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What does "consecutive repeating letters count as single" mean? Consonants with shadda are certainly only counted once, but in Allah there are actually two letters Lam, not only a shadda. You can only get 37 by omitting one of the Lam's (which is a real actual letter) and counting the diacritic alif (which is not a letter, merely a diacritic). Who does reduction of words to numerical values in this manner, and what evidence do you have for it? There's plenty of evidence that many people sum بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم to 786. AnonMoos 15:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
-- Beland 04:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The Abjad numbers are also used to assign numerical values to Arabic words for purposes of gematria/ isopsephy & numerology which is referred to in Arabic as Hisab al-Jummal. - Brad Watson, Miami, FL 75.74.156.102 ( talk) 15:41, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
"Levantine order" redirects to this article, however, the focus of this article is not Levantine; there is only a brief mention that Hebrew has a different order at the very end of the article. If "Levantine order" is to redirect here, would it be better to either expand on the the Levantine order within this article (which I'm not sure would actually fit that well in this article's context), or — I think better — have a separate article called "Levantine order" which expands on the orders used in the Levant (such as by the Ugaritic and Hebrew ordering)? — al-Shimoni ( talk) 01:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
In Ottoman fountains ( çeșme) in Istanbul there are often Osmanli poems that are apparently chronograms dating the fountain. Explaining them and including some pictures would be a good addition. -- Error ( talk) 01:59, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
They don't do much harm, but in many cases they won't do much good either, since they link to basic articles about letters of the alphabet etc., instead of to discussion of the use of such letters in IPA or Semitological transcription conventions... AnonMoos ( talk) 16:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
The article 9 (number) mentions the Baháʼí use of 9 because the sum of the letters in بهاء bahāʼ is supposed to total 9. But I can only see it adding up to 8. The only way to make it 9 is if you count the hamzah all on its own as a 1. Can anyone verify that hamzah is supposed to be a 1 in this system? I doubt if hamzah can really be considered a letter or not. Hopefully if this question is clarified the answer could be included in this article. Don't know if I'm the only one who's ever wondered about this. Johanna-Hypatia ( talk) 16:31, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Gematria (Hebrew & English), isopsephy (Greek) and Abjad numerals/ hisab al-jummal (Arabic) are closely related and are now being studied together by some linguists as an important aspect of linguistic science. - Brad Watson, Miami 71.196.11.183 ( talk) 17:27, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Wrong. There's much analysis currently going on of the Qur'an through Abjad numerals/Hisab al-Jummal - google that. 73.85.205.93 ( talk) 15:28, 23 May 2018 (UTC) Muffi
What is the numerical representation of tā' marbūṭa (ة)? Is it doesn't count at all even in 'idaafa as ordinary tā'? or it is treated as ha' (ه) in all forms? Thanks. -- Heydari ( talk) 08:44, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
in the final paragraph, someone claims there is no Greek letter equivalent to samekh ס ص, but the Greek xi Ξ is directly copied from the Phoenician samkha without its central vertical. I don't know what the OP was trying to refer to, because i don't know enough about Greek numerals, but verification is in order. 76.121.97.156 ( talk) 20:03, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm developing an {{
isopsephy}}
template, including functionally for multiple languages. I isolate each letter to corollate it with its number. Arabic is trickier than the other languages because a letter changes depending on its position in the word. Default, the encoding shows each letter in its isolated form. Is this ok?
{{isopsephy|lang=ar|بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم}}
م
40
ي
10
ح
8
ر
200
ل
30
ا
1
ن
50
م
40
ح
8
ر
200
ل
30
ا
1
ه
5
ل
30
ل
30
ا
1
م
40
س
60
ب
2
Eievie ( talk) 22:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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What does "consecutive repeating letters count as single" mean? Consonants with shadda are certainly only counted once, but in Allah there are actually two letters Lam, not only a shadda. You can only get 37 by omitting one of the Lam's (which is a real actual letter) and counting the diacritic alif (which is not a letter, merely a diacritic). Who does reduction of words to numerical values in this manner, and what evidence do you have for it? There's plenty of evidence that many people sum بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم to 786. AnonMoos 15:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
-- Beland 04:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The Abjad numbers are also used to assign numerical values to Arabic words for purposes of gematria/ isopsephy & numerology which is referred to in Arabic as Hisab al-Jummal. - Brad Watson, Miami, FL 75.74.156.102 ( talk) 15:41, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
"Levantine order" redirects to this article, however, the focus of this article is not Levantine; there is only a brief mention that Hebrew has a different order at the very end of the article. If "Levantine order" is to redirect here, would it be better to either expand on the the Levantine order within this article (which I'm not sure would actually fit that well in this article's context), or — I think better — have a separate article called "Levantine order" which expands on the orders used in the Levant (such as by the Ugaritic and Hebrew ordering)? — al-Shimoni ( talk) 01:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
In Ottoman fountains ( çeșme) in Istanbul there are often Osmanli poems that are apparently chronograms dating the fountain. Explaining them and including some pictures would be a good addition. -- Error ( talk) 01:59, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
They don't do much harm, but in many cases they won't do much good either, since they link to basic articles about letters of the alphabet etc., instead of to discussion of the use of such letters in IPA or Semitological transcription conventions... AnonMoos ( talk) 16:34, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
The article 9 (number) mentions the Baháʼí use of 9 because the sum of the letters in بهاء bahāʼ is supposed to total 9. But I can only see it adding up to 8. The only way to make it 9 is if you count the hamzah all on its own as a 1. Can anyone verify that hamzah is supposed to be a 1 in this system? I doubt if hamzah can really be considered a letter or not. Hopefully if this question is clarified the answer could be included in this article. Don't know if I'm the only one who's ever wondered about this. Johanna-Hypatia ( talk) 16:31, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Gematria (Hebrew & English), isopsephy (Greek) and Abjad numerals/ hisab al-jummal (Arabic) are closely related and are now being studied together by some linguists as an important aspect of linguistic science. - Brad Watson, Miami 71.196.11.183 ( talk) 17:27, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Wrong. There's much analysis currently going on of the Qur'an through Abjad numerals/Hisab al-Jummal - google that. 73.85.205.93 ( talk) 15:28, 23 May 2018 (UTC) Muffi
What is the numerical representation of tā' marbūṭa (ة)? Is it doesn't count at all even in 'idaafa as ordinary tā'? or it is treated as ha' (ه) in all forms? Thanks. -- Heydari ( talk) 08:44, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
in the final paragraph, someone claims there is no Greek letter equivalent to samekh ס ص, but the Greek xi Ξ is directly copied from the Phoenician samkha without its central vertical. I don't know what the OP was trying to refer to, because i don't know enough about Greek numerals, but verification is in order. 76.121.97.156 ( talk) 20:03, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm developing an {{
isopsephy}}
template, including functionally for multiple languages. I isolate each letter to corollate it with its number. Arabic is trickier than the other languages because a letter changes depending on its position in the word. Default, the encoding shows each letter in its isolated form. Is this ok?
{{isopsephy|lang=ar|بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم}}
م
40
ي
10
ح
8
ر
200
ل
30
ا
1
ن
50
م
40
ح
8
ر
200
ل
30
ا
1
ه
5
ل
30
ل
30
ا
1
م
40
س
60
ب
2
Eievie ( talk) 22:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)