the lead sentence has Adelaide–Darwin railway is a north–south - huh? Satu Suro 10:31, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
This needs to be explicitly mentioned, along with how trains pass each other if so. Also the article should discuss the degree of usage e.g. km/year compared to other lines... seems to be low usage if single track. Rcbutcher ( talk) 15:53, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
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I propose that AustralAsia Rail Corporation be merged into Adelaide-Darwin railway. The existing stub of the former is two paragraphs, the second of which is already on this page with better hyperlinking, and the former of which might contain some information worth adding to Adelaide–Darwin railway#Alice Springs to Darwin, but it's hard to tell because the only references on the page are to primary sources --- one is the company's site, the other is an article published by the CEO of the company that won the contact. Paul "TBBle" Hampson ( talk) 17:24, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Please comment on some proposals potentially affecting this article, here. Cheers, SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬  at 13:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello Dormskirk, I noticed you deleted "The lease includes provisions for access by other rail operating companies" because it was unreferenced. I often do likewise, but in this case I would prefer to leave the text in place for a while. Reason: the provisions were an entirely new development in Australia for railway infrastructure, in which a company has responsibilities for the line but not exclusivity in its access. In essence it's too important an aspect to leave out. That said, a reference is needed. I'll ask one of my researcher colleagues at the National Railway Museum, Port Adelaide, to find details of the lease that can be referenced. In the meantime, would you object to my reverting the deletion for the time being? Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 23:49, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
![]() | It was proposed in this section that
Adelaide–Darwin railway line be
renamed and moved to
Tarcoola–Darwin railway line.
result: Move logs:
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target title
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Adelaide–Darwin railway line → Tarcoola–Darwin railway line – The line to Darwin originates at Tarcoola; the link to Adelaide is run across separate railway lines. Owner/manager of the line Aurizon (and previously One Rail) refers to the line as running Tarcoola to Darwin as do official studies [1] [2] [3] and current media [4]. Going further back, the original ownership body AustralAsia Railway Corporation refers to the then-yet to be constructed line as "The railway will operate between Tarcoola, north-west of Adelaide, and Darwin in the Northern Territory, connecting to the Port of Darwin." – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 12:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mello hi! ( 投稿) 16:48, 16 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 18:20, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Support. I agree with SCHolar44 🇦🇺. This article is and/or should be about a railway line that started out in 1980 as a line between Tarcoola and Alice Springs replacing the Central Australia Railway, and is now a line between Tarcoola and Darwin. Adelaide is about 600 km (370 mi) from Tarcoola, and has never been a part of that line. More specifically, Adelaide is no more a part of that line than Perth is a part of the Trans-Australian Railway: even though Perth is linked with the latter line, the WA state capital is about 600 km (370 mi) from that line's western terminus, at Kalgoorlie railway station. As has been suggested by SCHolar44 🇦🇺, there should also be a separate article, "Adelaide–Darwin rail corridor", about a distinctly different topic, namely the rail corridor between those two cities. Such an article would tie in with the corresponding existing articles such as Sydney–Perth rail corridor. In specific response to The Drover's Wife, the Tarcoola to Darwin railway line is primarily a freight line. During the NT wet season, it has no passenger trains at all for months at a time. There is already a separate article, The Ghan, about another distinctly different topic, namely the passenger train that links Adelaide with Darwin only between February and November. The fact that trains, including freight trains, originate or terminate somewhere other than Tarcoola does not change the facts that the railway line itself (a) starts and terminates there, and (b) has a distinct history and identity; rather, those facts, combined with that distinctiveness, emphasise the appropriateness of a separate article about the "Adelaide–Darwin rail corridor", which includes part of the Trans-Australian Railway and also a third railway line, between Adelaide and Port Augusta, which should also have a separate and distinct article of its own. Bahnfrend ( talk) 09:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Update on my offer to expand the Adelaide–Darwin article as above (16 August): Surprise, surprise! The reference material proved far more elusive than I thought. As of today, however, the article is 90% complete and I expect to receive the remaining reference source articles/books in the next few days so I can drop them in. The more comprehensive coverage of the early lines (1854–1937) that I've completed certainly rounds out the article, and I find the wider coverage reinforces the notion that the lines collectively are a corridor, not a line. That, and the factor of compatibility with the other four "corridor" articles, leads me to favour:
Will others agree when I have uploaded the expanded corridor article? We'll see. Any comments? Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 01:40, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Further update: My delay in expanding the article as promised has been on account of being in hospital for a short while. I am resuming the article, and the reference books and journals I needed are here. Just a few days now. Â :-) SCHolar44 ( talk) 00:03, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
@ SCHolar44: The thin spaces appear on my screen as if there were two spaces between "Ghan" and "passenger" and I removed it because (on my laptop screen) the single space displays fine and does not cause a spilling of text into the next word. GLORIOUSEXISTENCE ( talk) 21:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)