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This is unsourced (b) Taylor never completed his PhD (3) I don't know where he got that from but it is prima facie an extremely improbable conclusion (4) we have 3,000 words (out of perhaps an original wordstock of upwards of 1-200,000) of different Palawa languages, whose independent profiles we cannot determine, and (5) making inferences from these ill-transcribed remnants as to topologically and temporally differentiated migration patterns going back 40,000 years is impossible. Ask any linguist. Nishidani ( talk) 16:31, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Politics should have no place in prehistorical sections. Johnson and Mcfarlane's discussion 2015 states that this was media hype, that the guesses ignored rabbit borrowing and erosion that can confused levels, and that the Jordan river area was virtually in inhabited until 6,000 years ago. Nishidani ( talk) 17:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
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Please change "Premighana" in the Visual Art section to "Preminghana". 114.76.102.54 ( talk) 04:56, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
From the lead section, paragraph 3: "by 1835 only some 400 full-blooded Tasmanian aborigines survived."
From the lead section, paragraph 4: "By 1833... George Augustus Robinson... had persuaded the approximately 200 surviving Aboriginal Tasmanians to surrender themselves."
I doubt that the population doubled in size in two years. Axl ¤ [Talk] 11:48, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
`isolated until british arrival`, yet, later paragraphs say, it was named Van Deimans land by the DUTCH explorer, Able Tasman, after which, the state is now named, TASMANIA, why the impression the british were the first here (or the rest of the globe), there is likely other explorers to visit Lutrawita, but never made it back to europe to tell of it/maps of it (possible Chinese exploration also), perhaps this needs addressing and not so pro british — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:1424:4C01:5499:1F59:CAE7:D634 ( talk) 06:29, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
For those peoples who do not know our true, and Original,one and only universally used Language, I point out that these two words were extracted from the books, Robinson by Plomley & Joseph Milligan, & they knew nothing, so why are these words being used today ?
Here is the truth:
Palawa = Its mine, and these peoples ! Kani = It belongs to us I tell you ! Pakana = Its mine, I own this ground !
I ask my peoples to please use "The true words" for Tasmanian Aborigine's - "Jiwa,Mehopeha'na" First Peoples Of Our Beautiful Big Heart Ground, for anything less than that is "Popi,mehaber' disrespectful to the memory of our beloved ancestors; Except that language is mostly revived from the recordings of the Melukerdee tribes and is not the same language or tribe of the Hobart or other areas.
I am the last Tasmanian Aborigine with our peoples Original, True and Universal Language, and what is curious is that besides this fact, and my registered family DNA links, it seems that I remain unrecognized by the Hobart Aboriginal hierarchy that decides it. in fact in seeking recognition, I was deliberately diverted to the minister for Aboriginal Affairs in Victoria, {evidently a common practice} before being reconnected with the very person who diverted me at the Hobart office, I have been told that this individual will contact me shortly, and that was about 3 months ago,this is not the first time I have contacted this Office and been ousted; The reanimated language is heavily based on Melukerdee words - huon river area - there WAS NOT ONE LANGUAGE IN TASMANIA- WRONG! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.178.198.124 ( talk) 02:50, 14 December 2023 (UTC) .ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! this is why tasmanian aboriginals today are represented by about 5 different councils... It is not appropriate to say there is / was only one language or tribal identity. the TAC for eg only rpresents some of the people the other councils cover their own folks.
This is a name used by a very small minority of Tasmanian Aboriginal people. There was never one name for Tasmanian first nation people. This has been created by a few to gain funding. Greed is the motivator. Check out "Palawan" on Google. You will find a pacific Island. My ancestors were Tasmanian Aboriginal people, not palawa people. 2001:8003:163E:4700:ED0A:48B7:B6B8:1B0C ( talk) 11:49, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
There are no full-blooded Tasmanians since the 1870s, their language is gone, their culture is gone, their artefacts and skeletons are in museums. What remains other than a few claiming Cherokee princess-like descent? I have read around on the subject but I am not sure whether it is even appropriate to not call them extinct, as it would downplay the severity of this genocide. See this btw. Synotia ( moan) 08:11, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
There is in addition, as covered in the article you linked, the more recent phenomenon of people, from elsewhere in Tasmania, with more tenuous claims to Tasmanian Aboriginal origins, identifying and being counted as Aboriginal, likely inflating measured numbers.Yep, that's indeed why I had linked that article. That blonde blue-eyed woman Sonya Searle looks whiter than me, and she is supposed to be Tasmanian Aboriginal? I thought to myself that if even people like her are accepted as aboriginal, it's a sign of desperation of sorts. Synotia ( moan) 13:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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This is unsourced (b) Taylor never completed his PhD (3) I don't know where he got that from but it is prima facie an extremely improbable conclusion (4) we have 3,000 words (out of perhaps an original wordstock of upwards of 1-200,000) of different Palawa languages, whose independent profiles we cannot determine, and (5) making inferences from these ill-transcribed remnants as to topologically and temporally differentiated migration patterns going back 40,000 years is impossible. Ask any linguist. Nishidani ( talk) 16:31, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Politics should have no place in prehistorical sections. Johnson and Mcfarlane's discussion 2015 states that this was media hype, that the guesses ignored rabbit borrowing and erosion that can confused levels, and that the Jordan river area was virtually in inhabited until 6,000 years ago. Nishidani ( talk) 17:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
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Please change "Premighana" in the Visual Art section to "Preminghana". 114.76.102.54 ( talk) 04:56, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
From the lead section, paragraph 3: "by 1835 only some 400 full-blooded Tasmanian aborigines survived."
From the lead section, paragraph 4: "By 1833... George Augustus Robinson... had persuaded the approximately 200 surviving Aboriginal Tasmanians to surrender themselves."
I doubt that the population doubled in size in two years. Axl ¤ [Talk] 11:48, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
`isolated until british arrival`, yet, later paragraphs say, it was named Van Deimans land by the DUTCH explorer, Able Tasman, after which, the state is now named, TASMANIA, why the impression the british were the first here (or the rest of the globe), there is likely other explorers to visit Lutrawita, but never made it back to europe to tell of it/maps of it (possible Chinese exploration also), perhaps this needs addressing and not so pro british — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:1424:4C01:5499:1F59:CAE7:D634 ( talk) 06:29, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
For those peoples who do not know our true, and Original,one and only universally used Language, I point out that these two words were extracted from the books, Robinson by Plomley & Joseph Milligan, & they knew nothing, so why are these words being used today ?
Here is the truth:
Palawa = Its mine, and these peoples ! Kani = It belongs to us I tell you ! Pakana = Its mine, I own this ground !
I ask my peoples to please use "The true words" for Tasmanian Aborigine's - "Jiwa,Mehopeha'na" First Peoples Of Our Beautiful Big Heart Ground, for anything less than that is "Popi,mehaber' disrespectful to the memory of our beloved ancestors; Except that language is mostly revived from the recordings of the Melukerdee tribes and is not the same language or tribe of the Hobart or other areas.
I am the last Tasmanian Aborigine with our peoples Original, True and Universal Language, and what is curious is that besides this fact, and my registered family DNA links, it seems that I remain unrecognized by the Hobart Aboriginal hierarchy that decides it. in fact in seeking recognition, I was deliberately diverted to the minister for Aboriginal Affairs in Victoria, {evidently a common practice} before being reconnected with the very person who diverted me at the Hobart office, I have been told that this individual will contact me shortly, and that was about 3 months ago,this is not the first time I have contacted this Office and been ousted; The reanimated language is heavily based on Melukerdee words - huon river area - there WAS NOT ONE LANGUAGE IN TASMANIA- WRONG! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.178.198.124 ( talk) 02:50, 14 December 2023 (UTC) .ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! this is why tasmanian aboriginals today are represented by about 5 different councils... It is not appropriate to say there is / was only one language or tribal identity. the TAC for eg only rpresents some of the people the other councils cover their own folks.
This is a name used by a very small minority of Tasmanian Aboriginal people. There was never one name for Tasmanian first nation people. This has been created by a few to gain funding. Greed is the motivator. Check out "Palawan" on Google. You will find a pacific Island. My ancestors were Tasmanian Aboriginal people, not palawa people. 2001:8003:163E:4700:ED0A:48B7:B6B8:1B0C ( talk) 11:49, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
There are no full-blooded Tasmanians since the 1870s, their language is gone, their culture is gone, their artefacts and skeletons are in museums. What remains other than a few claiming Cherokee princess-like descent? I have read around on the subject but I am not sure whether it is even appropriate to not call them extinct, as it would downplay the severity of this genocide. See this btw. Synotia ( moan) 08:11, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
There is in addition, as covered in the article you linked, the more recent phenomenon of people, from elsewhere in Tasmania, with more tenuous claims to Tasmanian Aboriginal origins, identifying and being counted as Aboriginal, likely inflating measured numbers.Yep, that's indeed why I had linked that article. That blonde blue-eyed woman Sonya Searle looks whiter than me, and she is supposed to be Tasmanian Aboriginal? I thought to myself that if even people like her are accepted as aboriginal, it's a sign of desperation of sorts. Synotia ( moan) 13:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)