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This page, like many others created by the same editor, bears a name which is just the beginning of a disambiguation nightmare as it is non-specific. Its bold and absurd conceit is that there is not to be another election constituency anywhere else on Earth with the name "Accountancy". A better name would be, for example, "Accountancy Constituency (Hong Kong)". It is fundamentally wrong to stake out page space on wikipedia which is far broader than merited by the subject. Names ought to be intelligently devised to avoid this sort of confusion and domination. I recommend that the entire page be deleted and moved to a name properly formulated, such as the one I suggest. sirlanz 07:24, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Accountancy (Hong Kong constituency). All three commenters appear to favour this title in the final analysis. — Amakuru ( talk) 09:56, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Accountancy Constituency (Hong Kong) →
Accountancy (Hong Kong constituency) – The proper name of this government position is "Accountancy", not "Accountancy Constituency". It is a Hong Kong functional constituency which is called "Accountancy"; "Constituency" is not part of its formal title and is redundant. It is also not required for disambiguation as it is already disambiguated by geographic region.
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The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus supports this move. (closed by a page mover) (non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 07:55, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Accountancy (Hong Kong constituency) → Accountancy (constituency) – It was the original title of the article. It clearly states that it is an Accountancy constituency without saying it is a Hong Kong constituency, as it is unnecessary because there is no another Accountancy constituency in the world. Lmmnhn ( talk) 15:44, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
This is a good example of how WP, ruled as it is by randomly formed ad hoc committees, meanders from mediocrity to mediocrity. And, absurdly, in purely arithmetic terms, a 3-0 vote has now been overruled by a 1-3 (i.e. a minority of 3-4 dictates the outcome). And if we take a moment to look at the quality of the anti-"Hong Kong" votes, two are from editors who, by their own account, are not native speakers of the language. They are simply not qualified to speak on the subject of its appropriate use.
The expression "Accountancy (constituency)" is generic. It describes the constituency of members of the accountancy profession. An article appearing under such a title would be naturally and properly expected to describe that constituency. There are numerous examples easily found on line of this obvious, basic use of the English language. The Financial Accounting Foundation (CT, USA) in its 2013 Annual Report speaks prominently of its constituents, for example. AccountingWeb speaks at length about the accountancy constituency in the 2015 UK general election. The International Federation of Accountants writes of its Small and Medium Practices constituency and AccountancyAge speaks of the role and influence of the "accountancy constituency" in US elections.
If someone decides to take the time to write about the accountancy constituency on WP, they will now have to take second place to Hong Kong's electoral constituency. This is plainly just creating a structural mess on WP. But go ahead. It's just as much your encyclopedia as mine and you're entitled to go on doing just as much damages to it as you want. sirlanz 00:02, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
And I meant to add a helpful example of how things ought to be (and are in places) on WP: Moreton Bay Fig Tree (Santa Barbara, California) sirlanz 00:06, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
There is a world of difference between a Functional Constituency and a functional one. If lmmnhn or anyone else wants to use the term "functional", then some source needs to be provided to support the suggestion that the Functional Constituencies of the Hong Kong Legislative Council are, indeed, functional. There is ample evidence to the contrary, i.e. (1) that they are not truly representative of the groups in society that function according to the name given them, e.g. "accountancy", thus that the constituency does not represent the function it claims; and (2) setting aside the Functional Constituencies' representativeness, there remains a serious question as to whether or not those constituencies are functional in the legislative context, bearing in mind that the members elected to represent them are among the least engaged in the legislative process and least interested in representing the views of those persons who are members of the societal group (contrast, registered voters) with which they are, by dint of their intitulation, associated.
So, in conclusion, the simple way to ensure that WP does not stretch the truth here is to use the required initial capitals, i.e. these are formal titles, and there is no claim to their descriptive veracity. sirlanz 04:26, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
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This page, like many others created by the same editor, bears a name which is just the beginning of a disambiguation nightmare as it is non-specific. Its bold and absurd conceit is that there is not to be another election constituency anywhere else on Earth with the name "Accountancy". A better name would be, for example, "Accountancy Constituency (Hong Kong)". It is fundamentally wrong to stake out page space on wikipedia which is far broader than merited by the subject. Names ought to be intelligently devised to avoid this sort of confusion and domination. I recommend that the entire page be deleted and moved to a name properly formulated, such as the one I suggest. sirlanz 07:24, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Accountancy (Hong Kong constituency). All three commenters appear to favour this title in the final analysis. — Amakuru ( talk) 09:56, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Accountancy Constituency (Hong Kong) →
Accountancy (Hong Kong constituency) – The proper name of this government position is "Accountancy", not "Accountancy Constituency". It is a Hong Kong functional constituency which is called "Accountancy"; "Constituency" is not part of its formal title and is redundant. It is also not required for disambiguation as it is already disambiguated by geographic region.
Ivanvector 🍁 (
talk) 15:23, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus supports this move. (closed by a page mover) (non-admin closure) Anarchyte ( work | talk) 07:55, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Accountancy (Hong Kong constituency) → Accountancy (constituency) – It was the original title of the article. It clearly states that it is an Accountancy constituency without saying it is a Hong Kong constituency, as it is unnecessary because there is no another Accountancy constituency in the world. Lmmnhn ( talk) 15:44, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
This is a good example of how WP, ruled as it is by randomly formed ad hoc committees, meanders from mediocrity to mediocrity. And, absurdly, in purely arithmetic terms, a 3-0 vote has now been overruled by a 1-3 (i.e. a minority of 3-4 dictates the outcome). And if we take a moment to look at the quality of the anti-"Hong Kong" votes, two are from editors who, by their own account, are not native speakers of the language. They are simply not qualified to speak on the subject of its appropriate use.
The expression "Accountancy (constituency)" is generic. It describes the constituency of members of the accountancy profession. An article appearing under such a title would be naturally and properly expected to describe that constituency. There are numerous examples easily found on line of this obvious, basic use of the English language. The Financial Accounting Foundation (CT, USA) in its 2013 Annual Report speaks prominently of its constituents, for example. AccountingWeb speaks at length about the accountancy constituency in the 2015 UK general election. The International Federation of Accountants writes of its Small and Medium Practices constituency and AccountancyAge speaks of the role and influence of the "accountancy constituency" in US elections.
If someone decides to take the time to write about the accountancy constituency on WP, they will now have to take second place to Hong Kong's electoral constituency. This is plainly just creating a structural mess on WP. But go ahead. It's just as much your encyclopedia as mine and you're entitled to go on doing just as much damages to it as you want. sirlanz 00:02, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
And I meant to add a helpful example of how things ought to be (and are in places) on WP: Moreton Bay Fig Tree (Santa Barbara, California) sirlanz 00:06, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
There is a world of difference between a Functional Constituency and a functional one. If lmmnhn or anyone else wants to use the term "functional", then some source needs to be provided to support the suggestion that the Functional Constituencies of the Hong Kong Legislative Council are, indeed, functional. There is ample evidence to the contrary, i.e. (1) that they are not truly representative of the groups in society that function according to the name given them, e.g. "accountancy", thus that the constituency does not represent the function it claims; and (2) setting aside the Functional Constituencies' representativeness, there remains a serious question as to whether or not those constituencies are functional in the legislative context, bearing in mind that the members elected to represent them are among the least engaged in the legislative process and least interested in representing the views of those persons who are members of the societal group (contrast, registered voters) with which they are, by dint of their intitulation, associated.
So, in conclusion, the simple way to ensure that WP does not stretch the truth here is to use the required initial capitals, i.e. these are formal titles, and there is no claim to their descriptive veracity. sirlanz 04:26, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
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