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I have tidied up this article as so:
02/08/2007.
roper et al's work does not discuss personal device care as an activity of daily living. bowel and bladder management is not the correct way to refer to elimination (as it may have to be recorded in nursing notes that a patient has vomited, for example, and this is elimination). you have to bear in mind roper, logan and tierney were all nurses, and the activities of daily living are part of roper et al's nursing model. nor do they discuss instrumental activities of daily living, but i've got to see the other references to see if they do. further to this, roper et al identify maintaining a safe environment an activity of daily living, as a safe environment is referring to the body. as has been mentioned, death is an activity of daily living as set by roper et al. this article definately needs attention from somebody who has more knowledge on this subject. once i break out my copy of the elements of nursing i'll come back to clean it up. it is obvious from whomever wrote this, they have never set eyes on the elements of nursing.
Since there are obviously two separate models, why not just have a new section that says something like According to Roper's model of Nursing (or whatever its actually called) these are the ADLs. What's listed currently is the occupational therapy POV, and I think that that is clear from the current version of the article. -- aishel 15:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
aishel,
you're referring to two models. the "other" model you must be referring to is not the roper et al framework of ADL. i have removed the roper et al reference and await a tidy up most specific to occupational therapy - if this is the goal of the article.
the article is completey unreferenced now (i only removed the RLT elements of nursing reference). you need proper texts to back up this article, especially IDALs.
sorry, yes, that was my mistake. i understand you must be annoyed as i removed your references - but i was trying to remove the elements of nursing from the reference list because it is not cited and the information on this page is a false account of roper et al's work. when i tell you the article is unreferenced, that's because it is, and the references put are not appropriate.
the reference from the singapore family physician is cited in accessory information. i would probably look for more references to do with the IDALs, as it's not a subject i'm familiar with. the bulk of the article still remains unreferenced. it needs to be more specific to whom's activities of daily living are being defined - as it is not roper et al's.
the first reference i find i am unable to access the full text, even through ovid and other athen's databases. poses a problem for me if i am unable to verify what you're citing.
i have removed the link from the roper logan and tierny model of nursing page, because this article does not refer specifically to their model of nursing, of which their activities of daily living are a part of. this could confuse accessors. the model of nursing page has the ADLs definied
if this article is using ADLs that are used mainly by occupational therapists, the article should clearly state that and provide substantial evidence to show this. please note the ADLs used by roper logan and tierny are used mainly by nurses as part of the model of nursing. the article needs more work to it and you should be the one to do it, as at the moment i'm not sure you understand the activities of living. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.242.1.152 ( talk) 02:16, August 22, 2007 (UTC)
Because this page is referencing the actual activities of daily living not a model or a tool, I removed the definition that ADLs are "a tool". I supplied an online medical dictionary source, and tidied up the second paragraph because in and of their selves, ADLs are not tools, or methods of evaluation, but the actual activities. Alysonwonderland 19:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Are the daily activities of life not now known as just "AL"'s - not ADL's? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.64.18.44 ( talk) 18:20, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I thought it was AL's - Activities of life, as dying is one of the activities, and this is obviously not undertaken daily.-- CapFan
8/30/21: We will make changes as specified by this document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14RevqPo9VsLXcZSGXgNuRfUGLwymIlh8UEAJdX0CIsk/edit?usp=sharing
09/13/21: Feedback from other group/sp3454 I really appreciate how the edits demonstrate how the concept of ADL has changed over time and really adapts and changes in the context of the person.
9/13/2021 Rio B-C I really appreciate how this team has improved the Activity of Daily Livings page, specifically by discussing how the ADL definition has changed over time and how the ADL assessment changes from one individual's context to another. I appreciate how the team has described the clinical utility of assessing ADL and IADLs. Two suggestions 1) consider adding a section on how health care disparities manifest in relation to ADL/IADLs 2) consider explaining the difference between ADLs and IADLs in the introduction - I know there are more details in other sections of the page but it may be nice to quickly distinguish them in the introduction. Awesome work!
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
I have tidied up this article as so:
02/08/2007.
roper et al's work does not discuss personal device care as an activity of daily living. bowel and bladder management is not the correct way to refer to elimination (as it may have to be recorded in nursing notes that a patient has vomited, for example, and this is elimination). you have to bear in mind roper, logan and tierney were all nurses, and the activities of daily living are part of roper et al's nursing model. nor do they discuss instrumental activities of daily living, but i've got to see the other references to see if they do. further to this, roper et al identify maintaining a safe environment an activity of daily living, as a safe environment is referring to the body. as has been mentioned, death is an activity of daily living as set by roper et al. this article definately needs attention from somebody who has more knowledge on this subject. once i break out my copy of the elements of nursing i'll come back to clean it up. it is obvious from whomever wrote this, they have never set eyes on the elements of nursing.
Since there are obviously two separate models, why not just have a new section that says something like According to Roper's model of Nursing (or whatever its actually called) these are the ADLs. What's listed currently is the occupational therapy POV, and I think that that is clear from the current version of the article. -- aishel 15:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
aishel,
you're referring to two models. the "other" model you must be referring to is not the roper et al framework of ADL. i have removed the roper et al reference and await a tidy up most specific to occupational therapy - if this is the goal of the article.
the article is completey unreferenced now (i only removed the RLT elements of nursing reference). you need proper texts to back up this article, especially IDALs.
sorry, yes, that was my mistake. i understand you must be annoyed as i removed your references - but i was trying to remove the elements of nursing from the reference list because it is not cited and the information on this page is a false account of roper et al's work. when i tell you the article is unreferenced, that's because it is, and the references put are not appropriate.
the reference from the singapore family physician is cited in accessory information. i would probably look for more references to do with the IDALs, as it's not a subject i'm familiar with. the bulk of the article still remains unreferenced. it needs to be more specific to whom's activities of daily living are being defined - as it is not roper et al's.
the first reference i find i am unable to access the full text, even through ovid and other athen's databases. poses a problem for me if i am unable to verify what you're citing.
i have removed the link from the roper logan and tierny model of nursing page, because this article does not refer specifically to their model of nursing, of which their activities of daily living are a part of. this could confuse accessors. the model of nursing page has the ADLs definied
if this article is using ADLs that are used mainly by occupational therapists, the article should clearly state that and provide substantial evidence to show this. please note the ADLs used by roper logan and tierny are used mainly by nurses as part of the model of nursing. the article needs more work to it and you should be the one to do it, as at the moment i'm not sure you understand the activities of living. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.242.1.152 ( talk) 02:16, August 22, 2007 (UTC)
Because this page is referencing the actual activities of daily living not a model or a tool, I removed the definition that ADLs are "a tool". I supplied an online medical dictionary source, and tidied up the second paragraph because in and of their selves, ADLs are not tools, or methods of evaluation, but the actual activities. Alysonwonderland 19:08, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Are the daily activities of life not now known as just "AL"'s - not ADL's? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.64.18.44 ( talk) 18:20, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I thought it was AL's - Activities of life, as dying is one of the activities, and this is obviously not undertaken daily.-- CapFan
8/30/21: We will make changes as specified by this document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14RevqPo9VsLXcZSGXgNuRfUGLwymIlh8UEAJdX0CIsk/edit?usp=sharing
09/13/21: Feedback from other group/sp3454 I really appreciate how the edits demonstrate how the concept of ADL has changed over time and really adapts and changes in the context of the person.
9/13/2021 Rio B-C I really appreciate how this team has improved the Activity of Daily Livings page, specifically by discussing how the ADL definition has changed over time and how the ADL assessment changes from one individual's context to another. I appreciate how the team has described the clinical utility of assessing ADL and IADLs. Two suggestions 1) consider adding a section on how health care disparities manifest in relation to ADL/IADLs 2) consider explaining the difference between ADLs and IADLs in the introduction - I know there are more details in other sections of the page but it may be nice to quickly distinguish them in the introduction. Awesome work!