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The contents of the Knob Creek Farm page were merged into Abraham Lincoln Birthplace National Historical Park on 26 October 2021. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
Proposal that Knob Creek Farm be merged into Abraham Lincoln Birthplace National Historical Park. I think that the content in the Creek article can easily be explained in the context of Park, and the Park article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Creek will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. The two properties are part of the same National Park. Alanscottwalker ( talk) 19:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm still totally agnostic about it. Which means that I'd personally leave it alone out of pure laziness, but will not object at all to what others do. You might try User:Ruhrfisch for help with maps (but I always find myself referring people to him - so he might be getting overworked!) Smallbones( smalltalk) 22:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Further thoughts against. I should have mentioned that I am here as a member of the Wiki Project Kentucky, at which Alanscottwalker did post a notice about the proposed merge. As a native of the Commonwealth, and someone who has repeatedly visited both sites (one of my best friends on the planet lives just a few miles north of Knob Creek Farm in New Haven), I think it's important to keep the two articles separate for encyclopedic purposes. First, it is correct that the "birthplace" is a shrine more to the area where Lincoln was born than to the actual cabin: which is a complete farce, but no longer touted by anyone as Lincoln's birthplace. Second, the Knob Creek property has no extant Lincoln family structures or other features from their time there (except for the creek, of course). The Gollaher cabin there is (mostly) original and probably reflects the building style of most cabins in the area at the time the Lincolns lived at Knob Creek. The NPS makes no effort to fool the public into believing the Gollaher cabin is the Lincolns' home, but they do emphasize that it's at the approximate location. (As an aside, no NPS ranger or document has ever stated to me how this was determined, though I think it's inferred from period land records and the location of the road.) What's most fascinating about the Knob Creek site is the emphasis on Lincoln tourism, primarily the Lincoln Tavern which was built in 1933 during the Great Depression. Even in those bleak years, folks wanted to capitalize on the Lincoln name and mythos in any way that they could. Harrodsburg, for example, did the same and a running joke in the area is that wherever Daniel Boone's horse took a s**t, the D.A.R. put up a memorial plaque. I'm not going to fall on a sword to keep the articles separate, but in the "big picture", it's important in my mind that they remain separate due to the distinctive history of each site. Do I get a barnstar for my long-winded, rambling follow-up? Spacini ( talk) 00:37, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
There is a debate over whether to keep Homes of the US Founding Fathers as a category. More opinions are needed. The discussion is located Here -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 20:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
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The contents of the Knob Creek Farm page were merged into Abraham Lincoln Birthplace National Historical Park on 26 October 2021. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page. |
Proposal that Knob Creek Farm be merged into Abraham Lincoln Birthplace National Historical Park. I think that the content in the Creek article can easily be explained in the context of Park, and the Park article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Creek will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. The two properties are part of the same National Park. Alanscottwalker ( talk) 19:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm still totally agnostic about it. Which means that I'd personally leave it alone out of pure laziness, but will not object at all to what others do. You might try User:Ruhrfisch for help with maps (but I always find myself referring people to him - so he might be getting overworked!) Smallbones( smalltalk) 22:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Further thoughts against. I should have mentioned that I am here as a member of the Wiki Project Kentucky, at which Alanscottwalker did post a notice about the proposed merge. As a native of the Commonwealth, and someone who has repeatedly visited both sites (one of my best friends on the planet lives just a few miles north of Knob Creek Farm in New Haven), I think it's important to keep the two articles separate for encyclopedic purposes. First, it is correct that the "birthplace" is a shrine more to the area where Lincoln was born than to the actual cabin: which is a complete farce, but no longer touted by anyone as Lincoln's birthplace. Second, the Knob Creek property has no extant Lincoln family structures or other features from their time there (except for the creek, of course). The Gollaher cabin there is (mostly) original and probably reflects the building style of most cabins in the area at the time the Lincolns lived at Knob Creek. The NPS makes no effort to fool the public into believing the Gollaher cabin is the Lincolns' home, but they do emphasize that it's at the approximate location. (As an aside, no NPS ranger or document has ever stated to me how this was determined, though I think it's inferred from period land records and the location of the road.) What's most fascinating about the Knob Creek site is the emphasis on Lincoln tourism, primarily the Lincoln Tavern which was built in 1933 during the Great Depression. Even in those bleak years, folks wanted to capitalize on the Lincoln name and mythos in any way that they could. Harrodsburg, for example, did the same and a running joke in the area is that wherever Daniel Boone's horse took a s**t, the D.A.R. put up a memorial plaque. I'm not going to fall on a sword to keep the articles separate, but in the "big picture", it's important in my mind that they remain separate due to the distinctive history of each site. Do I get a barnstar for my long-winded, rambling follow-up? Spacini ( talk) 00:37, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
There is a debate over whether to keep Homes of the US Founding Fathers as a category. More opinions are needed. The discussion is located Here -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 20:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC)