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As FLVSstudent417 attempted to do, I suggest we change the name of the title of the "Pastiches, continuations, and other uses" section, as the term "pastiches", is not commonly used, as should be changed according to the Wikipedia rules of WP:COMMONNAME.-- Navarre0107 ( talk) 14:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
The section needs to be sourced or removed. Most of the entries are personal observation/opinion POV. The ones I removed today have little relevance and can in no way be construed as "adaptations." Most include often random similarities or distant tangents. MOS is clear that "passing mentions" - which includes accidental or distant similarities - do not qualify as adaptations. More need to be removed. To remain here or for new ones to be added 1) a secondary source is needed, and 2) there needs to be an explicit connection to the plot or characters of the original. "Scrooge-like" in the opinion of an editor does not qualify. Sensei48 ( talk) 08:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
I disagree with the terms casual, passing or fragmentary in the case of A Christmas Carol adaptations. First I understand the the Wikipedia protocols but I also believe that there are and must be exceptions to the rule when works of classic literature are involved. In the case of the adaptations of A Christmas Carol on the TV Episodes list they present more then casual, passing or fragmentary connections to Dickens Novella. Works of classic literature have been adapted in various ways, shapes and sizes for countless years and as such no adaptation should be overlooked or omitted. Such omission is unfair to the original source material and its author.
The adaptations page for A Christmas Carol is not the only page related to a work of classic literature with a similar adaptations list.
Please have look at the IPC page for Frankenstein /info/en/?search=Frankenstein_in_popular_culture
Frankenstein is a classic novel written by Mary Shelly as is A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens
As you can see the IPC page for this work of classic literature is much longer than that for A Christmas Carol. In fact the IPC page repeatedly uses the word "derivatives" in describing many of the individual items on the list. Also the within that IPC page many of the sub-sections have introductory paragraphs similar to the one I wrote last night, yet no parts of that page seemed to have been flagged? Also the Frankenstein IPC page has far fewer footnotes or citations.
The same type of IPC list can be found for Dracula by Bram Stoker again longer than the page for A Christmas Carol and again with fewer footnotes or citations. Again as is the case with page for Frankenstein nothing has been flagged.
The adaptation list for A Christmas Carol was not created by myself but it has been existence for many years. For most that time it the list was broken down into just 10 sub sections with 10th sub sub-section given the heading "Pastiches, continuations, and other uses". This sub-section of the list became a disorganized mess with no real system of organization. As the list grew this last sub-section became more and more disorganized and confusing. I am not sure when the section title was changed to "Derivative Works" but it works better then the previous headings I should also point out that the previously mentioned pages for Frankenstein and Dracula use the word "Derivatives". My editing of this sub-section was done to bring a clear sense of organization to the list to bring about ease of use and ease of further expansion.
2601:180:C100:8920:7938:685D:63B3:8B65 ( talk) 19:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)Tj Higgins
While I understand the need for strictures and the need for sourcing on Wikipedia the items in the TV Episodes list are not casual, passing or fragmentary connections to Dickens Novella. Each episode listed presents a telling of Dickens story using the theme, character, characterizations and other aspects of Dickens tale.
At the bottom the adaptations page for A Christmas Carol there is heading labeled "Further Reading". There is one item listed in this section and it is:
"Fred Guida, A Christmas Carol and Its Adaptations: Dickens's Story on Screen and Television, McFarland & Company, 2000. ISBN 0-7864-0738-7." This is the only definitive guide to adaptations of A Christmas Carol and many of the TV episodes listed in the adaptation list can be found in this book. However the book was published 14 years ago and has not been updated. As a result any adaptations of A Christmas Carol that have happened since the book was published are not included.
The author Fred Guida is known as follows: The author of the blog charlesdickensonscreen.com. He is also a film consultant and programmer at the Yale Center for British Art in New Haven, Connecticut, and has taught film studies at Quinnipiac University and Connecticut College.
As I understand it the entire Christmas Carol adaptations list is based on his book and his research and review of many many adaptations.
I will not argue this any more as we will have to agree to disagree
TjHiggins66 ( talk) 20:47, 9 April 2020 (UTC)Tj Higgins
This page is stuffed with non-notable and unsourced material, and needs a good clean-up. Many new unsourced things are being added right now, and those ought to be challenged and the editor asked to provide a source, rather than just being ignored. Older non-sourced material needs systematic review. I'll add a few tags to get the processs started. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 12:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
It's even worse than I had thought. Almost all of the theatre section lists unsourced local productions that are almost certainly not notable. We shouldn't be maintaining a random list of every minor production. I'd like to make it clearer that we want only productions that are notable in their own right, in some way. The rest - probably most of the ones I've tagged - should be deleted. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 12:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Missing the Christmas Carole with George C. Scott as Scrooge 38.21.40.232 ( talk) 16:07, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
There's also an Iranian movie called A Nowruz Carol which is adapted from A Christmas Carol. But with Nowruz as the new year instead of Christmas. Aminabzz ( talk) 16:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 17 January 2024 and 7 May 2024. Further details are available
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— Assignment last updated by Eaturvegeez ( talk) 00:11, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Good afternoon, everyone! I am considering adding some subheadings that organize the list of adaptations by dates. (Ex: 1970s, 1980s, 2000s, etc.) I think that this will help organize the long lists of bullet points and help readers who are looking for a specific adaption. For adaptations with the same date (ex: two films that both aired in 1975), I think it would be helpful to categorize them by title. Siceli ( talk) 17:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello all. As of now, I have inserted timeline subheadings to assist with breaking up long chunks of text, and to help readers find specific adaptions. I also organized some adaptations with the same date by title, and made some minor revisions to film and episode descriptions so they read more smoothly. Overall, I believe the page is now slightly easier to navigate! :) Siceli ( talk) 00:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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As FLVSstudent417 attempted to do, I suggest we change the name of the title of the "Pastiches, continuations, and other uses" section, as the term "pastiches", is not commonly used, as should be changed according to the Wikipedia rules of WP:COMMONNAME.-- Navarre0107 ( talk) 14:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
The section needs to be sourced or removed. Most of the entries are personal observation/opinion POV. The ones I removed today have little relevance and can in no way be construed as "adaptations." Most include often random similarities or distant tangents. MOS is clear that "passing mentions" - which includes accidental or distant similarities - do not qualify as adaptations. More need to be removed. To remain here or for new ones to be added 1) a secondary source is needed, and 2) there needs to be an explicit connection to the plot or characters of the original. "Scrooge-like" in the opinion of an editor does not qualify. Sensei48 ( talk) 08:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
I disagree with the terms casual, passing or fragmentary in the case of A Christmas Carol adaptations. First I understand the the Wikipedia protocols but I also believe that there are and must be exceptions to the rule when works of classic literature are involved. In the case of the adaptations of A Christmas Carol on the TV Episodes list they present more then casual, passing or fragmentary connections to Dickens Novella. Works of classic literature have been adapted in various ways, shapes and sizes for countless years and as such no adaptation should be overlooked or omitted. Such omission is unfair to the original source material and its author.
The adaptations page for A Christmas Carol is not the only page related to a work of classic literature with a similar adaptations list.
Please have look at the IPC page for Frankenstein /info/en/?search=Frankenstein_in_popular_culture
Frankenstein is a classic novel written by Mary Shelly as is A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens
As you can see the IPC page for this work of classic literature is much longer than that for A Christmas Carol. In fact the IPC page repeatedly uses the word "derivatives" in describing many of the individual items on the list. Also the within that IPC page many of the sub-sections have introductory paragraphs similar to the one I wrote last night, yet no parts of that page seemed to have been flagged? Also the Frankenstein IPC page has far fewer footnotes or citations.
The same type of IPC list can be found for Dracula by Bram Stoker again longer than the page for A Christmas Carol and again with fewer footnotes or citations. Again as is the case with page for Frankenstein nothing has been flagged.
The adaptation list for A Christmas Carol was not created by myself but it has been existence for many years. For most that time it the list was broken down into just 10 sub sections with 10th sub sub-section given the heading "Pastiches, continuations, and other uses". This sub-section of the list became a disorganized mess with no real system of organization. As the list grew this last sub-section became more and more disorganized and confusing. I am not sure when the section title was changed to "Derivative Works" but it works better then the previous headings I should also point out that the previously mentioned pages for Frankenstein and Dracula use the word "Derivatives". My editing of this sub-section was done to bring a clear sense of organization to the list to bring about ease of use and ease of further expansion.
2601:180:C100:8920:7938:685D:63B3:8B65 ( talk) 19:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)Tj Higgins
While I understand the need for strictures and the need for sourcing on Wikipedia the items in the TV Episodes list are not casual, passing or fragmentary connections to Dickens Novella. Each episode listed presents a telling of Dickens story using the theme, character, characterizations and other aspects of Dickens tale.
At the bottom the adaptations page for A Christmas Carol there is heading labeled "Further Reading". There is one item listed in this section and it is:
"Fred Guida, A Christmas Carol and Its Adaptations: Dickens's Story on Screen and Television, McFarland & Company, 2000. ISBN 0-7864-0738-7." This is the only definitive guide to adaptations of A Christmas Carol and many of the TV episodes listed in the adaptation list can be found in this book. However the book was published 14 years ago and has not been updated. As a result any adaptations of A Christmas Carol that have happened since the book was published are not included.
The author Fred Guida is known as follows: The author of the blog charlesdickensonscreen.com. He is also a film consultant and programmer at the Yale Center for British Art in New Haven, Connecticut, and has taught film studies at Quinnipiac University and Connecticut College.
As I understand it the entire Christmas Carol adaptations list is based on his book and his research and review of many many adaptations.
I will not argue this any more as we will have to agree to disagree
TjHiggins66 ( talk) 20:47, 9 April 2020 (UTC)Tj Higgins
This page is stuffed with non-notable and unsourced material, and needs a good clean-up. Many new unsourced things are being added right now, and those ought to be challenged and the editor asked to provide a source, rather than just being ignored. Older non-sourced material needs systematic review. I'll add a few tags to get the processs started. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 12:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
It's even worse than I had thought. Almost all of the theatre section lists unsourced local productions that are almost certainly not notable. We shouldn't be maintaining a random list of every minor production. I'd like to make it clearer that we want only productions that are notable in their own right, in some way. The rest - probably most of the ones I've tagged - should be deleted. MichaelMaggs ( talk) 12:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Missing the Christmas Carole with George C. Scott as Scrooge 38.21.40.232 ( talk) 16:07, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
There's also an Iranian movie called A Nowruz Carol which is adapted from A Christmas Carol. But with Nowruz as the new year instead of Christmas. Aminabzz ( talk) 16:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 17 January 2024 and 7 May 2024. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Siceli (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Eaturvegeez ( talk) 00:11, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Good afternoon, everyone! I am considering adding some subheadings that organize the list of adaptations by dates. (Ex: 1970s, 1980s, 2000s, etc.) I think that this will help organize the long lists of bullet points and help readers who are looking for a specific adaption. For adaptations with the same date (ex: two films that both aired in 1975), I think it would be helpful to categorize them by title. Siceli ( talk) 17:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello all. As of now, I have inserted timeline subheadings to assist with breaking up long chunks of text, and to help readers find specific adaptions. I also organized some adaptations with the same date by title, and made some minor revisions to film and episode descriptions so they read more smoothly. Overall, I believe the page is now slightly easier to navigate! :) Siceli ( talk) 00:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)