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Is argumentum ad nauseam necessarialy the FALSE proof? If I argue something "ad nauseam" and it's true, is it no longer AAN?
The example provided is extremely unnecessary, and really unbalanced, IMO...
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The example given seems to be a gratuitous attempt to mention Rush Limbaugh on the same page as Joseph Goebbels.
In any case, Limbaugh commits many varied fallacies, and without a more specific example of "ad nauseum", this example does nothing to illuminate the topic.
Limbaugh is rather well-known for his use of persuasion techniques. I'd rather see Limbaugh mentioned than Goebbels to get across the idea that this fallacy is commonly used to persuade.
( Ronz 01:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC))I'll probably say it three more times. See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. - GW Bush
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The 'Quotation needed' tag on the first line seems unnecessary and drive-by-ish. To verify what? 'Ad' -> to, 'nausea' -> nausea. Removing unless anyone can clarify. Shamalamadingdomg ( talk) 11:45, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Sorry to break it to you, but there's no such thing in Latin as "ad nauseam", it's "ad nauseatum". I have a Bachelor's in Latin. Please, would someone correct or delete this erroneous entry? Or redirect it to a proper "ad nauseatum" page? The internet is filled with this wrong entry, probably an American fallacy, but why at Wikipedia? Come on, fix this once and for all, won't you?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.79.219.250 ( talk) 09:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Goebbels (repeating Hitler) said that a lie would be believed if it was big enough; Lenin said "a lie told often enough becomes the truth". It seems to me that the correct authority here is Lenin, not Goebbels, and I have amended accordingly. Interesting aside: the attribution of the repeated lie to Goebbels is itself a form of argumentum ad nauseam, in that it has by now been repeated sufficiently often as to be firmly fixed in the public mind :-) -- Just zis Guy, you know? 10:51, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I made an addition to this article as it seemed (to me anyways) that it may lead some people to conclude that the user of this fallacy intentionally promotes a lie, this is not always true. Let me give an example: Logically a religious person may continually state that Lazzarus rose from the dead after 6 days because the Bible states it even though a logical argument could be constructed against the plausibility of this from a medical standpoint. This does not mean the user does not believe his/her statement to be true. Quadzilla99 04:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
What if someone makes a valid point, but it is ignored because that point is made over and over again. Would that still count? Asmeurer ( talk ♬ contribs) 22:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
As nauseam (fallacy section) seems to be the same as proof by assertion (repeat argument until success). Opinions whether the section should merge with the other article and other organizational arrangements? K61824 ( talk) 23:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
http://idiolect.org.uk/notes/?p=935 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.21.66 ( talk) 04:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Can ad nauseam only apply to arguments, or could a joke be repeated ad nauseam? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.131.65 ( talk) 19:48, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I see in the popular culture references the following:
"Ad Nauseam is the title of the second full-length album by UK Death Metal band The Rotted, released 31st October 2010 on Candlelight Records."
This reads to me like a plug for some unknown band. My understanding of Wikipedia's "popular culture" references is that they should be relevant and culturally significant. A relatively recent release by an unknown death metal band on a label nobody's heard of does not sound culturally significant: it sounds like an attempt to sell more records.
Granted that I'm not hip with the death metal scene, but seriously... this does not pass the smell test, IMHO. I recommend deletion of the passage in question... but we could always discuss the issue ad nauseam, if you prefer. 71.197.152.48 ( talk) 21:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Is the phrase always set in italics? Why or why not? If it is supposed to be in italics, why isn't that done consistently through the article? -- Lbeaumont ( talk) 02:16, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
This article seems like a dictionary page. Jwood (leave me a message) See what I'm up to 22:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
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Is argumentum ad nauseam necessarialy the FALSE proof? If I argue something "ad nauseam" and it's true, is it no longer AAN?
The example provided is extremely unnecessary, and really unbalanced, IMO...
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The example given seems to be a gratuitous attempt to mention Rush Limbaugh on the same page as Joseph Goebbels.
In any case, Limbaugh commits many varied fallacies, and without a more specific example of "ad nauseum", this example does nothing to illuminate the topic.
Limbaugh is rather well-known for his use of persuasion techniques. I'd rather see Limbaugh mentioned than Goebbels to get across the idea that this fallacy is commonly used to persuade.
( Ronz 01:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC))I'll probably say it three more times. See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. - GW Bush
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The 'Quotation needed' tag on the first line seems unnecessary and drive-by-ish. To verify what? 'Ad' -> to, 'nausea' -> nausea. Removing unless anyone can clarify. Shamalamadingdomg ( talk) 11:45, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
Sorry to break it to you, but there's no such thing in Latin as "ad nauseam", it's "ad nauseatum". I have a Bachelor's in Latin. Please, would someone correct or delete this erroneous entry? Or redirect it to a proper "ad nauseatum" page? The internet is filled with this wrong entry, probably an American fallacy, but why at Wikipedia? Come on, fix this once and for all, won't you?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.79.219.250 ( talk) 09:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Goebbels (repeating Hitler) said that a lie would be believed if it was big enough; Lenin said "a lie told often enough becomes the truth". It seems to me that the correct authority here is Lenin, not Goebbels, and I have amended accordingly. Interesting aside: the attribution of the repeated lie to Goebbels is itself a form of argumentum ad nauseam, in that it has by now been repeated sufficiently often as to be firmly fixed in the public mind :-) -- Just zis Guy, you know? 10:51, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
I made an addition to this article as it seemed (to me anyways) that it may lead some people to conclude that the user of this fallacy intentionally promotes a lie, this is not always true. Let me give an example: Logically a religious person may continually state that Lazzarus rose from the dead after 6 days because the Bible states it even though a logical argument could be constructed against the plausibility of this from a medical standpoint. This does not mean the user does not believe his/her statement to be true. Quadzilla99 04:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
What if someone makes a valid point, but it is ignored because that point is made over and over again. Would that still count? Asmeurer ( talk ♬ contribs) 22:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
As nauseam (fallacy section) seems to be the same as proof by assertion (repeat argument until success). Opinions whether the section should merge with the other article and other organizational arrangements? K61824 ( talk) 23:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
http://idiolect.org.uk/notes/?p=935 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.21.66 ( talk) 04:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Can ad nauseam only apply to arguments, or could a joke be repeated ad nauseam? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.131.65 ( talk) 19:48, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I see in the popular culture references the following:
"Ad Nauseam is the title of the second full-length album by UK Death Metal band The Rotted, released 31st October 2010 on Candlelight Records."
This reads to me like a plug for some unknown band. My understanding of Wikipedia's "popular culture" references is that they should be relevant and culturally significant. A relatively recent release by an unknown death metal band on a label nobody's heard of does not sound culturally significant: it sounds like an attempt to sell more records.
Granted that I'm not hip with the death metal scene, but seriously... this does not pass the smell test, IMHO. I recommend deletion of the passage in question... but we could always discuss the issue ad nauseam, if you prefer. 71.197.152.48 ( talk) 21:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Is the phrase always set in italics? Why or why not? If it is supposed to be in italics, why isn't that done consistently through the article? -- Lbeaumont ( talk) 02:16, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
This article seems like a dictionary page. Jwood (leave me a message) See what I'm up to 22:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)