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Created stub Andrew Yong 08:28, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Someone please add some pictures. I would add the complicated code of colors for different degrees but I don't remember most of it. Rmhermen 17:11, Oct 10, 2003 (UTC)
American colors: http://www.ermoore.com/regalia/officialcolor.html
E.R. Moore claims to be the sole depository for Intercollegiate Code regulations - is this really true?
no it is not true
--Then could you please provide appropriate rebuttal for this claim (now found at http://www.ermoore.com/products/academic/intercollegiate.do.htm)? They have interesting documents on that page, by the way, such as http://www.ermoore.com/pdf/capandgowns.pdf Solarbuddy ( talk)
Info needs to be added about wearing of tassels. In all the graduation ceremonies I've been in, we were told to wear the tassel on one side before we got our diplomas, then move it over to the other either after we had individually received them, or as a group. ---emb021
So where is the edit history? Tom Harrison Talk 15:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Droitet made Academic regalia, cut and pasted the content from Academic dress and made dress redirect to regalia. User:Andrew Yong reverted and undid the redirect. Now regalia has an incomplete edit history, showing only User:Droitet's paste-in. We can't have that; we need to keep the history with the content for copyright reasons. Nobody did anything wrong; I'm restoring the status quo to preserve the edit history. If there is a consensus to have the page be called regalia instead of dress, that can always be done later. For now, regalia will redirect to dress. Leave a message on my talk page if you have questions or comments. Tom Harrison Talk 16:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
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Hello. I see that you have reverted my edit to the Academic dress page. I had redirected it to " Academic regalia " since this term is more explicit. It is also the more commonly used term to describe the subject, at least here in the United States. We should attempt to clarify this together since, as it now stands, there are two identical articles with differing titles. Please feel free to comment on my talk page. -- Droitet 16:00, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I just added a couple of notes to clarify the American use of colors in hoods; they are really double. The velvet facing of all U.S. hoods shows the degree earned - not the "discipline" as stated above the color table. Thus, a Ph.D. in any subject from astronomy to English to zoology gets a blue facing, while a doctorate in public health (D.P.H.) gets salmon pink and a doctorate in medicine (M.D.) green, theology (S.T.D.) red and so forth. Most bachelors' degrees in the U.S. are granted by liberal arts schools so their facings are white. The silk lining, which is visible from the back, is in the school colors (for any degree) as well as the option of the doctoral gown being in the school colors. So if you know the color codes, you can look at an academic procession and figure out where everybody in it went to school and what degree they earned. (I'm associate Faculty Marshal, in charge of regalia - we do call it that - at a small American liberal arts college.)
216.57.241.194 19:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC) Lundy Pentz
BTW, "stuff" is standard British usage for cloth or fabric (OED traces it to 1462). It's completely unknown in this meaning in the U.S., outside of students of textiles, costume, etc., so I haven't reverted the change as it makes the entry clearer. - PKM 17:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Unless anyone can argue that the current text is true for Catholic clergy in an academic context I propose to remove it. It's certainly not true as written for all academic contexts; I'd settle for a change that makes it clear in what academic context it is true.
Mhardcastle 22:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I can argue with a website in german ( http://www.dieter-philippi.de/mydante_1479.html), but that is all. I think that the previous text should be reinstated. Ithillion 00:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The biretta with four ridges in the RC tradition is reserved to those with a doctorate in theology or divinity not any doctorate. Many clergymen have doctorates and those with degrees outside of theology or divinity would wear a square cap or bonnet/tam. Highdesert ( talk) 18:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
While I'm sure there are schools where hoods are worn for bachelors degrees, I've been to a number of graduation ceremonies for at least 8 different universities, and in all cases those receiving bachelors degrees wore no hoods. The way I read the article, it seems to be saying that most schools in the US include hoods in the regalia for a bachelors degree. Is there any kind of source to turn to to determine which is the norm in the US? - 157.127.124.15 16 May 2007
The article seems to be too anglocentric. There should be additional detailed sections on academic dress in other non-English speaking countries, especially France, Italy, and Germany, which have a long traditon of universities dating back to the Middle Ages. Toeplitz 12:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
This sentence is unclear: "To receive membership in the Order, undergraduates must obtain and maintain between a 3.0 and 3.4 GPA (respective to class year); all students of the School of Theology receive the gown upon admission to the School."
Once a student hits 3.5 they are out? The minimum GPA for membership is progressively higher by .1 each undergraduate year? What? Shoreranger 20:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
What this means is that Sophomores who attended the university as Freshmen may earn their gown with a GPA of 3.4, while the minimum GPA for Juniors or Seniors is lower. And actually, those who do not make the minimum GPA earn their gown when they pass comprehensive examinations. Since that pass is required for graduation, all students have earned their gown by the time they graduate, though students who earn theirs through "comping" may never be formally gowned at an Opening Convocation, since one will probably not occur in between "comps" and commencement. While the faculty may wear worn and tattered undergraduate gowns to lectures and seminars, they scrub up well in doctoral robes for Convocations (Opening, Founders Day, Baccalaureate, Commencement).
Graduates at the University of the South do not traditionally wear caps to commencement. Their gowns are worn open, and may be faded and frayed from regular classroom use. In fact, the older gowns are considered to be more prestigious, since wear indicates either a gown that has been passed down from student to student, or a gown that has been worn since early in the student's academic career. It is traditional for the initials and graduating years of all the students who have worn the gown to be embroidered in colored thread on the yoke. The wearing of yellow poplar leaves pinned to the gowns of forestry graduates has been a tradition that honors a beloved professor since the 1980s. The Vice-Chancellor of the University of the South still wears a scarlet habit and ermine cope, and the salutatory address and certain other parts of the ceremony are still given in Latin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanba38 ( talk • contribs) 08:09, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Sanba38 ( talk) 08:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
This is being reverted a bit (albeit not by me). Part of the problem is that different universities do things differently - at some the degree is formally conferred at the ceremony itself but at others the degree is technically conferred in advance by a meeting of the Senate or whichever committee formally exercises the degree awarded powers - see Open University#Degree ceremonies for one example of this. Timrollpickering ( talk) 20:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Every year at graduation time I wish there were a list of universities that use non-black robes, a trend that is increasing. There seems to be no list, other than incomplete ones at some of the regelia manufacturers, such as http://www.herffjones.com/college/regalia/index.cfm?at=1&con=1, http://www.ermoore.com/products/regalia/regSpecial.do.htm, and http://www.oakhalli.com/schools.asp. Wikipedia seems the ideal place to build such a list. I'd think there ought to be a table that lists by major color group (perhaps red, orange, yellow, green, cyan, blue, violet, brown, grey, white) and then lists institutions in alphabetical order in each group. We could also have a black category to confirm schools that still use black, but this list would be long and uninteresting. The rationale is that if someone sees a purple gown, they can go to the "violet" section of the table and then scan to match (e.g. NYU vs. Washington). The table would have the exact name of the color (e.g. Mayfair Purple for NYU). As an example, Washington University in St. Louis would be:
Green ----- Institution Since ---------------Robe------------------ ------------cap----------------- ------doctoral hood--------- cite 2004 color panels chevrons other type color shape tassel color lining trim Washington University green black black seals tam black hexagonal gold green red/green blue: PhD in St. Louis gold none shoulders orange: DSc --------------------- --------------------------------------- -------------------------------- ---------------------------- Example U. sea green black black mortarboard black square black black white/blue discipline discipline double chev.
(the second color in the panels and chevrons is the piping color; the panels, chevrons, or piping may be the ACE discipline color) Once the table were started, the hope is that individuals from the various institutions would fill in the table. I'm certainly not an expert in this, and the above is only a first start at a table format. If there is interest and consensus, I could get the table started. Jpgs ( talk) 15:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Article needs more info on the history of Academic Dress. Where did it originate in and so on. I heard it comes from Avicenna's dress but don't know more about it yet. Farmanesh ( talk) 05:31, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
The first university in Europe was established by the Arabs in 841 AD, in the city of Salerno (Italy). It was an extension of the Muslim universities in the east. Then the University of Toledo, Seville and Granada were opened. So when the students (non Muslims from Europe) learned and graduated from these universities and returned to their lands, they used to dress in the Arab / Muslim robes (Thawb or Qamees), they initiated the dress of the Muslims and that would become an indication that this particular student graduated from the university of the Muslims. This imitation of wearing the Arab / Muslim garb (which is baggy and wide in design) has stayed with them to this day. Jack Goody in his book titled "Islam in Europe" says that "The Arabic clothing (Thawb) has remained the purest and clearest sign of scholastic integrity up to this day of ours, especially during scholastic events such as debating of university thesis, and graduations." Jay Khan India ( talk) 16:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't think the hakama is Japanese AD proper. It is a traditional divided skirt but it is worn for other occasions as well and is not historically academically significant in Japan IMHO. More research needs to be done in this area. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 16:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
A number of universities (Columbia [2], Harvard, et. al.) have designs on the facings. American, Andrews, Boston U. , CUNY, Claremont U., Cornell, Dartmouth, Fordham, New York U., Notre Dame, Purdue, Rutgers, USC, Stanford [3] are all featured on the Herff Jones webapage.
Thoughts about creating a gallery for these? Philly jawn ( talk) 04:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I added some information about the history of academic dresses in Germany. Feel free to improve my English ;-) 125.162.47.86 ( talk) 08:38, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I earned my Master's Degree in Electrical Engineering at the
Georgia Institute of Technology,
Atlanta, Georgia, and it was my first experience with a graduate-degree hood. I had been looking into the correct hood-decoration color for engineering, electical engineering, etc., when I found out from the Institute that all of the master's degrees hoods would be decorated with yellow stripes - the Insitute's color (along with white) -- regardless of the student's academic major. Well, that was the end of the problem. Perhaps this is also done at other Institutes and colleges.
At the same ceremony, we had students who were receiving master's degrees in architecture, all forms of engineereing, chemistry, information & computer science mathematics, physics, engineering management, and probably some other fields. Everybody master's degree recipient with yellow-trimmed hoods. (Also, this was in 1980, and I don't recall paying much attention to the Ph.D. recipients' hoods. Maybe they were all yellow, too.)
Very good, but also a little disappointing, because I had already looked up the orange color for engineering.
When Georgia Tech opened for classes in October 1888, every student majored in mechanical engineering -- but within a couple of years, Georgia Tech was among the early schools in the United States to offer a major in electrical engineering. Of course, knowledge in technology and science have exploded from there.06:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding
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The inter-collegiate colors section seems to be a bit of a mess, particularly in explaining degree versus field colors. The part explaining how the color for the degree subject, rather than the degree, is worded oddly and in a confusing manner. I wasn't sure how to patch it up, so I didn't. It would seem as the second paragraph on the matter is a repetition of the first, but I wasn't sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashilikia ( talk • contribs) 19:10, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
The Tunisia section makes no sense at all; it's not even a grammatically correct sentence. MayerG ( talk) 02:42, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
should their not be a section for the origin of the gown? i have previously read that the origin comes from the traditional Arabic Dress the Kuftan, and was worn by those Europeans who got University Education from Islamic Universities, especially in Cordoba, Toledo, Seville, and other major Arab cities in Andalusia, and went home wearing the kuftan in a sign of them acuiring high Islamic universities education, and the trend then followed in Oxford, and other major universities in Christian Europe... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.235.86.250 ( talk) 12:02, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
The portuguese section does not present the academic dress used in the portuguese universities. It presents the student dress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.241.65 ( talk) 21:55, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Based on having attended multiple colleges and universities, it would appear to be virtually unheard of in contemporary American academia to forbid stoles, honor cords, and other regalia additions.
I am aware that the ACE guidelines state that "nothing else" may be worn with regalia. However, while most individual university dress codes for commencement that I can find do specify that they are based on ACE guidelines (assuming they mention ACE at all, which is rare), they go on to prescribe appropriate use of the sole and honor cord.
I would question whether perhaps a citation is needed to establish that ACE guidelines are widely recognized furthermore perhaps suggest that references be added which address the common deviation (which in my experience and in my research is near universal):
Stoles signifying academic affiliation or merit are typically permitted, limited to a single stole.
Honor cords representing achievements may be worn, with no limitation on the number worn.
Further deviations such as robes in school colors, alternative hats, and the like are now so common (I'd estimate perhaps as many as 25% of regionally accredited American Universities have these and more have embroidered logos and such) that it perhaps should require citation that the ACE guidelines remain a strong authority on the subject. It seems like it would be much more accurate to suggest that American universities have a wide array of loosely structured regalia codes which draw inspiration from but seldom adhere fully to ACE's standards.
A Wikipedia article really shouldn't prescribe what editors think "should be" or stand in defense of propriety but should describe "what is". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick00001 ( talk • contribs) 16:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Although Germany is now a unified country, when the German student movement happened it was divided between West and East. The section implies that the German student movement happened only in West Germany, but I happen to know that academic regalia is still not popular in the former East-German University of Leipzig. I do not have the expertise to provide information about East German universities' academic regalia, but I think this is an omission from the article that needs to be filled. Can you help? Robert P. O'Shea ( talk) 02:03, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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Created stub Andrew Yong 08:28, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Someone please add some pictures. I would add the complicated code of colors for different degrees but I don't remember most of it. Rmhermen 17:11, Oct 10, 2003 (UTC)
American colors: http://www.ermoore.com/regalia/officialcolor.html
E.R. Moore claims to be the sole depository for Intercollegiate Code regulations - is this really true?
no it is not true
--Then could you please provide appropriate rebuttal for this claim (now found at http://www.ermoore.com/products/academic/intercollegiate.do.htm)? They have interesting documents on that page, by the way, such as http://www.ermoore.com/pdf/capandgowns.pdf Solarbuddy ( talk)
Info needs to be added about wearing of tassels. In all the graduation ceremonies I've been in, we were told to wear the tassel on one side before we got our diplomas, then move it over to the other either after we had individually received them, or as a group. ---emb021
So where is the edit history? Tom Harrison Talk 15:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Droitet made Academic regalia, cut and pasted the content from Academic dress and made dress redirect to regalia. User:Andrew Yong reverted and undid the redirect. Now regalia has an incomplete edit history, showing only User:Droitet's paste-in. We can't have that; we need to keep the history with the content for copyright reasons. Nobody did anything wrong; I'm restoring the status quo to preserve the edit history. If there is a consensus to have the page be called regalia instead of dress, that can always be done later. For now, regalia will redirect to dress. Leave a message on my talk page if you have questions or comments. Tom Harrison Talk 16:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
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Hello. I see that you have reverted my edit to the Academic dress page. I had redirected it to " Academic regalia " since this term is more explicit. It is also the more commonly used term to describe the subject, at least here in the United States. We should attempt to clarify this together since, as it now stands, there are two identical articles with differing titles. Please feel free to comment on my talk page. -- Droitet 16:00, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I just added a couple of notes to clarify the American use of colors in hoods; they are really double. The velvet facing of all U.S. hoods shows the degree earned - not the "discipline" as stated above the color table. Thus, a Ph.D. in any subject from astronomy to English to zoology gets a blue facing, while a doctorate in public health (D.P.H.) gets salmon pink and a doctorate in medicine (M.D.) green, theology (S.T.D.) red and so forth. Most bachelors' degrees in the U.S. are granted by liberal arts schools so their facings are white. The silk lining, which is visible from the back, is in the school colors (for any degree) as well as the option of the doctoral gown being in the school colors. So if you know the color codes, you can look at an academic procession and figure out where everybody in it went to school and what degree they earned. (I'm associate Faculty Marshal, in charge of regalia - we do call it that - at a small American liberal arts college.)
216.57.241.194 19:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC) Lundy Pentz
BTW, "stuff" is standard British usage for cloth or fabric (OED traces it to 1462). It's completely unknown in this meaning in the U.S., outside of students of textiles, costume, etc., so I haven't reverted the change as it makes the entry clearer. - PKM 17:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Unless anyone can argue that the current text is true for Catholic clergy in an academic context I propose to remove it. It's certainly not true as written for all academic contexts; I'd settle for a change that makes it clear in what academic context it is true.
Mhardcastle 22:03, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I can argue with a website in german ( http://www.dieter-philippi.de/mydante_1479.html), but that is all. I think that the previous text should be reinstated. Ithillion 00:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The biretta with four ridges in the RC tradition is reserved to those with a doctorate in theology or divinity not any doctorate. Many clergymen have doctorates and those with degrees outside of theology or divinity would wear a square cap or bonnet/tam. Highdesert ( talk) 18:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
While I'm sure there are schools where hoods are worn for bachelors degrees, I've been to a number of graduation ceremonies for at least 8 different universities, and in all cases those receiving bachelors degrees wore no hoods. The way I read the article, it seems to be saying that most schools in the US include hoods in the regalia for a bachelors degree. Is there any kind of source to turn to to determine which is the norm in the US? - 157.127.124.15 16 May 2007
The article seems to be too anglocentric. There should be additional detailed sections on academic dress in other non-English speaking countries, especially France, Italy, and Germany, which have a long traditon of universities dating back to the Middle Ages. Toeplitz 12:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
This sentence is unclear: "To receive membership in the Order, undergraduates must obtain and maintain between a 3.0 and 3.4 GPA (respective to class year); all students of the School of Theology receive the gown upon admission to the School."
Once a student hits 3.5 they are out? The minimum GPA for membership is progressively higher by .1 each undergraduate year? What? Shoreranger 20:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
What this means is that Sophomores who attended the university as Freshmen may earn their gown with a GPA of 3.4, while the minimum GPA for Juniors or Seniors is lower. And actually, those who do not make the minimum GPA earn their gown when they pass comprehensive examinations. Since that pass is required for graduation, all students have earned their gown by the time they graduate, though students who earn theirs through "comping" may never be formally gowned at an Opening Convocation, since one will probably not occur in between "comps" and commencement. While the faculty may wear worn and tattered undergraduate gowns to lectures and seminars, they scrub up well in doctoral robes for Convocations (Opening, Founders Day, Baccalaureate, Commencement).
Graduates at the University of the South do not traditionally wear caps to commencement. Their gowns are worn open, and may be faded and frayed from regular classroom use. In fact, the older gowns are considered to be more prestigious, since wear indicates either a gown that has been passed down from student to student, or a gown that has been worn since early in the student's academic career. It is traditional for the initials and graduating years of all the students who have worn the gown to be embroidered in colored thread on the yoke. The wearing of yellow poplar leaves pinned to the gowns of forestry graduates has been a tradition that honors a beloved professor since the 1980s. The Vice-Chancellor of the University of the South still wears a scarlet habit and ermine cope, and the salutatory address and certain other parts of the ceremony are still given in Latin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanba38 ( talk • contribs) 08:09, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Sanba38 ( talk) 08:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
This is being reverted a bit (albeit not by me). Part of the problem is that different universities do things differently - at some the degree is formally conferred at the ceremony itself but at others the degree is technically conferred in advance by a meeting of the Senate or whichever committee formally exercises the degree awarded powers - see Open University#Degree ceremonies for one example of this. Timrollpickering ( talk) 20:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Every year at graduation time I wish there were a list of universities that use non-black robes, a trend that is increasing. There seems to be no list, other than incomplete ones at some of the regelia manufacturers, such as http://www.herffjones.com/college/regalia/index.cfm?at=1&con=1, http://www.ermoore.com/products/regalia/regSpecial.do.htm, and http://www.oakhalli.com/schools.asp. Wikipedia seems the ideal place to build such a list. I'd think there ought to be a table that lists by major color group (perhaps red, orange, yellow, green, cyan, blue, violet, brown, grey, white) and then lists institutions in alphabetical order in each group. We could also have a black category to confirm schools that still use black, but this list would be long and uninteresting. The rationale is that if someone sees a purple gown, they can go to the "violet" section of the table and then scan to match (e.g. NYU vs. Washington). The table would have the exact name of the color (e.g. Mayfair Purple for NYU). As an example, Washington University in St. Louis would be:
Green ----- Institution Since ---------------Robe------------------ ------------cap----------------- ------doctoral hood--------- cite 2004 color panels chevrons other type color shape tassel color lining trim Washington University green black black seals tam black hexagonal gold green red/green blue: PhD in St. Louis gold none shoulders orange: DSc --------------------- --------------------------------------- -------------------------------- ---------------------------- Example U. sea green black black mortarboard black square black black white/blue discipline discipline double chev.
(the second color in the panels and chevrons is the piping color; the panels, chevrons, or piping may be the ACE discipline color) Once the table were started, the hope is that individuals from the various institutions would fill in the table. I'm certainly not an expert in this, and the above is only a first start at a table format. If there is interest and consensus, I could get the table started. Jpgs ( talk) 15:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Article needs more info on the history of Academic Dress. Where did it originate in and so on. I heard it comes from Avicenna's dress but don't know more about it yet. Farmanesh ( talk) 05:31, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
The first university in Europe was established by the Arabs in 841 AD, in the city of Salerno (Italy). It was an extension of the Muslim universities in the east. Then the University of Toledo, Seville and Granada were opened. So when the students (non Muslims from Europe) learned and graduated from these universities and returned to their lands, they used to dress in the Arab / Muslim robes (Thawb or Qamees), they initiated the dress of the Muslims and that would become an indication that this particular student graduated from the university of the Muslims. This imitation of wearing the Arab / Muslim garb (which is baggy and wide in design) has stayed with them to this day. Jack Goody in his book titled "Islam in Europe" says that "The Arabic clothing (Thawb) has remained the purest and clearest sign of scholastic integrity up to this day of ours, especially during scholastic events such as debating of university thesis, and graduations." Jay Khan India ( talk) 16:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't think the hakama is Japanese AD proper. It is a traditional divided skirt but it is worn for other occasions as well and is not historically academically significant in Japan IMHO. More research needs to be done in this area. -- Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 16:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
A number of universities (Columbia [2], Harvard, et. al.) have designs on the facings. American, Andrews, Boston U. , CUNY, Claremont U., Cornell, Dartmouth, Fordham, New York U., Notre Dame, Purdue, Rutgers, USC, Stanford [3] are all featured on the Herff Jones webapage.
Thoughts about creating a gallery for these? Philly jawn ( talk) 04:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I added some information about the history of academic dresses in Germany. Feel free to improve my English ;-) 125.162.47.86 ( talk) 08:38, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
I earned my Master's Degree in Electrical Engineering at the
Georgia Institute of Technology,
Atlanta, Georgia, and it was my first experience with a graduate-degree hood. I had been looking into the correct hood-decoration color for engineering, electical engineering, etc., when I found out from the Institute that all of the master's degrees hoods would be decorated with yellow stripes - the Insitute's color (along with white) -- regardless of the student's academic major. Well, that was the end of the problem. Perhaps this is also done at other Institutes and colleges.
At the same ceremony, we had students who were receiving master's degrees in architecture, all forms of engineereing, chemistry, information & computer science mathematics, physics, engineering management, and probably some other fields. Everybody master's degree recipient with yellow-trimmed hoods. (Also, this was in 1980, and I don't recall paying much attention to the Ph.D. recipients' hoods. Maybe they were all yellow, too.)
Very good, but also a little disappointing, because I had already looked up the orange color for engineering.
When Georgia Tech opened for classes in October 1888, every student majored in mechanical engineering -- but within a couple of years, Georgia Tech was among the early schools in the United States to offer a major in electrical engineering. Of course, knowledge in technology and science have exploded from there.06:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding
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The inter-collegiate colors section seems to be a bit of a mess, particularly in explaining degree versus field colors. The part explaining how the color for the degree subject, rather than the degree, is worded oddly and in a confusing manner. I wasn't sure how to patch it up, so I didn't. It would seem as the second paragraph on the matter is a repetition of the first, but I wasn't sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashilikia ( talk • contribs) 19:10, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
The Tunisia section makes no sense at all; it's not even a grammatically correct sentence. MayerG ( talk) 02:42, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
should their not be a section for the origin of the gown? i have previously read that the origin comes from the traditional Arabic Dress the Kuftan, and was worn by those Europeans who got University Education from Islamic Universities, especially in Cordoba, Toledo, Seville, and other major Arab cities in Andalusia, and went home wearing the kuftan in a sign of them acuiring high Islamic universities education, and the trend then followed in Oxford, and other major universities in Christian Europe... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.235.86.250 ( talk) 12:02, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
The portuguese section does not present the academic dress used in the portuguese universities. It presents the student dress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.241.65 ( talk) 21:55, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Based on having attended multiple colleges and universities, it would appear to be virtually unheard of in contemporary American academia to forbid stoles, honor cords, and other regalia additions.
I am aware that the ACE guidelines state that "nothing else" may be worn with regalia. However, while most individual university dress codes for commencement that I can find do specify that they are based on ACE guidelines (assuming they mention ACE at all, which is rare), they go on to prescribe appropriate use of the sole and honor cord.
I would question whether perhaps a citation is needed to establish that ACE guidelines are widely recognized furthermore perhaps suggest that references be added which address the common deviation (which in my experience and in my research is near universal):
Stoles signifying academic affiliation or merit are typically permitted, limited to a single stole.
Honor cords representing achievements may be worn, with no limitation on the number worn.
Further deviations such as robes in school colors, alternative hats, and the like are now so common (I'd estimate perhaps as many as 25% of regionally accredited American Universities have these and more have embroidered logos and such) that it perhaps should require citation that the ACE guidelines remain a strong authority on the subject. It seems like it would be much more accurate to suggest that American universities have a wide array of loosely structured regalia codes which draw inspiration from but seldom adhere fully to ACE's standards.
A Wikipedia article really shouldn't prescribe what editors think "should be" or stand in defense of propriety but should describe "what is". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick00001 ( talk • contribs) 16:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Although Germany is now a unified country, when the German student movement happened it was divided between West and East. The section implies that the German student movement happened only in West Germany, but I happen to know that academic regalia is still not popular in the former East-German University of Leipzig. I do not have the expertise to provide information about East German universities' academic regalia, but I think this is an omission from the article that needs to be filled. Can you help? Robert P. O'Shea ( talk) 02:03, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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Good and comprehensive, but needs references. Daniel Case 04:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC) |
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