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I have reverted the edit made by Fabartus to this article because I have identified a number of issues with those revisions:
The JOKE is the current article... though admittedly t'was not my best work.
Thanks for the courtesy CrispMuncher, I appreciate the message. On the edit, admittedly, I was late night winging it, but back in the days I did microprocessor designs (5) load capacitance was a big deal in board layout design and remedial measures. Doubly so in backplane architectures, so perhaps MOS technology has improved... it's been a while since I looked at any chips specs--well over a decade and a half now that I think about it.
Admittedly chip technology has advanced a few quantum, and runs are so much shorter now that much is no longer a first order effect but it was also my understanding that data through rates were still clocked way below processor tic rates. I KNOW my desktop, with 2Ghz processor has a data clock of 4Mhz, so perhaps you need to check a bit further before throwing out that baby with the bath water. Perhaps 4 Mhz is no longer the ceiling, but then I've been away from hardware aspects for a long while.
The excess-to-and-off-topic is admittedly something I knew, but at that hour, after 15-20 phrasings and rephrasings and moving this sentence there or here... figured I'd revise and extend some other day. Frankly, it was a very unplanned edit, solely triggered by the fact that I WAS AND AM TOTALLY AMAZED such fundamentals weren't covered exhaustively AND WELL three or four years back. See Data bus for a good CRY. Don't look hard... it's not there, and neither is I/O bus that I can find. Bus (computing) is so busy linking other articles it doesn't educate either. Last I looked we were an educational project of an educational foundation... has that changed?
So far as I can see the article is very poor as is... so fix it. It really doesn't convey to anyone outside the computer fields anything about how a bus works and why its important...
Your VESA local bus reference is really off point. Local bus optimized for word DMA transfers is not the main memory address bus, but I am and was aware there a are a relatively few installations using full word addressing without byte capability... THAT is information that should be buried if mentioned at all... why confuse people you're trying to give the basics.
As the article stands, on a quality scale 1-5, it tops out at .5, so you want to revert... I don't revert. But suggest you get your writers hat on and start servicing the customers per WP:NOT PAPERS. ANY IDIOT trained in the field can through jargon into a page. It takes skilled writing and a lot of effort to convey information clearly that is not depedent upon linking to get the gist across so Johnny Nineyearsold can see whats what. I tend to avoid professional topics for ones more in line with avocations like geology and history, but if computer topics go on needing TLC, you'll see me take a hand when needed. I've already put data bus on my TO-DO Bookmarks, surprise me and beat me to it. // Fra nkB 05:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC) (xpost, CrispMuncher)
I stand corrected. 400 Mhz is overlooking a few multiples of tens. The first micros I designed with were lucky to handle 1 Mhz if and only if one exceeded manufacturers recommendations, so ... call it mental inertia... or what I do. A brain fart. Sucks to get older. The second I chose for it's task, by the way, because it could handle 2 Mhz... the minicomputer it was being interfaced to had a clock of ca. 700 Khz as I recall. We got a laugh that the periphial was more advanced than the platform it serviced. Times have changed!
I think the overall thing that needs ironed out is what should be covered in which articles, and names for those. If we postulate Address bus should inform a lay person the basics of what it does, ditto I/O bus, and ditto Data bus, some discussion of the specialty buses can be handled in buses (computers) or other title such as computer bus types. That focuses the material. Perhaps another general educational encyclopedia should be consulted, several really. We aren't limited to their coverage, but for the basic fundamental articles, probably shouldn't exceed them much either.
Bottom line, some tutorial instruction is needful on one page or another, or we're just writing for each other. Basic information needs be conveyed or we might as well just all go masterbate—which at least will have a personal result.
The title is supposed to be elaborated upon by the article. One need not get too complicated to get across it inneracts with different kinds of memory, to open the gate to the correct pigeonhole. I just keep seeing computer articles talking way over a customers heads. That stuff should be in different article. The computer buses article makes a fair start in that direction, iirc. This title, data bus, and I/O bus should be elementary material and coverage, or alternatively, a address bus (fundamentals), data bus (fundamentals), I/O... should be written and kept separate save for see also links. Might even consider legacy schemas and some dates in title break outs, but danged if I'd want to research that. On the other hand, others may know exactly where to find cites and already have a good handle of the relative histories. So kick that around too. I'm not really gonna poke my head in here beyond my occasional fly-by edits. So refocus on the customers needs and proceed from there and do your best. No one can ask more of anyone than that. Cheers. // Fra nkB 22:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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I have reverted the edit made by Fabartus to this article because I have identified a number of issues with those revisions:
The JOKE is the current article... though admittedly t'was not my best work.
Thanks for the courtesy CrispMuncher, I appreciate the message. On the edit, admittedly, I was late night winging it, but back in the days I did microprocessor designs (5) load capacitance was a big deal in board layout design and remedial measures. Doubly so in backplane architectures, so perhaps MOS technology has improved... it's been a while since I looked at any chips specs--well over a decade and a half now that I think about it.
Admittedly chip technology has advanced a few quantum, and runs are so much shorter now that much is no longer a first order effect but it was also my understanding that data through rates were still clocked way below processor tic rates. I KNOW my desktop, with 2Ghz processor has a data clock of 4Mhz, so perhaps you need to check a bit further before throwing out that baby with the bath water. Perhaps 4 Mhz is no longer the ceiling, but then I've been away from hardware aspects for a long while.
The excess-to-and-off-topic is admittedly something I knew, but at that hour, after 15-20 phrasings and rephrasings and moving this sentence there or here... figured I'd revise and extend some other day. Frankly, it was a very unplanned edit, solely triggered by the fact that I WAS AND AM TOTALLY AMAZED such fundamentals weren't covered exhaustively AND WELL three or four years back. See Data bus for a good CRY. Don't look hard... it's not there, and neither is I/O bus that I can find. Bus (computing) is so busy linking other articles it doesn't educate either. Last I looked we were an educational project of an educational foundation... has that changed?
So far as I can see the article is very poor as is... so fix it. It really doesn't convey to anyone outside the computer fields anything about how a bus works and why its important...
Your VESA local bus reference is really off point. Local bus optimized for word DMA transfers is not the main memory address bus, but I am and was aware there a are a relatively few installations using full word addressing without byte capability... THAT is information that should be buried if mentioned at all... why confuse people you're trying to give the basics.
As the article stands, on a quality scale 1-5, it tops out at .5, so you want to revert... I don't revert. But suggest you get your writers hat on and start servicing the customers per WP:NOT PAPERS. ANY IDIOT trained in the field can through jargon into a page. It takes skilled writing and a lot of effort to convey information clearly that is not depedent upon linking to get the gist across so Johnny Nineyearsold can see whats what. I tend to avoid professional topics for ones more in line with avocations like geology and history, but if computer topics go on needing TLC, you'll see me take a hand when needed. I've already put data bus on my TO-DO Bookmarks, surprise me and beat me to it. // Fra nkB 05:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC) (xpost, CrispMuncher)
I stand corrected. 400 Mhz is overlooking a few multiples of tens. The first micros I designed with were lucky to handle 1 Mhz if and only if one exceeded manufacturers recommendations, so ... call it mental inertia... or what I do. A brain fart. Sucks to get older. The second I chose for it's task, by the way, because it could handle 2 Mhz... the minicomputer it was being interfaced to had a clock of ca. 700 Khz as I recall. We got a laugh that the periphial was more advanced than the platform it serviced. Times have changed!
I think the overall thing that needs ironed out is what should be covered in which articles, and names for those. If we postulate Address bus should inform a lay person the basics of what it does, ditto I/O bus, and ditto Data bus, some discussion of the specialty buses can be handled in buses (computers) or other title such as computer bus types. That focuses the material. Perhaps another general educational encyclopedia should be consulted, several really. We aren't limited to their coverage, but for the basic fundamental articles, probably shouldn't exceed them much either.
Bottom line, some tutorial instruction is needful on one page or another, or we're just writing for each other. Basic information needs be conveyed or we might as well just all go masterbate—which at least will have a personal result.
The title is supposed to be elaborated upon by the article. One need not get too complicated to get across it inneracts with different kinds of memory, to open the gate to the correct pigeonhole. I just keep seeing computer articles talking way over a customers heads. That stuff should be in different article. The computer buses article makes a fair start in that direction, iirc. This title, data bus, and I/O bus should be elementary material and coverage, or alternatively, a address bus (fundamentals), data bus (fundamentals), I/O... should be written and kept separate save for see also links. Might even consider legacy schemas and some dates in title break outs, but danged if I'd want to research that. On the other hand, others may know exactly where to find cites and already have a good handle of the relative histories. So kick that around too. I'm not really gonna poke my head in here beyond my occasional fly-by edits. So refocus on the customers needs and proceed from there and do your best. No one can ask more of anyone than that. Cheers. // Fra nkB 22:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)