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Hi Koopinator. I reverted your edit because I can't find any reliable reporting which confirms al-Mawla (AKA Hajji ‘Abdallah) and Abdullah Qardash are one and the same person. An article from Newsweek (which turned out to be incorrect) and a few tabloids like the Sun have made that connection, but I can't find anything from more reliable sources in this area. This report from Remy Mahzam, of the International Centre for Political Violence & Terrorism Research, clearly describes Qardash and Al Mawla as 2 different people.
I can't say with 100% certainty, but the information about Qardash doesn't seem to match what is being said about al-Mawla. I think this confusion stems from the fake statement in August which claimed Qardash had been named as al-Baghdadi's successor. Do you have any other information to support that al-Mawla and Qardash are the same person? If not, maybe a new page should be created for Al Mawla, as we do have official information about him (from the U.S. government's Rewards for Justice). Thanks. Johndavies837 ( talk) 23:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi Koopinator,
Why did you spell his name al-Qurayshi rather than al-Qurashi? After all, the Arabic reads أبو إبراهيم الهاشمي القرشي. Eldad ( talk) 19:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Eldad: al-Qurayshi was the first spelling i came across, from this news article. I don't speak Arabic. From a Google news search, al-Qurayshi, al-Quraishi and al-Qurashi are all common transliterations used in sources. Maybe you could try your luck with a requested move, but i believe that if we use al-Qurashi we should also note the alternative transliterations. Koopinator ( talk) 19:56, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Well, as far as I can tell, all the major sources that mentioned his name (including ISIS itself, of course) spelled it al-Qurashi. I wonder how come I'm the first to mention it regarding the entry. I guess there are enough Arabic readers in Wikipedia, and they all could note that. Of course, all the other variants of the name can be mentioned in the entry, but I believe that "al-Qurashi" should be the name of the entry and all the other variants can be mentioned inside. Eldad ( talk) 20:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
The result was a consensus not to merge, which includes the initial proposer, following the emergence of new evidence that these are separate people. (
non-admin closure)
Koopinator (
talk)
17:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Same person.--
Hodgdon's secret garden (
talk)
18:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Regarding merger of Abdullah Qardash to Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurashi, there is huge overlapping between the two. But are they the same? I'm not sure! Abdullah Qardash is reportedly a Turkmen, but Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurashi is a descendant of Quraysh and ethnically Arab for sure. Based on that, they cannot be the same. Qardash is reportedly dead since 3 years, so probably not the same individual as Al Qurayshi Another discrepancy. Qardash is quoted as Hajji Abdullah al-Afari as real name whereas Qurayshi is quoted as Amir Mohammed Abdul Rahman al-Mawli al-Salbi . It seems totally two different people. werldwayd ( talk) 19:19, 30 January 2020 (UTC) werldwayd ( talk) 01:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Zekelayla: @ Hodgdon's secret garden: @ Applodion: Given the new information above stating that al-Hashimi and Qardash are two seperate people, would you oppose a merge now? Hopefully we can now reach a consensus to not merge. Koopinator ( talk) 09:17, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Picture https://twitter.com/News_Executive/status/1263196287224201216 is a new pic. About +- 15 years since the last one. But I'm 99% its not copyright free. Idan ( talk) 20:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Here: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/09/24/How-ISIS-leader-al-Mawla-rose-rapidly-through-the-ranks-in-Iraqi-terrorist-group Koopinator ( talk) 14:36, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
It shouldn't be written as fact that he blew himself up. The US have claimed this, but not provided any evidence, and when reporters asked for it Ned Price gave a very terse and hostile response, indicating they don't have any. Yes, it's possible he did, but we shouldn't take the US government at its word just because it's where most people are from. If it were another country claiming it, we'd say "the US claims that...", and so the same should apply to the US until further evidence is released. Reminder: government intelligence =/= a neutral source, and when there is a political impetus to make a claim (such as this one) we should take it with caution and not assert it as fact.
I hope someone makes the edit imminently to rectify this error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.205.21.39 ( talk) 11:12, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
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Stathmopoda orbiculata: All reliable sources (including academic ones like the CTC Sentinel) say that his birth name was Amir Mohammed Abdul Rahman al-Mawli al-Salbi or a variant of that. Including the report you cite ("ISIS leader Abdullah Qardash came to an end. The Iraqi Turkman, whose real name was Amir Muhammad Saeed Abd al-Rahman Muhammad al-Mawlam [...]"
[3]). At best, "Abdullah Qardash" was one of his many pseudonyms.
The BBC outright says so: "A notorious militant known as "the Destroyer", Qurayshi - who also went by the noms de guerre Hajji Abdullah, Amir Mohammed Said Abdul Rahman al-Mawla and Abdullah Qardash" - though the "Destroyer" nickname actually belongs to
Abdul Nasser Qardash, not al-Qurashi, so the BBC is also mixing up stuff.
Feras Kilani also says "According to the cell's records, Qardash's real name is Amir Muhammad Sa’id al-Salbi al-Mawla [...]".
The assumption that "Abdullah Qardash" was his real name dates back to the early period when he and Abdul Nasser Qardash were usually confused for one another.
Applodion (
talk)
23:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I believe the US raid coordinates are 36.318892° N, 36.681653°E. The DoD photos seem to match Google Earth. Can anybody confirm? Karn ( talk) 12:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
A new brief Biography of Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurashi has emerged and translated by Aymenn j al-tamimi. The link to its english PDF is below:
I request experienced editors to include information from it in article too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam6897 ( talk • contribs) 10:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Koopinator. I reverted your edit because I can't find any reliable reporting which confirms al-Mawla (AKA Hajji ‘Abdallah) and Abdullah Qardash are one and the same person. An article from Newsweek (which turned out to be incorrect) and a few tabloids like the Sun have made that connection, but I can't find anything from more reliable sources in this area. This report from Remy Mahzam, of the International Centre for Political Violence & Terrorism Research, clearly describes Qardash and Al Mawla as 2 different people.
I can't say with 100% certainty, but the information about Qardash doesn't seem to match what is being said about al-Mawla. I think this confusion stems from the fake statement in August which claimed Qardash had been named as al-Baghdadi's successor. Do you have any other information to support that al-Mawla and Qardash are the same person? If not, maybe a new page should be created for Al Mawla, as we do have official information about him (from the U.S. government's Rewards for Justice). Thanks. Johndavies837 ( talk) 23:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi Koopinator,
Why did you spell his name al-Qurayshi rather than al-Qurashi? After all, the Arabic reads أبو إبراهيم الهاشمي القرشي. Eldad ( talk) 19:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Eldad: al-Qurayshi was the first spelling i came across, from this news article. I don't speak Arabic. From a Google news search, al-Qurayshi, al-Quraishi and al-Qurashi are all common transliterations used in sources. Maybe you could try your luck with a requested move, but i believe that if we use al-Qurashi we should also note the alternative transliterations. Koopinator ( talk) 19:56, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Well, as far as I can tell, all the major sources that mentioned his name (including ISIS itself, of course) spelled it al-Qurashi. I wonder how come I'm the first to mention it regarding the entry. I guess there are enough Arabic readers in Wikipedia, and they all could note that. Of course, all the other variants of the name can be mentioned in the entry, but I believe that "al-Qurashi" should be the name of the entry and all the other variants can be mentioned inside. Eldad ( talk) 20:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
The result was a consensus not to merge, which includes the initial proposer, following the emergence of new evidence that these are separate people. (
non-admin closure)
Koopinator (
talk)
17:40, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Same person.--
Hodgdon's secret garden (
talk)
18:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Regarding merger of Abdullah Qardash to Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurashi, there is huge overlapping between the two. But are they the same? I'm not sure! Abdullah Qardash is reportedly a Turkmen, but Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurashi is a descendant of Quraysh and ethnically Arab for sure. Based on that, they cannot be the same. Qardash is reportedly dead since 3 years, so probably not the same individual as Al Qurayshi Another discrepancy. Qardash is quoted as Hajji Abdullah al-Afari as real name whereas Qurayshi is quoted as Amir Mohammed Abdul Rahman al-Mawli al-Salbi . It seems totally two different people. werldwayd ( talk) 19:19, 30 January 2020 (UTC) werldwayd ( talk) 01:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Zekelayla: @ Hodgdon's secret garden: @ Applodion: Given the new information above stating that al-Hashimi and Qardash are two seperate people, would you oppose a merge now? Hopefully we can now reach a consensus to not merge. Koopinator ( talk) 09:17, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Picture https://twitter.com/News_Executive/status/1263196287224201216 is a new pic. About +- 15 years since the last one. But I'm 99% its not copyright free. Idan ( talk) 20:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Here: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/09/24/How-ISIS-leader-al-Mawla-rose-rapidly-through-the-ranks-in-Iraqi-terrorist-group Koopinator ( talk) 14:36, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
It shouldn't be written as fact that he blew himself up. The US have claimed this, but not provided any evidence, and when reporters asked for it Ned Price gave a very terse and hostile response, indicating they don't have any. Yes, it's possible he did, but we shouldn't take the US government at its word just because it's where most people are from. If it were another country claiming it, we'd say "the US claims that...", and so the same should apply to the US until further evidence is released. Reminder: government intelligence =/= a neutral source, and when there is a political impetus to make a claim (such as this one) we should take it with caution and not assert it as fact.
I hope someone makes the edit imminently to rectify this error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.205.21.39 ( talk) 11:12, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
@
Stathmopoda orbiculata: All reliable sources (including academic ones like the CTC Sentinel) say that his birth name was Amir Mohammed Abdul Rahman al-Mawli al-Salbi or a variant of that. Including the report you cite ("ISIS leader Abdullah Qardash came to an end. The Iraqi Turkman, whose real name was Amir Muhammad Saeed Abd al-Rahman Muhammad al-Mawlam [...]"
[3]). At best, "Abdullah Qardash" was one of his many pseudonyms.
The BBC outright says so: "A notorious militant known as "the Destroyer", Qurayshi - who also went by the noms de guerre Hajji Abdullah, Amir Mohammed Said Abdul Rahman al-Mawla and Abdullah Qardash" - though the "Destroyer" nickname actually belongs to
Abdul Nasser Qardash, not al-Qurashi, so the BBC is also mixing up stuff.
Feras Kilani also says "According to the cell's records, Qardash's real name is Amir Muhammad Sa’id al-Salbi al-Mawla [...]".
The assumption that "Abdullah Qardash" was his real name dates back to the early period when he and Abdul Nasser Qardash were usually confused for one another.
Applodion (
talk)
23:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I believe the US raid coordinates are 36.318892° N, 36.681653°E. The DoD photos seem to match Google Earth. Can anybody confirm? Karn ( talk) 12:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
A new brief Biography of Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurashi has emerged and translated by Aymenn j al-tamimi. The link to its english PDF is below:
I request experienced editors to include information from it in article too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam6897 ( talk • contribs) 10:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)