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I remember watching a TV programme a couple of years ago about Adelaide having a terrible Murder rate. Is or was this the case as it seems like such a nice place in the photos. Holden 27
What a strange analogy, but then Adelaide is a very strange place. Of course the Snowtown murders are an embodiment of Adelaide's unique style. ( what a ludicris offensive statement ) As an interstater, the first thing I noticed was how much poverty and mental illness there was in this city. Dear old Adelaide is a place of extremes. It exhibits a seedy underbelly of extreme feralness while claiming a mantle of high culture on the other. The murders here have recurring themes that centre around pedaphiles, homosexuals and transvestites. Lord knows why the government tries to attract migrants. The truth is that unless your kids have a university degree they are likely to end up working in a factory or within the service industry. Even with a degree you may not find a decent job and will have to leave.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.29.3.129 ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 28 January 2006.
Adelaide has a very large urban area for a city of 1.1 million and its suprising the urban area is so large considering Adelaide overall on average has the highest density of people per square Kilometer (615/km²) out of all five major Australian cities. I mean the Northern suburbs extend quite far but the Southern suburbs just go on and on. I made a relevant reference to this under the section "Urban Layout" but someone took it away. Why? what I said is true and I'm from this city so I think I play a role in adding to the page on it. User talk:You Are Here 20:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone think we should take photos of Rundle Mall, Glenelg or the Festival Theatre and put them up here? If you were visiting Adelaide what sort of things would you like to know about the place?
There are already articles for Rundle Mall and Glenelg, any pictures that we might find or take should go there. As for the Festival Theatre...we can always start :) MaXim
Yes, add more pics, include heritage buildings from street level, beaches, Adelaide oval etc. I vote to dump the skyline pic ... too glamourous, this is not a travel brochure. I may add some when I get a round tuit. Solander 21 Apr 2005
I will try to take some high quality photos with my Sony Digi Camera over the next weeks. Be a tourist in my own town for a day. :) Andreasu 10:18, 03 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Is it a good idea to have a Adelaide gallery (pictures of Adelaide) on Adelaide? Because I added two pictures on Adelaide and were later deleted. Andreasu 06 Jun 2005
The article states that Adelaide is located on the Fleurieu Peninsula. In fact, this peninsula does not technically begin until some way south of the city, in the Adelaide Hills.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.136.181.160 ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 22 July 2005.
I added an image to the top of the Adelaide page, showing the skyline. It was promptly moved, and I would like to object to this - the first thing people see when they visit the site is a drab coat of arms and a contents page. An immediate picture helps to make the article seem more interesting. Compare to the Los Angeles page.
- Michaelgabrielsen 11:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Recently, there has been a proliferation of sub-headings in the article. Whilst these headings have been accompanied by truly valuable information, I would like to advise against their use. Generally, (and having being involved in several FAC's I can attest), headings are avoided as they un-necessarily inflate the contents table and interupt the flow of the prose. (It used to be possible to create sub-headings that did not appear in the contents, but the recent MediaWiki upgrade repealed this function.) I have revised the page to reflect this.-- Cyberjunkie | Talk 11:14, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Headings by themselves are necessary; sections do enhance the presentation of information. However, sub-headings really do not contribute anything, and are avoided in preference of defined paragraphs. I too would like to see Adelaide become a featured article, although much remains to be done in that regard. Perhaps the best guide or template for Adelaide is Canberra, which is itself the subject of an effort, driven by nixie, to achieve feature status for Australian city articles. Canberra is being modelled on Johannesburg and Mumbai, an article frequently invoked as a benchmark for city articles. I have over the past few months been compiling information I plan to use in this article (especially with regards to demographics and history/culture), but am about to enter an especially hectic period of the university semester. The further reading section I added contains two books of particular usefulness. There is also a very brief (almost deficient) to-do list on this page. Please add ideas to it that you think necessary. Happy editing, -- Cyberjunkie | Talk 07:03, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
New section: "Layout of Adelaide"??
I am thinking about a new section for this article becuase there is no separate article for the CBD (this one potentially includes information about the whole metro area from Reynella to Munno Para). Where would it be best to put info about the layout and arrangement of the CBD itself and the parklands? In the tasklist there is mention of a section that would include "Light's vision" which would be great I think - not just relevant in history section because it is also about the present. Look forward to working on this, but where - in a new section or a new article?
The layout of Adelaide section would include: summary and/or list of the major features in and around parklands and CBD - eg. Botanic gardens, Himeji gardens, lists of major streets, North Tce, Rundle St, etc.
But maybe this is the wrong way to go about it. After all precincts like Norwood Pde deserve the same attention as Rundle St, but isn't in the CBD/Nth Ad/parklands and would miss out...
-- Lisa 05:11, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has added an internet radio station to the Adelaide radio list. Does this qualify? --
Cyber
junkie 16:25, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
(an old section moved from above to be here) Lisa 01:10, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi all, sorry i had a few issues trying to figure out this talk page thing, but glad to discuss the issues with this link. I shall cover off a few point now, 1) i have no affliation with the station, except that i am an avid listener to it 2) There seems to be an issue becuase its not licenced as a comercial station, thats true it is not. But currently laws in Australia do not regulate webradio station that are non comercial , except for the fact that this station is licenced with APRA, and therefore is licenced to its fullest capabilities. I beleive the station should be listed on this page because of the following reasons 1) its extremely unique to Adelaide (infact Adelaide first and only webradio station. 2) Has conformed to all licencing policies. 3) For these reasons and that it does seek to support Adelaide artists and the 'arts' in general it should be listed in the main index. You comments please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Turbo ( talk • contribs) Scott Davis Talk 01:43, 17 September 2005 (UTC).
Hi Adelaide editors. I have temporarily protected the page to stop the revert war over the inclusion of the above mentioned internet radio station. In my experience internet radio stations have to be quite significant in terms of site traffic and so on to pass through the deletion process, this station's site has a page rank of three million + on Alexa (1 is most popular site on the internet). So how about a straw poll to guage concensus amongst editors to decide if a mention of this site stays in this Article?-- nixie 08:01, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
If the guy's determined to use wikipedia for advertising purposes it could always be mentioned here on the talk page. That's what I would have done if I were in his position rather than start an unwinnable edit war. As an anonymous editor I don't think this person's got the right idea of what wikipedia is about (i.e. an encyclopedia). - Diceman 13:36, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Consensus seems to be to keep it out, I've unprotected the article so you folks can get on with things. I'll keep watching this article for any persistent additions.--
nixie
10:33, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
This has nothing to do with the article but I'm wondering it for my own sake, did Adelaide and Melbourne have any rivalry before the Grand Prix was moved, are they rivals outside of the field of securing economic opportunities? I put "arch-rivals" in the grand prix paragraph but that's how feelings between the two cities seemed to me. I was about to put "long-standing rivals" instead but that might be untrue as I didn't pay any real attention to interstate politics before the change in venue. For all I know Sydney and Melbourne might have a greater rivalry. - Diceman 16:56, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Cyberjunkie is pretty much right about that but Sydney has never usurped them in the sense that Sydney has always had a stronger resonance with others from o/s and here as Australia's centre. Melbourne's relationship with Adelaide has always been playing the bigger, bullying brother. While we are on this topic, thought this article was interesting. Talks about how the rivarly kind of started (SA v Vic):
http://www.abc.net.au/westernvic/stories/s1411014.htm
Frances76 05:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
It has been suggested that the rivalry originates from the South Australia-Victoria border dispute. However, I've always thought it had more to do with sport - in particular Aussie Rules, and whether the VFL (now AFL) was better than SANFL. The VFL always had a larger fan base and so more money, which is what matters in the end. Pingku 06:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Further to the previous discussion about photos...
I know this is not a tourist brochure but I miss those other two photos that were up the top of the Adelaide article a few months back. And that "View of the Adelaide Plains from the Mount Lofty Ranges" photo, while quite artistic and beautiful is of very little informational value in my opinion. Perhaps some slightly more zoomed in pics for geography? And for education, some photos of the universities might be nice...
One editor suggested making a gallery of thumbnails of pics of Adelaide. I think this might be a good way to include all acceptable photos of Adelaide in one spot so 1) we, the editors know where they are; 2) readers have access to images that add value in a small way; 3) we all can have a single repository of copyright-free photos of Adelaide.
Your thoughts? Donama 07:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Does anybody know where in Adelaide ore refining is done? I think it might be more South Australia rather than Adelaide related. Kevin 12:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
How can Adelaide music be given some note under culture? For example the List of Australian hardcore punk groups article refers to a number of Adelaide based bands. Currently the Prominent Adelaidians section notes a number of musicians. Paul foord 05:57, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Good start on this section. However, I should just mention that there was not opposition to Light's design of Adelaide, but his choice of site. Governor Hindmarsh, being the obstinate and authoritarian man that he was, insisted most stridently that Adelaide be a harbour (or coastal) city and advanced the Port River, Holdfast Bay, Kangaroo Island and Boston Bay (Port Lincoln) as locales - the latter two of which would have certainly seen the colony fail. Ultimately though, it was not his decision, and Light and his supporters obtained support the Commissioners in London (much to Hindmarsh's chagrin). -- Cyberjunkie | Talk 13:58, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Just a quick question. The article stated that Light's layout was inspired by the garden city movement. However, that article states the movement didn't start until 1899. So either that article is wrong or the Adelaide article is erroneous. Does someone want to check on that?
While it's good to see expansion of this article, I've removed some of the recent changes to the article because they require references and some were not Adelaide-specific; they were broadly state-focused.-- cj | talk 13:20, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
The demographics section refers to a high level of immigrants in the North Western suburbs (Salisbury, Golden Groves). These two suburbs are in the North East. Hoping someone else will correct this since I am not aware of whether this refers to the North East or whether different example suburbs should be listed.
Hallett Cove as a wealthier and more educated suburb?? First I've heard of it. Me thinks this was written by a HC resident!!
Got to love the references to him being the saviour for South Australia. Personally I'd disagree (while his social policies and reforms may have benefited, his transport and economonic ones did not). I'd remove the reference to Don. He's already praised enough both in the culture section and in his own article. -
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14:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Is it just me or do the images added by rocky88 make this article look damn ugly. would revert but thought i'd leave it to people who contribute to the article to decide if it needs reverting. Bartimaeus 12:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
It needs a slight prune and a copyedit. Any takers? -
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06:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Would this section be able to be moved to another article and listed under "see also" down the bottom? It's not on the other city articles and doesn't work in well with following the guidelines that Canberra has set. -
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03:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
There are too many conflicting numbers of the Adelaide population. What to use? according to this
link the population of Adelaide (including the outer region, 2001) is 1 224 804. If there are no responses or other suggestions I'll be changing them all over soon. -
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09:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
What I don't understand is how in the main body of text it says that Adelaide's population is almost 1.3 million, yet on the side in the fact box it states that it is 1,124,315 (to me, that is closer to 1.1 million!) . Would someone please be good enough to correct this difference, either by defining what regions are used to define these populations or correcting the wrong one so they match (which I presume is 1.3 million). Frances76 05:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The change would bring the article more in line with Canberra (which is FA)
Suggested Layout:
Any suggestions/comments? -
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02:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, featured city articles typically have, health, transport (usually the longest of the three) and utilites; its important not to break that into to many subsections as it really extends the table of contents. So, they are the three infrastructure sections I'd aim for. A Y Arktos did a comparison of the material in the features cities which you guys may find interesting ,it is at Talk:Canberra.
If I can offer some peer review the transport section currently in the article is getting a little long, there is too much historical detail and transport cruft (someone in Rome isn't going to care if John Howard opened the airport). More generally try and keep the article around 40 kb, we did it for Autralia, so it should be possible here. The history section for example is a bit more padded than it could be to convey the really interesting things from Adelaide's history. It's probably also a good idea to replace as many of the non-free images in the article as possible, try the commons and flickr - it'll make the FAC process easier when the article is ready.-- nixie 03:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Oliyoung removed an update to the Port Adelaide Football Club suggesting it was about something called PortPower, There is no such thing called Port Power. There is however the Port Adelaide Football Club est 1870, that was formerly known as the Magpies, the club no longer plays in the SANFL and now plays in the AFL, the clubs team is nicknamed "Power" and the club had a long and proud history in the SANFL up until 1996. The PAFC website will show you the club history, which is correct and the PAMFC website also points out the PAFC joined the AFL. Why do so many take it unto themselves to try and change the clubs history and what the club tells you about itself ?
I propose we start using the Notability guidelines in sections such as music, famous people and other relevant areas in this article. We've had issues before with the notabilty of radio stations, and there are additions to the local musicians which are questionable at best. Oliyoung 00:40, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Just been flicking over the Perth discussion as well as this one, and am surprised that no one has dubbed Adelaide dull, boring or even resorted to it's famous 'overgrown country town' label. I have spent many years in both Adelaide and Perth, and in 2006, would confidently say that Perth is far less dull then Adelaide. The 'Perth lifestyle' seems enviable! Perth also presents more economic prosperitity than most parts of Australia (in line with NW WA exports). Not trying to start another inter-city bicker, Just find it hard to believe that this page does not already start on the topic of dullness- as Perths' does. Unfair i think. Any subscribers?
No. Its sheer opinion, easily refuted by someone else's perception and hence does not belong here. Something some Wikipedia subscribers simply cannot grasp.
Who cares? Baghdad is a very interesting town at the moment. Is anyone up for an Iraq holiday? ~ J. K. 06:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Spot on with Iraq.
Sorry, But i've heard much much more than the 'very clean' remark from people i have met returning from Perth.
This section is notably underwritten (not complete). This needs to be addressed; it ruins the image alignment too and just stands as a distraction from the rest of the article. Any suggestions for what else could be included in this part? michael talk 10:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
What is the deal with this, how come no australian cities have a flag or logo in the info box, I'm gonna add one when I find it, it's stupid every other city has either a logo or flag, but no australian cities do, why the hell is that?
I added some information about some popular nightclubs and added links as well, however it was reverted as they seemed to be advertisements. Regardless Nightlife information should be present on this article page and can I ask that you people keep it and contribute more information to it? Axle5084 06:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
After leaving Adelaide a few years ago, particularly initially, I was asked where my accent was from - "New Zealand?" "England?". Other people I have spoke to who have left Adelaide have reported the same thing. Seems to me this is a notable and interesting thing that should be addressed here?
I think it's something to be quite proud of - that Adelaideans have their own unique style of speech. Perhaps this came about from Adelaide not having a convict-based history? Nicknick
Renamed 'Governance' section as 'Politics and Government' to correspond with other Cities. Is this a mistake? If there is an Australian city template, my apologies. Also, Added Sister City section. Foster2008 01:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
<<Among their unique customs were burn-offs (controlled bushfires) in the Adelaide Hills which the early Europeans spotted before the Kaurna people were pushed out by settlement.>>
The chevronned quote is bizarre: 1. the Kaurna were not the only indigenous in Aust. to use burn-offs 2. there is no connection between their burn-offs and their expropriation 3. the verb "pushed out" is a not atypical downplaying of what actually happened ie land theft, as recognised eg by Edward John Eyre in his writings in the early 1840s. As Henry Reynolds writes, the 19th century British were much more honest than many Australians these days.
I once heard current lord mayor Michael Harbison speak about the concept of Adelaide's layout, which Colonel Light also used in Christchurch NZ, and Toronto. Apparently the grid layout interspersed with city squares, and the parklands "green belt" is derived from a medieval italian concept for the "perfect city", where every block of land would have park frontage (roads in those days being park-like). However I have never seen any documented reference to this "catonaic" urban plan and wonder if anyone knows anything further about it. I've also heard that the width of the parklands roughly corresponds to the range of a 19th century cannon. Can anyone confirm or debunk?-- EDH 00:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Adelaide To Do had request for pruning of entire article. Action taken. Adelaidepruned is the result. This is what Adelaide would look like with this version of pruning. It is about %23 smaller. Discuss. Neutralaccounting 23:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Do we really need two photos of Rundle Mall in an already cluttered article? The 1988 photo with the Malls Balls is iconic but out of date, while the modern photo is of one of the malls less photogenic angles. Perhaps a new photo should be added, with, for example, the Malls Balls in the foreground and Adelaide Arcade in the background? Just a suggestion.-- AtD 15:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I just wrote a huge artical on entertainment in Adelaide and before it could even be posted it was deleted. This took me hours and it was not nonsense infact it was very helpful yet it was deleted and I want to know who did this and why!!
Kind regards John Harrison Highns 02:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
P.S. I am a member of the WikiProject Australia. John Harrison Highns 02:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Welcome John - At present your contribution is still the most recent. I think you will find it at the bottom of the Adelaide page, just above the notes section. It has not been deleted. SauliH 03:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Please can someone clean up the entertainment section, it looks like it's been written by a child. The spelling and grammar are awful, and it hardly gives a good impression for our great city. Thanks, Andrew
I added the band
Locura to the music section, I believe they satisfy the notability guidelines.
Could some one possibly find out the Degrees, Minutes and Seconds for Adelaide and fix them as most other Major Australian cities are in DMS???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.158.45.83 ( talk) 08:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC).
It would be good if someone could add a pic/paranormic photo of Adelaide's night skyline from the Adelaide Hills. RaptorRobot 10:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Cyberjunkie, no there nots. Of at least we need an update because the city skyline in changing with those new buildings being built.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.160.133.39 ( talk • contribs) 15:30, 9 April 2007 (ACST.
Does anyone have a better image of the state flag?
The current one, particularly the piping shriker image, looks positively amatuerish, and the colors look wrong too.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fashion cadaver ( talk • contribs) 11:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC).
I've added citations for the Formula 1 moving to Melbourne, and the State Bank collapse. The F1 citation could be better, and the other could possibly be merged with the one from the Economics section. Better than none though. Kevin 01:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
It is not possible that the city of Adelaide, Postcode 5000, has a population of 1.1 million. Even 3,000 would be pushing it. I think it should be mentioned that the 1.1. million encompasses 'X' square kilometers/miles of suburbia as it is otherwise misleading. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.122.240.225 ( talk • contribs).
this article on Adelaide is incomplete without a picture of adelaide's city skyline. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.90.188.216 ( talk) 05:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
I added a photo of the city skyline. I took the photo my self. -- Jamiec1962 19:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Done one Image:Streetmap of Adelaide and North Adelaide.svg - any thoughts on whether this is usefull for the article and what changes are needed ? - Peripitus (Talk) 10:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Finished. Needs some more work and I can't work out where in the article it'd go. Thoughts on issues with the map or it's use in the article anyone ? - Peripitus (Talk) 21:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
It has been told that Adelaide has run out of 8000 numbers and are now using 7000 numbers (e.g. 7000 0001) From now on, if you apply for a new number, you'll get a 7000 one like mine. The 7000 number is now used in Queensland AND Adelaide. Tom140996 ( talk) 22:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
B class, needs to improve citations, image usage and layout. I also removed an image as its a fair use without rationale IMHO it'd be difficult to justify a FU image of a News report in a city article. Gnan garra 11:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The monthly average data is inaccurate and should be removed until such a time as it is replaced.
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The main picture is very hard to see. Before I signed up there was a better picture with the convention centre in it. What happened to that? I am new here, sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seven Senses ( talk • contribs) 05:56, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I want to know how "Adelaide" pronounces in IPA. A transliteration problem about the name occurs on our language of Wikipedia. -- Octra Bond ( talk) 04:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Definitely "a-de-laide" (or maybe "ad-e-laide"), three syllables. In my experience the "ad-laide" pronunciation is only used in verse where it must be two syllables, a la The Pride of South Australia. Not sure where to find a cite for this, though. -- Yeti Hunter ( talk) 16:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks all above comments -- Octra Bond ( talk) 15:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Could this article possibly become a GA in the near future. It looks fairy well organised and well written. Aaroncrick ( Tassie Talk) 00:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
There was a group pact on the new year of 2008 to get all the capital cities and states and territories to FA/GA but nothing happened. Maybe it's time to revive it? YellowMonkey ( cricket calendar poll!) 07:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the claim, "It is roughly a linear city" because Adelaide does not sound anything like that described in the article. It would be better to simply show the shape of the city with a good map delineating its boundaries, rather than trying to describe it in words. -- Beland 18:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
'Towel shaped' is probably the best word. 121.209.49.56 ( talk) 06:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
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I remember watching a TV programme a couple of years ago about Adelaide having a terrible Murder rate. Is or was this the case as it seems like such a nice place in the photos. Holden 27
What a strange analogy, but then Adelaide is a very strange place. Of course the Snowtown murders are an embodiment of Adelaide's unique style. ( what a ludicris offensive statement ) As an interstater, the first thing I noticed was how much poverty and mental illness there was in this city. Dear old Adelaide is a place of extremes. It exhibits a seedy underbelly of extreme feralness while claiming a mantle of high culture on the other. The murders here have recurring themes that centre around pedaphiles, homosexuals and transvestites. Lord knows why the government tries to attract migrants. The truth is that unless your kids have a university degree they are likely to end up working in a factory or within the service industry. Even with a degree you may not find a decent job and will have to leave.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.29.3.129 ( talk • contribs) 17:29, 28 January 2006.
Adelaide has a very large urban area for a city of 1.1 million and its suprising the urban area is so large considering Adelaide overall on average has the highest density of people per square Kilometer (615/km²) out of all five major Australian cities. I mean the Northern suburbs extend quite far but the Southern suburbs just go on and on. I made a relevant reference to this under the section "Urban Layout" but someone took it away. Why? what I said is true and I'm from this city so I think I play a role in adding to the page on it. User talk:You Are Here 20:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone think we should take photos of Rundle Mall, Glenelg or the Festival Theatre and put them up here? If you were visiting Adelaide what sort of things would you like to know about the place?
There are already articles for Rundle Mall and Glenelg, any pictures that we might find or take should go there. As for the Festival Theatre...we can always start :) MaXim
Yes, add more pics, include heritage buildings from street level, beaches, Adelaide oval etc. I vote to dump the skyline pic ... too glamourous, this is not a travel brochure. I may add some when I get a round tuit. Solander 21 Apr 2005
I will try to take some high quality photos with my Sony Digi Camera over the next weeks. Be a tourist in my own town for a day. :) Andreasu 10:18, 03 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Is it a good idea to have a Adelaide gallery (pictures of Adelaide) on Adelaide? Because I added two pictures on Adelaide and were later deleted. Andreasu 06 Jun 2005
The article states that Adelaide is located on the Fleurieu Peninsula. In fact, this peninsula does not technically begin until some way south of the city, in the Adelaide Hills.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.136.181.160 ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 22 July 2005.
I added an image to the top of the Adelaide page, showing the skyline. It was promptly moved, and I would like to object to this - the first thing people see when they visit the site is a drab coat of arms and a contents page. An immediate picture helps to make the article seem more interesting. Compare to the Los Angeles page.
- Michaelgabrielsen 11:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Recently, there has been a proliferation of sub-headings in the article. Whilst these headings have been accompanied by truly valuable information, I would like to advise against their use. Generally, (and having being involved in several FAC's I can attest), headings are avoided as they un-necessarily inflate the contents table and interupt the flow of the prose. (It used to be possible to create sub-headings that did not appear in the contents, but the recent MediaWiki upgrade repealed this function.) I have revised the page to reflect this.-- Cyberjunkie | Talk 11:14, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Headings by themselves are necessary; sections do enhance the presentation of information. However, sub-headings really do not contribute anything, and are avoided in preference of defined paragraphs. I too would like to see Adelaide become a featured article, although much remains to be done in that regard. Perhaps the best guide or template for Adelaide is Canberra, which is itself the subject of an effort, driven by nixie, to achieve feature status for Australian city articles. Canberra is being modelled on Johannesburg and Mumbai, an article frequently invoked as a benchmark for city articles. I have over the past few months been compiling information I plan to use in this article (especially with regards to demographics and history/culture), but am about to enter an especially hectic period of the university semester. The further reading section I added contains two books of particular usefulness. There is also a very brief (almost deficient) to-do list on this page. Please add ideas to it that you think necessary. Happy editing, -- Cyberjunkie | Talk 07:03, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
New section: "Layout of Adelaide"??
I am thinking about a new section for this article becuase there is no separate article for the CBD (this one potentially includes information about the whole metro area from Reynella to Munno Para). Where would it be best to put info about the layout and arrangement of the CBD itself and the parklands? In the tasklist there is mention of a section that would include "Light's vision" which would be great I think - not just relevant in history section because it is also about the present. Look forward to working on this, but where - in a new section or a new article?
The layout of Adelaide section would include: summary and/or list of the major features in and around parklands and CBD - eg. Botanic gardens, Himeji gardens, lists of major streets, North Tce, Rundle St, etc.
But maybe this is the wrong way to go about it. After all precincts like Norwood Pde deserve the same attention as Rundle St, but isn't in the CBD/Nth Ad/parklands and would miss out...
-- Lisa 05:11, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
An anonymous editor has added an internet radio station to the Adelaide radio list. Does this qualify? --
Cyber
junkie 16:25, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
(an old section moved from above to be here) Lisa 01:10, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi all, sorry i had a few issues trying to figure out this talk page thing, but glad to discuss the issues with this link. I shall cover off a few point now, 1) i have no affliation with the station, except that i am an avid listener to it 2) There seems to be an issue becuase its not licenced as a comercial station, thats true it is not. But currently laws in Australia do not regulate webradio station that are non comercial , except for the fact that this station is licenced with APRA, and therefore is licenced to its fullest capabilities. I beleive the station should be listed on this page because of the following reasons 1) its extremely unique to Adelaide (infact Adelaide first and only webradio station. 2) Has conformed to all licencing policies. 3) For these reasons and that it does seek to support Adelaide artists and the 'arts' in general it should be listed in the main index. You comments please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Turbo ( talk • contribs) Scott Davis Talk 01:43, 17 September 2005 (UTC).
Hi Adelaide editors. I have temporarily protected the page to stop the revert war over the inclusion of the above mentioned internet radio station. In my experience internet radio stations have to be quite significant in terms of site traffic and so on to pass through the deletion process, this station's site has a page rank of three million + on Alexa (1 is most popular site on the internet). So how about a straw poll to guage concensus amongst editors to decide if a mention of this site stays in this Article?-- nixie 08:01, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
If the guy's determined to use wikipedia for advertising purposes it could always be mentioned here on the talk page. That's what I would have done if I were in his position rather than start an unwinnable edit war. As an anonymous editor I don't think this person's got the right idea of what wikipedia is about (i.e. an encyclopedia). - Diceman 13:36, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Consensus seems to be to keep it out, I've unprotected the article so you folks can get on with things. I'll keep watching this article for any persistent additions.--
nixie
10:33, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
This has nothing to do with the article but I'm wondering it for my own sake, did Adelaide and Melbourne have any rivalry before the Grand Prix was moved, are they rivals outside of the field of securing economic opportunities? I put "arch-rivals" in the grand prix paragraph but that's how feelings between the two cities seemed to me. I was about to put "long-standing rivals" instead but that might be untrue as I didn't pay any real attention to interstate politics before the change in venue. For all I know Sydney and Melbourne might have a greater rivalry. - Diceman 16:56, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Cyberjunkie is pretty much right about that but Sydney has never usurped them in the sense that Sydney has always had a stronger resonance with others from o/s and here as Australia's centre. Melbourne's relationship with Adelaide has always been playing the bigger, bullying brother. While we are on this topic, thought this article was interesting. Talks about how the rivarly kind of started (SA v Vic):
http://www.abc.net.au/westernvic/stories/s1411014.htm
Frances76 05:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
It has been suggested that the rivalry originates from the South Australia-Victoria border dispute. However, I've always thought it had more to do with sport - in particular Aussie Rules, and whether the VFL (now AFL) was better than SANFL. The VFL always had a larger fan base and so more money, which is what matters in the end. Pingku 06:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Further to the previous discussion about photos...
I know this is not a tourist brochure but I miss those other two photos that were up the top of the Adelaide article a few months back. And that "View of the Adelaide Plains from the Mount Lofty Ranges" photo, while quite artistic and beautiful is of very little informational value in my opinion. Perhaps some slightly more zoomed in pics for geography? And for education, some photos of the universities might be nice...
One editor suggested making a gallery of thumbnails of pics of Adelaide. I think this might be a good way to include all acceptable photos of Adelaide in one spot so 1) we, the editors know where they are; 2) readers have access to images that add value in a small way; 3) we all can have a single repository of copyright-free photos of Adelaide.
Your thoughts? Donama 07:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Does anybody know where in Adelaide ore refining is done? I think it might be more South Australia rather than Adelaide related. Kevin 12:39, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
How can Adelaide music be given some note under culture? For example the List of Australian hardcore punk groups article refers to a number of Adelaide based bands. Currently the Prominent Adelaidians section notes a number of musicians. Paul foord 05:57, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Good start on this section. However, I should just mention that there was not opposition to Light's design of Adelaide, but his choice of site. Governor Hindmarsh, being the obstinate and authoritarian man that he was, insisted most stridently that Adelaide be a harbour (or coastal) city and advanced the Port River, Holdfast Bay, Kangaroo Island and Boston Bay (Port Lincoln) as locales - the latter two of which would have certainly seen the colony fail. Ultimately though, it was not his decision, and Light and his supporters obtained support the Commissioners in London (much to Hindmarsh's chagrin). -- Cyberjunkie | Talk 13:58, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Just a quick question. The article stated that Light's layout was inspired by the garden city movement. However, that article states the movement didn't start until 1899. So either that article is wrong or the Adelaide article is erroneous. Does someone want to check on that?
While it's good to see expansion of this article, I've removed some of the recent changes to the article because they require references and some were not Adelaide-specific; they were broadly state-focused.-- cj | talk 13:20, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
The demographics section refers to a high level of immigrants in the North Western suburbs (Salisbury, Golden Groves). These two suburbs are in the North East. Hoping someone else will correct this since I am not aware of whether this refers to the North East or whether different example suburbs should be listed.
Hallett Cove as a wealthier and more educated suburb?? First I've heard of it. Me thinks this was written by a HC resident!!
Got to love the references to him being the saviour for South Australia. Personally I'd disagree (while his social policies and reforms may have benefited, his transport and economonic ones did not). I'd remove the reference to Don. He's already praised enough both in the culture section and in his own article. -
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14:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Is it just me or do the images added by rocky88 make this article look damn ugly. would revert but thought i'd leave it to people who contribute to the article to decide if it needs reverting. Bartimaeus 12:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
It needs a slight prune and a copyedit. Any takers? -
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06:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Would this section be able to be moved to another article and listed under "see also" down the bottom? It's not on the other city articles and doesn't work in well with following the guidelines that Canberra has set. -
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03:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
There are too many conflicting numbers of the Adelaide population. What to use? according to this
link the population of Adelaide (including the outer region, 2001) is 1 224 804. If there are no responses or other suggestions I'll be changing them all over soon. -
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09:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
What I don't understand is how in the main body of text it says that Adelaide's population is almost 1.3 million, yet on the side in the fact box it states that it is 1,124,315 (to me, that is closer to 1.1 million!) . Would someone please be good enough to correct this difference, either by defining what regions are used to define these populations or correcting the wrong one so they match (which I presume is 1.3 million). Frances76 05:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
The change would bring the article more in line with Canberra (which is FA)
Suggested Layout:
Any suggestions/comments? -
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02:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, featured city articles typically have, health, transport (usually the longest of the three) and utilites; its important not to break that into to many subsections as it really extends the table of contents. So, they are the three infrastructure sections I'd aim for. A Y Arktos did a comparison of the material in the features cities which you guys may find interesting ,it is at Talk:Canberra.
If I can offer some peer review the transport section currently in the article is getting a little long, there is too much historical detail and transport cruft (someone in Rome isn't going to care if John Howard opened the airport). More generally try and keep the article around 40 kb, we did it for Autralia, so it should be possible here. The history section for example is a bit more padded than it could be to convey the really interesting things from Adelaide's history. It's probably also a good idea to replace as many of the non-free images in the article as possible, try the commons and flickr - it'll make the FAC process easier when the article is ready.-- nixie 03:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Oliyoung removed an update to the Port Adelaide Football Club suggesting it was about something called PortPower, There is no such thing called Port Power. There is however the Port Adelaide Football Club est 1870, that was formerly known as the Magpies, the club no longer plays in the SANFL and now plays in the AFL, the clubs team is nicknamed "Power" and the club had a long and proud history in the SANFL up until 1996. The PAFC website will show you the club history, which is correct and the PAMFC website also points out the PAFC joined the AFL. Why do so many take it unto themselves to try and change the clubs history and what the club tells you about itself ?
I propose we start using the Notability guidelines in sections such as music, famous people and other relevant areas in this article. We've had issues before with the notabilty of radio stations, and there are additions to the local musicians which are questionable at best. Oliyoung 00:40, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Just been flicking over the Perth discussion as well as this one, and am surprised that no one has dubbed Adelaide dull, boring or even resorted to it's famous 'overgrown country town' label. I have spent many years in both Adelaide and Perth, and in 2006, would confidently say that Perth is far less dull then Adelaide. The 'Perth lifestyle' seems enviable! Perth also presents more economic prosperitity than most parts of Australia (in line with NW WA exports). Not trying to start another inter-city bicker, Just find it hard to believe that this page does not already start on the topic of dullness- as Perths' does. Unfair i think. Any subscribers?
No. Its sheer opinion, easily refuted by someone else's perception and hence does not belong here. Something some Wikipedia subscribers simply cannot grasp.
Who cares? Baghdad is a very interesting town at the moment. Is anyone up for an Iraq holiday? ~ J. K. 06:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Spot on with Iraq.
Sorry, But i've heard much much more than the 'very clean' remark from people i have met returning from Perth.
This section is notably underwritten (not complete). This needs to be addressed; it ruins the image alignment too and just stands as a distraction from the rest of the article. Any suggestions for what else could be included in this part? michael talk 10:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
What is the deal with this, how come no australian cities have a flag or logo in the info box, I'm gonna add one when I find it, it's stupid every other city has either a logo or flag, but no australian cities do, why the hell is that?
I added some information about some popular nightclubs and added links as well, however it was reverted as they seemed to be advertisements. Regardless Nightlife information should be present on this article page and can I ask that you people keep it and contribute more information to it? Axle5084 06:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
After leaving Adelaide a few years ago, particularly initially, I was asked where my accent was from - "New Zealand?" "England?". Other people I have spoke to who have left Adelaide have reported the same thing. Seems to me this is a notable and interesting thing that should be addressed here?
I think it's something to be quite proud of - that Adelaideans have their own unique style of speech. Perhaps this came about from Adelaide not having a convict-based history? Nicknick
Renamed 'Governance' section as 'Politics and Government' to correspond with other Cities. Is this a mistake? If there is an Australian city template, my apologies. Also, Added Sister City section. Foster2008 01:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
<<Among their unique customs were burn-offs (controlled bushfires) in the Adelaide Hills which the early Europeans spotted before the Kaurna people were pushed out by settlement.>>
The chevronned quote is bizarre: 1. the Kaurna were not the only indigenous in Aust. to use burn-offs 2. there is no connection between their burn-offs and their expropriation 3. the verb "pushed out" is a not atypical downplaying of what actually happened ie land theft, as recognised eg by Edward John Eyre in his writings in the early 1840s. As Henry Reynolds writes, the 19th century British were much more honest than many Australians these days.
I once heard current lord mayor Michael Harbison speak about the concept of Adelaide's layout, which Colonel Light also used in Christchurch NZ, and Toronto. Apparently the grid layout interspersed with city squares, and the parklands "green belt" is derived from a medieval italian concept for the "perfect city", where every block of land would have park frontage (roads in those days being park-like). However I have never seen any documented reference to this "catonaic" urban plan and wonder if anyone knows anything further about it. I've also heard that the width of the parklands roughly corresponds to the range of a 19th century cannon. Can anyone confirm or debunk?-- EDH 00:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Adelaide To Do had request for pruning of entire article. Action taken. Adelaidepruned is the result. This is what Adelaide would look like with this version of pruning. It is about %23 smaller. Discuss. Neutralaccounting 23:01, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Do we really need two photos of Rundle Mall in an already cluttered article? The 1988 photo with the Malls Balls is iconic but out of date, while the modern photo is of one of the malls less photogenic angles. Perhaps a new photo should be added, with, for example, the Malls Balls in the foreground and Adelaide Arcade in the background? Just a suggestion.-- AtD 15:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I just wrote a huge artical on entertainment in Adelaide and before it could even be posted it was deleted. This took me hours and it was not nonsense infact it was very helpful yet it was deleted and I want to know who did this and why!!
Kind regards John Harrison Highns 02:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
P.S. I am a member of the WikiProject Australia. John Harrison Highns 02:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Welcome John - At present your contribution is still the most recent. I think you will find it at the bottom of the Adelaide page, just above the notes section. It has not been deleted. SauliH 03:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Please can someone clean up the entertainment section, it looks like it's been written by a child. The spelling and grammar are awful, and it hardly gives a good impression for our great city. Thanks, Andrew
I added the band
Locura to the music section, I believe they satisfy the notability guidelines.
Could some one possibly find out the Degrees, Minutes and Seconds for Adelaide and fix them as most other Major Australian cities are in DMS???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.158.45.83 ( talk) 08:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC).
It would be good if someone could add a pic/paranormic photo of Adelaide's night skyline from the Adelaide Hills. RaptorRobot 10:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Cyberjunkie, no there nots. Of at least we need an update because the city skyline in changing with those new buildings being built.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.160.133.39 ( talk • contribs) 15:30, 9 April 2007 (ACST.
Does anyone have a better image of the state flag?
The current one, particularly the piping shriker image, looks positively amatuerish, and the colors look wrong too.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fashion cadaver ( talk • contribs) 11:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC).
I've added citations for the Formula 1 moving to Melbourne, and the State Bank collapse. The F1 citation could be better, and the other could possibly be merged with the one from the Economics section. Better than none though. Kevin 01:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
It is not possible that the city of Adelaide, Postcode 5000, has a population of 1.1 million. Even 3,000 would be pushing it. I think it should be mentioned that the 1.1. million encompasses 'X' square kilometers/miles of suburbia as it is otherwise misleading. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.122.240.225 ( talk • contribs).
this article on Adelaide is incomplete without a picture of adelaide's city skyline. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.90.188.216 ( talk) 05:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
I added a photo of the city skyline. I took the photo my self. -- Jamiec1962 19:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Done one Image:Streetmap of Adelaide and North Adelaide.svg - any thoughts on whether this is usefull for the article and what changes are needed ? - Peripitus (Talk) 10:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Finished. Needs some more work and I can't work out where in the article it'd go. Thoughts on issues with the map or it's use in the article anyone ? - Peripitus (Talk) 21:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
It has been told that Adelaide has run out of 8000 numbers and are now using 7000 numbers (e.g. 7000 0001) From now on, if you apply for a new number, you'll get a 7000 one like mine. The 7000 number is now used in Queensland AND Adelaide. Tom140996 ( talk) 22:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
B class, needs to improve citations, image usage and layout. I also removed an image as its a fair use without rationale IMHO it'd be difficult to justify a FU image of a News report in a city article. Gnan garra 11:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The monthly average data is inaccurate and should be removed until such a time as it is replaced.
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The main picture is very hard to see. Before I signed up there was a better picture with the convention centre in it. What happened to that? I am new here, sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seven Senses ( talk • contribs) 05:56, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I want to know how "Adelaide" pronounces in IPA. A transliteration problem about the name occurs on our language of Wikipedia. -- Octra Bond ( talk) 04:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Definitely "a-de-laide" (or maybe "ad-e-laide"), three syllables. In my experience the "ad-laide" pronunciation is only used in verse where it must be two syllables, a la The Pride of South Australia. Not sure where to find a cite for this, though. -- Yeti Hunter ( talk) 16:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks all above comments -- Octra Bond ( talk) 15:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Could this article possibly become a GA in the near future. It looks fairy well organised and well written. Aaroncrick ( Tassie Talk) 00:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
There was a group pact on the new year of 2008 to get all the capital cities and states and territories to FA/GA but nothing happened. Maybe it's time to revive it? YellowMonkey ( cricket calendar poll!) 07:27, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the claim, "It is roughly a linear city" because Adelaide does not sound anything like that described in the article. It would be better to simply show the shape of the city with a good map delineating its boundaries, rather than trying to describe it in words. -- Beland 18:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
'Towel shaped' is probably the best word. 121.209.49.56 ( talk) 06:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)