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I'm wondering if the last paragraph in the article on the SA Police Association's (ill considered) effort to change the definition of 'Deaths in Custody' is worth keeping. Yes it is accurate and may have felt worth writing about at the time. But given that nothing came of the move, and it only came from the Police Union of one state, I wonder if it merits recording. This article is rather long and cluttered as it is and I feel could benefit from some judicious trimming. What do people think? Rbngrss 2022 ( talk) 13:48, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
What needs cleaning up here? I'm happy to fix up whatever's wrong, if one of you guys who's marked it for cleanup can tell me what the problem is.
Hi Benvenuto and other Wikipedians
In point of fact if TJ Hickey was being pursued by the police this would count as a 'death in custody' and be one of the near 500 odd even though TJ himself never entered custody. This is a point that needs to be made more explicitly and clearly in the article. Actually, the police denied they were even looking for him which the coroner accepted but don't tell the crabby activists that! Rbngrss 2022 ( talk) 08:30, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Rayd8 05:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Someone replaced "custody" with "custard" in this article, I changed it back.-- Ganchelkas 13:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
'clean up'
Hi - Well in relation to the 'clean up' I can think of at least one thing - although the RCIADIC occurred in '88, there is no indication that the deaths have actually lessened but rather there appears to be less moral outrage than in previous decades. There is also little evidence that the 339 recommendations have ever been adequately implemented. 138.217.254.47 12:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
This has been removed, rightly in my view, from the article, but I think it can be left here on the talk page:
"The Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation draws your attention to the cultural sensitivity of issues and material in the individual death reports of the Royal Commission. The Council asks that, in accessing and using these reports, you be aware of this and of the sensitivities of the living relatives and friends of those whose deaths are recorded in these documents."
-- Bduke ( talk) 05:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
What do people think about starting a list of the people who die, when, where, the circumstances etc? Phantomnubian ( talk) 22:13, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
"For example, in 2009, an Indigenous Australian is 14 times more likely to be in prison than a non-Indigenous Australian, and in 2009, 25% of prisoners in Australia were Indigenous. Approximately 18% of deaths in custody in Australia between 1990 and 2007 were of Indigenous people."
These stats cover different periods of time and suggest that indigenous deaths are proportionally less than non-indigenous deaths. Isn't this the opposite of what the Commission was investigating? Stats that cover the same period are required that represent the issue. Ledpup ( talk) 09:32, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
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I feel it is somewhat racist to have a full mention of Aboriginal deaths in custody while having no mention of non-aboriginal deaths in (Australian) custody. Apparently the latter happen at a higher rate. I have split this out to its own section, and would hope someone more knowledgeable than myself will expand upon it, perhaps by reading the cited report. Tuntable ( talk) 00:59, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
The lede gives natural deaths at 58% and hangings at 43%. This can't be right. Konli17 ( talk) 17:16, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Wikipedians
I'm wondering if the last paragraph in the article on the SA Police Association's (ill considered) effort to change the definition of 'Deaths in Custody' is worth keeping. Yes it is accurate and may have felt worth writing about at the time. But given that nothing came of the move, and it only came from the Police Union of one state, I wonder if it merits recording. This article is rather long and cluttered as it is and I feel could benefit from some judicious trimming. What do people think? Rbngrss 2022 ( talk) 13:48, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
What needs cleaning up here? I'm happy to fix up whatever's wrong, if one of you guys who's marked it for cleanup can tell me what the problem is.
Hi Benvenuto and other Wikipedians
In point of fact if TJ Hickey was being pursued by the police this would count as a 'death in custody' and be one of the near 500 odd even though TJ himself never entered custody. This is a point that needs to be made more explicitly and clearly in the article. Actually, the police denied they were even looking for him which the coroner accepted but don't tell the crabby activists that! Rbngrss 2022 ( talk) 08:30, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Rayd8 05:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Someone replaced "custody" with "custard" in this article, I changed it back.-- Ganchelkas 13:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
'clean up'
Hi - Well in relation to the 'clean up' I can think of at least one thing - although the RCIADIC occurred in '88, there is no indication that the deaths have actually lessened but rather there appears to be less moral outrage than in previous decades. There is also little evidence that the 339 recommendations have ever been adequately implemented. 138.217.254.47 12:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
This has been removed, rightly in my view, from the article, but I think it can be left here on the talk page:
"The Council for Aboriginal Reconciliation draws your attention to the cultural sensitivity of issues and material in the individual death reports of the Royal Commission. The Council asks that, in accessing and using these reports, you be aware of this and of the sensitivities of the living relatives and friends of those whose deaths are recorded in these documents."
-- Bduke ( talk) 05:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
What do people think about starting a list of the people who die, when, where, the circumstances etc? Phantomnubian ( talk) 22:13, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
"For example, in 2009, an Indigenous Australian is 14 times more likely to be in prison than a non-Indigenous Australian, and in 2009, 25% of prisoners in Australia were Indigenous. Approximately 18% of deaths in custody in Australia between 1990 and 2007 were of Indigenous people."
These stats cover different periods of time and suggest that indigenous deaths are proportionally less than non-indigenous deaths. Isn't this the opposite of what the Commission was investigating? Stats that cover the same period are required that represent the issue. Ledpup ( talk) 09:32, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
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I feel it is somewhat racist to have a full mention of Aboriginal deaths in custody while having no mention of non-aboriginal deaths in (Australian) custody. Apparently the latter happen at a higher rate. I have split this out to its own section, and would hope someone more knowledgeable than myself will expand upon it, perhaps by reading the cited report. Tuntable ( talk) 00:59, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
The lede gives natural deaths at 58% and hangings at 43%. This can't be right. Konli17 ( talk) 17:16, 21 June 2020 (UTC)