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Have added a bit about ACC's no-fault principle, will try and expand soonish if I get the time Timmah48 ( talk) 17:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Given that the Accident Compensation Commission morphed into the Accident Compensation Corporation, I’ve added the appropriate merge tags to these pages. Barefootguru 00:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Not really good enough having a question mark "?" for the missing date of the name change. Also, the comment that "Predictably, insurance premiums increased under the socialist Labour government" sounds close to loaded/politically partisan language.
This article feels somewhat cold. I highly doubt many would question a notability issue if in good form... yet I did give this tag since it's nearly impossible to determine anything about the company from the sources and links offered besides the official company site. Number and variety of sources and an overall neutral point of view are missing. Not that it feels like an advertisement as a full article, it just reads like one which is where that tag comes from. As it stands now, the quality might attract more negative attention. References aren't linked outside or have incomplete format such that one cannot even locate those sources if needed. For a company like this with its age and accomplishments over time, I'm sure there must be resources around that can help improve this article. This is a rare instance when in business you can actually (hopefully) pick up some sources about public advocacy or extended type of services for the public. Showing the company from this view instead of just dates and deficits could add that delightful "warm" feeling everyone's looking for and shouldn't at all subtract from its professional nature. Though collapsing into company propaganda is a risk here, an alternate perspective could be of use.
My thoughts, at least. As a non-native I wouldn't consider myself particularly qualified for resource and writing expansion, but if anyone comes along and feels like changing or adding anything I'd be more than happy to give feedback if requested. Users are also free to remove the tags as they see fit, so long as the issue was addressed in at least one way in your edit. Just a few things like that should give a bright, polished feeling of an article that the Wikipedia community loves to love! Though it's just listed as a stub, I wouldn't think it unreasonable to consider normal article status a mid-term goal. Datheisen ( talk) 11:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Notability? You have to be kidding. The ACC is a no-fault compulsory government run scheme which means you can not sue for personal injury in New Zealand. Every person in NZ pays in, everyone has had many ACC claims, and it is regularly covered at front page and headline level. There is even a full plus an asssociate Cabinet Minister for ACC. Herne nz ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC).
Clean has been done and new information added - three years later. Offender9000 19:31, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
You wrote on my talkpage: "Please don't do things like this or this again: if you're quoting directly from your source, use quote marks, and do not readd material removed because of close paraphrasing/copyvio concerns."
You removed this: Initially ACC adopted a ‘pay-as-you-go’ funding model which collected “only enough levies during the year to cover the cost of claims for that particular year”. In 1999 a ‘fully funded’ model was adopted which meant ACC began collecting enough money during each levy year to cover the lifetime costs of every claim. Since some people are supported by ACC for “30 years or more”, significant reserves had to be generated to fund future costs.
The greatest number of words that are a direct copy are this phrase: “only enough levies during the year to cover the cost of claims for that particular year” - 16 words. WP:CP states: "Depending on the context and extent of the paraphrasing, limited close paraphrase may be permitted under the doctrine of fair use; close paraphrase of a single sentence is not as much of a concern as an entire section or article." Examples of fair use include commentary, search engines, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. It provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test. One of the four factors is Amount and Sustantiality... On this point WP says "In general, the less that is used in relation to the whole, ex: a few sentences of a text for a book review, the more likely that the sample will be considered fair use." In other words a few sentences out of an entire publication is deemed legitimate. The concept of de minimis also applies. The article goes on to say: "In other words, de minimis sampling was still considered fair and free because, traditionally, "the law does not care about trifles."
I know you have good intentions - but deleting the paragraph on the basis of 16 trifling words - how do you justify this? Offender9000 22:12, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Where exactly does it say on the fair use page that fair use is limited to "quotation"? It doesn't say it on this page about fair use. I see that under close paraphrasing it says: "Limited close paraphrasing is appropriate within reason, as is quoting (with or without quotation marks), so long as the material is clearly attributed in the text." Offender9000 01:09, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
The sentence: "Limited close paraphrasing is appropriate within reason, as is quoting (with or without quotation marks), so long as the material is clearly attributed in the text" is wikipedia policy. Offender9000 03:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
The part you have now deleted is less than one sentence and is not a direct quote. In other words, its very 'limited'. Also attribution was provided at the end of the sentence. Please read the policy you linked to. It clearly says: "Simple facts such as this can have inline citations to reliable sources as an aid to the reader, but normally the text itself is best left as a plain statement without in-text attribution." In other words, for straight forward information, a citation at the end constitutes "attribution in the text" Offender9000 19:17, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
You may have read the policy, but you don't seem to understand it. I repeat - it says "Simple facts such as this can have inline citations to reliable sources as an aid to the reader, but normally the text itself is best left as a plain statement without in-text attribution." If you're so obsessed with proving your point, can I suggest you seek opinion elsewhere about what that means. I am reverting your edit and if this continues much further I will take it to mediation. This seems to have become a personal crusade for you in which you are losing your objectivity. Offender9000 19:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
In this edit I've just removed a paragraph which used Wikipedia's "voice" to endorse criticisms of this organisation ("This adversarial approach appears to be confirmed by a story in the Dominion Post..."). This is a blatant violation of the core policy WP:NPOV. The reference provided for this claim was about a single incident, which does not state that the organisation has an "adversarial approach", and describes the incident as a "botch up" for which the organisation was apologizing. The person affected by this incident is quoted as saying that she believes that such actions were typical of the organisation, but this isn't endorsed by the journalist or anyone else, and so clearly doesn't support the very strong claim which was being attributed to it in the article. Nick-D ( talk) 08:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
What about this lne too? "Some ACC clients have been so upset by the way their cases have been handled that threats of violence have been made against staff. " The rest of the paragraph deals in facts but this intro seems to imply bomb threats are justified. There's also no mention of the criminal proceedings taken against those who made the threats. (see the citation) 121.99.255.173 ( talk) 21:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
I've changed that line, but I wonder about a lot of the material in that section and how relevant it is to an encyclopaedic article. I've also done some clean up on the section about Pullar to correct errors / editorialising. Further work is still required however. Clarke43 ( talk) 09:27, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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Have added a bit about ACC's no-fault principle, will try and expand soonish if I get the time Timmah48 ( talk) 17:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Given that the Accident Compensation Commission morphed into the Accident Compensation Corporation, I’ve added the appropriate merge tags to these pages. Barefootguru 00:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Not really good enough having a question mark "?" for the missing date of the name change. Also, the comment that "Predictably, insurance premiums increased under the socialist Labour government" sounds close to loaded/politically partisan language.
This article feels somewhat cold. I highly doubt many would question a notability issue if in good form... yet I did give this tag since it's nearly impossible to determine anything about the company from the sources and links offered besides the official company site. Number and variety of sources and an overall neutral point of view are missing. Not that it feels like an advertisement as a full article, it just reads like one which is where that tag comes from. As it stands now, the quality might attract more negative attention. References aren't linked outside or have incomplete format such that one cannot even locate those sources if needed. For a company like this with its age and accomplishments over time, I'm sure there must be resources around that can help improve this article. This is a rare instance when in business you can actually (hopefully) pick up some sources about public advocacy or extended type of services for the public. Showing the company from this view instead of just dates and deficits could add that delightful "warm" feeling everyone's looking for and shouldn't at all subtract from its professional nature. Though collapsing into company propaganda is a risk here, an alternate perspective could be of use.
My thoughts, at least. As a non-native I wouldn't consider myself particularly qualified for resource and writing expansion, but if anyone comes along and feels like changing or adding anything I'd be more than happy to give feedback if requested. Users are also free to remove the tags as they see fit, so long as the issue was addressed in at least one way in your edit. Just a few things like that should give a bright, polished feeling of an article that the Wikipedia community loves to love! Though it's just listed as a stub, I wouldn't think it unreasonable to consider normal article status a mid-term goal. Datheisen ( talk) 11:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Notability? You have to be kidding. The ACC is a no-fault compulsory government run scheme which means you can not sue for personal injury in New Zealand. Every person in NZ pays in, everyone has had many ACC claims, and it is regularly covered at front page and headline level. There is even a full plus an asssociate Cabinet Minister for ACC. Herne nz ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC).
Clean has been done and new information added - three years later. Offender9000 19:31, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
You wrote on my talkpage: "Please don't do things like this or this again: if you're quoting directly from your source, use quote marks, and do not readd material removed because of close paraphrasing/copyvio concerns."
You removed this: Initially ACC adopted a ‘pay-as-you-go’ funding model which collected “only enough levies during the year to cover the cost of claims for that particular year”. In 1999 a ‘fully funded’ model was adopted which meant ACC began collecting enough money during each levy year to cover the lifetime costs of every claim. Since some people are supported by ACC for “30 years or more”, significant reserves had to be generated to fund future costs.
The greatest number of words that are a direct copy are this phrase: “only enough levies during the year to cover the cost of claims for that particular year” - 16 words. WP:CP states: "Depending on the context and extent of the paraphrasing, limited close paraphrase may be permitted under the doctrine of fair use; close paraphrase of a single sentence is not as much of a concern as an entire section or article." Examples of fair use include commentary, search engines, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. It provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test. One of the four factors is Amount and Sustantiality... On this point WP says "In general, the less that is used in relation to the whole, ex: a few sentences of a text for a book review, the more likely that the sample will be considered fair use." In other words a few sentences out of an entire publication is deemed legitimate. The concept of de minimis also applies. The article goes on to say: "In other words, de minimis sampling was still considered fair and free because, traditionally, "the law does not care about trifles."
I know you have good intentions - but deleting the paragraph on the basis of 16 trifling words - how do you justify this? Offender9000 22:12, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Where exactly does it say on the fair use page that fair use is limited to "quotation"? It doesn't say it on this page about fair use. I see that under close paraphrasing it says: "Limited close paraphrasing is appropriate within reason, as is quoting (with or without quotation marks), so long as the material is clearly attributed in the text." Offender9000 01:09, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
The sentence: "Limited close paraphrasing is appropriate within reason, as is quoting (with or without quotation marks), so long as the material is clearly attributed in the text" is wikipedia policy. Offender9000 03:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
The part you have now deleted is less than one sentence and is not a direct quote. In other words, its very 'limited'. Also attribution was provided at the end of the sentence. Please read the policy you linked to. It clearly says: "Simple facts such as this can have inline citations to reliable sources as an aid to the reader, but normally the text itself is best left as a plain statement without in-text attribution." In other words, for straight forward information, a citation at the end constitutes "attribution in the text" Offender9000 19:17, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
You may have read the policy, but you don't seem to understand it. I repeat - it says "Simple facts such as this can have inline citations to reliable sources as an aid to the reader, but normally the text itself is best left as a plain statement without in-text attribution." If you're so obsessed with proving your point, can I suggest you seek opinion elsewhere about what that means. I am reverting your edit and if this continues much further I will take it to mediation. This seems to have become a personal crusade for you in which you are losing your objectivity. Offender9000 19:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
In this edit I've just removed a paragraph which used Wikipedia's "voice" to endorse criticisms of this organisation ("This adversarial approach appears to be confirmed by a story in the Dominion Post..."). This is a blatant violation of the core policy WP:NPOV. The reference provided for this claim was about a single incident, which does not state that the organisation has an "adversarial approach", and describes the incident as a "botch up" for which the organisation was apologizing. The person affected by this incident is quoted as saying that she believes that such actions were typical of the organisation, but this isn't endorsed by the journalist or anyone else, and so clearly doesn't support the very strong claim which was being attributed to it in the article. Nick-D ( talk) 08:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
What about this lne too? "Some ACC clients have been so upset by the way their cases have been handled that threats of violence have been made against staff. " The rest of the paragraph deals in facts but this intro seems to imply bomb threats are justified. There's also no mention of the criminal proceedings taken against those who made the threats. (see the citation) 121.99.255.173 ( talk) 21:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
I've changed that line, but I wonder about a lot of the material in that section and how relevant it is to an encyclopaedic article. I've also done some clean up on the section about Pullar to correct errors / editorialising. Further work is still required however. Clarke43 ( talk) 09:27, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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