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When I moved the article from a sandbox, I tried to use an editing script before saving; I thought I'd sorted them all out. OK now?
Keith-264 (
talk)
21:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)reply
I put commas into these sentence, before but connecting long independent clauses (showing them here without the commas):
At 4:45 a.m. on 19 August, five tanks of the
1st Tank Brigade broke down or ditched; seven others advanced up the St Julian–Poelcappelle road behind a smoke barrage, their noise smothered by low-flying British aircraft.
At most of the pillboxes, the German occupants retreated as soon as they saw the tanks; at Triangle Farm, Maison du Hibou and the Cockcroft, the garrisons stood their ground, suffering about 100 casualties, thirty of them being taken prisoner.
Then Keith-264 removed them, claiming "British English" as the reason. Is that a thing? To me it just reads as an error with those commas missing ("ditched but seven" what? "saw the tanks but at" what?). This was just in the lead, but I'd fix a bunch more if were up to me (but Keith claims it's his prerogative to keep the commas out, since he wrote it).
Dicklyon (
talk)
17:46, 25 April 2021 (UTC)reply
You're getting rather proprietorial, please remember that you don't speak my language and weren't taught it at school. It would be better to rewrite a sentence than interpolate solecisms. See now, Regards
Keith-264 (
talk)
23:57, 25 April 2021 (UTC)reply
User:Keith-264, not this rubbish again about special UK rules for commas. Nah, yeah, NAH. Comma usage does vary according to individual preferences, but unlike certain instances of spelling and lexicon (and "different than" in the US), they are not subject to so-called national styles. I reverted to Dicklyon's commas, which are entirely appropriate. Whatever the comma usage, did you write the original "the garrisons stood their ground, suffering about 100 casualties, thirty of them being taken prisoner."? What, so 30 casualties were taken prisoner? And "[noun group] being taken prisoner" is clumsy and the tense is wrong. Please concentrate on improving your style rather than falsely pumping up comma nationalism.
Tony(talk)13:38, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep the commas, or use semicolons as in the bullet-point examples above, or use separate sentences (probably the best choice in these cases). Keith-264's claim about "Britishness" of avoiding necessary commas is false; he's simply creating confusing run-ons. And no editor
WP:OWNs the content they right here; see also
WP:MERCILESS. (Not to mention
WP:CIVIL; I've taken the civility issues here and elsewhere to
User talk:Keith-264.) —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 07:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Dicklyon gives a very good impression of owning an awful lot of articles. And I've just removed some commas which are definitely wrong in British English, tho' common in American.
DuncanHill (
talk)
07:45, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
@
SMcCandlish: If editors feel the need to punctuate a conjunction, all they need to to is simplify the sentence as you suggested above. It isn't brain surgery. PS [w]hat do you think of the previous editor's disparagement? Regards
Keith-264 (
talk)
09:08, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Which previous editor's disparagement of whom? If you mean DuncanHill, I see someone who doesn't actually understand what
WP:OWN means making an incorrect behavioral claim, and following that with a linguistically incorrect claim about British English. What both he and you appear to mean by these claims is that the usage you see in British journalism style in particular is comma-averse. This is well known, but irrelevant, because
WP is not written in news style, as a matter of clear policy. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 09:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
You equate my prose with journalism? I suggest you stop making assumptions. I've had my say about the conduct of other editors here so I have got what I wanted. I wondered if you had considered the matter of provocation; now I know. Regards
Keith-264 (
talk)
10:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
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When I moved the article from a sandbox, I tried to use an editing script before saving; I thought I'd sorted them all out. OK now?
Keith-264 (
talk)
21:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)reply
I put commas into these sentence, before but connecting long independent clauses (showing them here without the commas):
At 4:45 a.m. on 19 August, five tanks of the
1st Tank Brigade broke down or ditched; seven others advanced up the St Julian–Poelcappelle road behind a smoke barrage, their noise smothered by low-flying British aircraft.
At most of the pillboxes, the German occupants retreated as soon as they saw the tanks; at Triangle Farm, Maison du Hibou and the Cockcroft, the garrisons stood their ground, suffering about 100 casualties, thirty of them being taken prisoner.
Then Keith-264 removed them, claiming "British English" as the reason. Is that a thing? To me it just reads as an error with those commas missing ("ditched but seven" what? "saw the tanks but at" what?). This was just in the lead, but I'd fix a bunch more if were up to me (but Keith claims it's his prerogative to keep the commas out, since he wrote it).
Dicklyon (
talk)
17:46, 25 April 2021 (UTC)reply
You're getting rather proprietorial, please remember that you don't speak my language and weren't taught it at school. It would be better to rewrite a sentence than interpolate solecisms. See now, Regards
Keith-264 (
talk)
23:57, 25 April 2021 (UTC)reply
User:Keith-264, not this rubbish again about special UK rules for commas. Nah, yeah, NAH. Comma usage does vary according to individual preferences, but unlike certain instances of spelling and lexicon (and "different than" in the US), they are not subject to so-called national styles. I reverted to Dicklyon's commas, which are entirely appropriate. Whatever the comma usage, did you write the original "the garrisons stood their ground, suffering about 100 casualties, thirty of them being taken prisoner."? What, so 30 casualties were taken prisoner? And "[noun group] being taken prisoner" is clumsy and the tense is wrong. Please concentrate on improving your style rather than falsely pumping up comma nationalism.
Tony(talk)13:38, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep the commas, or use semicolons as in the bullet-point examples above, or use separate sentences (probably the best choice in these cases). Keith-264's claim about "Britishness" of avoiding necessary commas is false; he's simply creating confusing run-ons. And no editor
WP:OWNs the content they right here; see also
WP:MERCILESS. (Not to mention
WP:CIVIL; I've taken the civility issues here and elsewhere to
User talk:Keith-264.) —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 07:38, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Dicklyon gives a very good impression of owning an awful lot of articles. And I've just removed some commas which are definitely wrong in British English, tho' common in American.
DuncanHill (
talk)
07:45, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
@
SMcCandlish: If editors feel the need to punctuate a conjunction, all they need to to is simplify the sentence as you suggested above. It isn't brain surgery. PS [w]hat do you think of the previous editor's disparagement? Regards
Keith-264 (
talk)
09:08, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Which previous editor's disparagement of whom? If you mean DuncanHill, I see someone who doesn't actually understand what
WP:OWN means making an incorrect behavioral claim, and following that with a linguistically incorrect claim about British English. What both he and you appear to mean by these claims is that the usage you see in British journalism style in particular is comma-averse. This is well known, but irrelevant, because
WP is not written in news style, as a matter of clear policy. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 09:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
You equate my prose with journalism? I suggest you stop making assumptions. I've had my say about the conduct of other editors here so I have got what I wanted. I wondered if you had considered the matter of provocation; now I know. Regards
Keith-264 (
talk)
10:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply