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This article was deleted but, after a deletion review, was undeleted, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_April_6#Abdur_Raheem_Green_.28closed.29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leaf Green Warrior ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Neither the Daily Star nor Stand for Peace are reliable sources - one is a tabloid with a dubious reputation for reliability and the second is a partisan advocacy blog. The other referenced sources cannot be verified, as they do not make the claims themselves - rather, they pass off the claims to another blog, "Harry's Place," which is also not a reliable source. I have removed the content in question as poorly-sourced contentious negative material about a living person, as directed by the Biographies of living persons policy.
Do not reinsert any material removed under BLP until the claims and sources issues have been worked out here. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 16:52, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
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The first sentence of the lead section for this article currently begins with "Abdur Raheem Green is a British Salafi[1] Muslim convert who is known in some Muslim communities for his work in Dawah, both in televised formal settings and informal contexts such as Hyde Park's Speakers Corner."
The lede section should summarize the major facts/qualities/traits of the subject, per Wikipedia guidelines. The "Salafi" description in the lead is worthy of discussion for its inclusion in that section. I have reviewed several reliable source news articles that reference the subject and none of them describe him as a Salafi--nor contain the word "Salafi" for that matter. The one reference that does mention his Salafi views is not enough to influence the lede section in my opinion. This leads to the conclusion that it is not a primary trait of the subject, and is not worthy of inclusion in the lede section. Below is a summary of my findings:
Please provide any feedback if you disagree with the proposed change. Thank you. -- Djrun ( talk) 19:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Greetings. The controversy surrounding iERA and the so-called "Portsmouth jihadis" is certainly an appropriate reference for the iERA article on Wikipedia. But how relevant is this reference within the Abdur Raheem Green article? Other than the fact that Mr. Green is the chairman of iERA at the time of the controversy, what other connection does the subject have to the event? The Telegraph article being used as a reference only mentions Green once in regards to being the chairman of iERA and not in regards to the controversy. Organisations subject to any sort of scandal/controversy seem to have that information within the organisation's article page in Wikipedia, rather than on the page of the organisation's members (unless the subject played a central role in the controversy). I am afraid that the Abdur Raheem Green article may result in being inappropriately expended to house irrelevant information on iERA's activities. Please share your thoughts. -- Djrun ( talk) 00:49, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
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Citation No | Citation | Name |
01 | Gilham, Jamie; Geaves, Ron, eds. (2017). Victorian Muslim: Abdullah Quilliam and Islam in the West: The Contested Ground of British Islamic Activism. Oxford University Press. p. 142. ISBN 9780190688349. | Abdurraheem Green |
02 | "About iERA". YouTube. | none |
03 | Bowen, Innes "Medina in Birmingham, Najaf in Brent: Inside British Islam" "He remained a Salafi but became a popular speaker at events organised by a wide range of Islamic organizations" | Abdur Raheem Green |
04 | Sadek Hamid (2016), Sufis, Salafis and Islamists: The Contested Ground of British Islamic Activism, I. B. Taurus, p. 56, ISBN 9781788310611 | Abdurraheem Green |
05 | Bangstad, Sindre (2014). Anders Breivik and the Rise of Islamophobia. Zed Books. ISBN 9781783600106. | Abdurraheem Green |
06 | Meijer, Roel, ed. (2014). Global Salafism: Islam's New Religious Movement. Oxford University Press. pp. 445–447. ISBN 978-0199333431. | Abdur-Raheem Green |
07 | "Abdurraheem Green". Archived from the original on 25 December 2011. Retrieved 5 April 2012. | Abdurraheem Green |
08 | "Sheikh Abdur-Raheem Green". Islam Events. Archived from the original on 21 November 2009. Retrieved 28 September 2013. | Abdur Raheem Green and Abdur-Raheem Green |
09 | Murdianingsih, Dwi (20 October 2011). "Tuhan Bisa Mati? Mendengar Itu Abdur Raheem Green Serasa Ditinju Mike Tyson di Wajah". Republika (in Indonesian). Archived from the original on 12 February 2012. Retrieved 10 April 2012. | Abdur Raheem Green and Anthony Vatswaf Galvin Green |
10 | Karagiannis, Emmanuel (2 January 2018). The New Political Islam: Human Rights, Democracy, and Justice. ISBN 9780812249729. | Abdurraheem Green |
11 | "Why I embraced Islam: Interview with Br. Abduraheem Green". Islamic Voice. Archived from the original on 7 April 2013. Retrieved 28 September 2013. | Abdurraheem Green |
12 | Wilson, Peter (9 December 2006). "Boys need to repent: Green". The Australian. Archived from the original on May 12, 2014. Retrieved 10 April 2012. | Abdur Raheem Green |
13 | "Australia bans Muslim public speaker". The World Today (Australian radio program). 2005-08-11. | Abdur Raheem Green |
14 | "Islamic group's speech at Concordia University is cancelled". CTV News. 21 October 2011. | Abdurraheem Green |
15 | Elgot, Jessica (5 July 2012). "Arsenal ban Islamist preacher from Emirates Stadium". The Jewish Chronicle. Archived from the original on 7 March 2014. Retrieved 7 March 2014. | Abdur Raheem Green |
16 | "Investigation launched into educational charity". Charity Commission, 8 May 2014. Archived from the original on 27 May 2014. Retrieved 26 May 2014. | none. |
17 | Mendick, Robert & Lazarus, Ben (24 May 2014). "'Anti-Semitic' charity under investigation". The Daily Telegraph. Archived from the original on 12 August 2016. Retrieved 26 May 2014. | Abdurraheem Green |
18 | Proctor, Kate (20 May 2015). "Islamic preacher Abdur Raheem Green banned from St James Park by Newcastle United". Evening Chronicle. Archived from the original on 22 May 2015. Retrieved 5 August 2017. | Abdur Raheem Green |
EL 1 | Official website | Abdurraheem Green |
EL 2 | Abdur-Raheem Green Lectures on HalalTube | Abdur-Raheem Green |
EL 3 | Abdur Rahim Green on Peace TV | Abdur Rahim Green |
EL 4 | Colvin, Mark (11 August 2005). "Question mark over Abdur-Raheem Green's visit to Australia Question mark over Abdur-Raheem Green's visit to Australia". PM on Australian Broadcasting Corporation. | Abdur-Raheem Green |
EL 5 | Gregory, Angela (9 August 2005). "Muslim convert rejects radical label". The New Zealand Herald. | Abdur Raheem Green |
EL 6 | Zuarida Mohyin, Susunan (10 June 2010). "Abdur Raheem utamakan dakwah". Utusan Online. Archived from the original on 3 February 2016. | Abdur Raheem Green |
EL 7 | "UK cleric to clear the air on Islam". The Gleaner. 14 May 2011. | Abdur Raheem Green |
In summary the following names are used in cited sources:
If we include the external links, these figures change to:
-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC) updated -- Toddy1 (talk) 11:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
According to the accounts submitted by iERA to the Charity Commission, his name is Anthony W G Green. [1]
The Charity Commission lists four trustees for IERA, where he is named Anthony Waclaw Green. [2] -- Toddy1 (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
According to Companies House, he is Anthony Waclaw Gavin Green, born September 1964. [3]
References
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This article was deleted but, after a deletion review, was undeleted, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2012_April_6#Abdur_Raheem_Green_.28closed.29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leaf Green Warrior ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Neither the Daily Star nor Stand for Peace are reliable sources - one is a tabloid with a dubious reputation for reliability and the second is a partisan advocacy blog. The other referenced sources cannot be verified, as they do not make the claims themselves - rather, they pass off the claims to another blog, "Harry's Place," which is also not a reliable source. I have removed the content in question as poorly-sourced contentious negative material about a living person, as directed by the Biographies of living persons policy.
Do not reinsert any material removed under BLP until the claims and sources issues have been worked out here. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 16:52, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
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The first sentence of the lead section for this article currently begins with "Abdur Raheem Green is a British Salafi[1] Muslim convert who is known in some Muslim communities for his work in Dawah, both in televised formal settings and informal contexts such as Hyde Park's Speakers Corner."
The lede section should summarize the major facts/qualities/traits of the subject, per Wikipedia guidelines. The "Salafi" description in the lead is worthy of discussion for its inclusion in that section. I have reviewed several reliable source news articles that reference the subject and none of them describe him as a Salafi--nor contain the word "Salafi" for that matter. The one reference that does mention his Salafi views is not enough to influence the lede section in my opinion. This leads to the conclusion that it is not a primary trait of the subject, and is not worthy of inclusion in the lede section. Below is a summary of my findings:
Please provide any feedback if you disagree with the proposed change. Thank you. -- Djrun ( talk) 19:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Greetings. The controversy surrounding iERA and the so-called "Portsmouth jihadis" is certainly an appropriate reference for the iERA article on Wikipedia. But how relevant is this reference within the Abdur Raheem Green article? Other than the fact that Mr. Green is the chairman of iERA at the time of the controversy, what other connection does the subject have to the event? The Telegraph article being used as a reference only mentions Green once in regards to being the chairman of iERA and not in regards to the controversy. Organisations subject to any sort of scandal/controversy seem to have that information within the organisation's article page in Wikipedia, rather than on the page of the organisation's members (unless the subject played a central role in the controversy). I am afraid that the Abdur Raheem Green article may result in being inappropriately expended to house irrelevant information on iERA's activities. Please share your thoughts. -- Djrun ( talk) 00:49, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
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---|---|---|
Citation No | Citation | Name |
01 | Gilham, Jamie; Geaves, Ron, eds. (2017). Victorian Muslim: Abdullah Quilliam and Islam in the West: The Contested Ground of British Islamic Activism. Oxford University Press. p. 142. ISBN 9780190688349. | Abdurraheem Green |
02 | "About iERA". YouTube. | none |
03 | Bowen, Innes "Medina in Birmingham, Najaf in Brent: Inside British Islam" "He remained a Salafi but became a popular speaker at events organised by a wide range of Islamic organizations" | Abdur Raheem Green |
04 | Sadek Hamid (2016), Sufis, Salafis and Islamists: The Contested Ground of British Islamic Activism, I. B. Taurus, p. 56, ISBN 9781788310611 | Abdurraheem Green |
05 | Bangstad, Sindre (2014). Anders Breivik and the Rise of Islamophobia. Zed Books. ISBN 9781783600106. | Abdurraheem Green |
06 | Meijer, Roel, ed. (2014). Global Salafism: Islam's New Religious Movement. Oxford University Press. pp. 445–447. ISBN 978-0199333431. | Abdur-Raheem Green |
07 | "Abdurraheem Green". Archived from the original on 25 December 2011. Retrieved 5 April 2012. | Abdurraheem Green |
08 | "Sheikh Abdur-Raheem Green". Islam Events. Archived from the original on 21 November 2009. Retrieved 28 September 2013. | Abdur Raheem Green and Abdur-Raheem Green |
09 | Murdianingsih, Dwi (20 October 2011). "Tuhan Bisa Mati? Mendengar Itu Abdur Raheem Green Serasa Ditinju Mike Tyson di Wajah". Republika (in Indonesian). Archived from the original on 12 February 2012. Retrieved 10 April 2012. | Abdur Raheem Green and Anthony Vatswaf Galvin Green |
10 | Karagiannis, Emmanuel (2 January 2018). The New Political Islam: Human Rights, Democracy, and Justice. ISBN 9780812249729. | Abdurraheem Green |
11 | "Why I embraced Islam: Interview with Br. Abduraheem Green". Islamic Voice. Archived from the original on 7 April 2013. Retrieved 28 September 2013. | Abdurraheem Green |
12 | Wilson, Peter (9 December 2006). "Boys need to repent: Green". The Australian. Archived from the original on May 12, 2014. Retrieved 10 April 2012. | Abdur Raheem Green |
13 | "Australia bans Muslim public speaker". The World Today (Australian radio program). 2005-08-11. | Abdur Raheem Green |
14 | "Islamic group's speech at Concordia University is cancelled". CTV News. 21 October 2011. | Abdurraheem Green |
15 | Elgot, Jessica (5 July 2012). "Arsenal ban Islamist preacher from Emirates Stadium". The Jewish Chronicle. Archived from the original on 7 March 2014. Retrieved 7 March 2014. | Abdur Raheem Green |
16 | "Investigation launched into educational charity". Charity Commission, 8 May 2014. Archived from the original on 27 May 2014. Retrieved 26 May 2014. | none. |
17 | Mendick, Robert & Lazarus, Ben (24 May 2014). "'Anti-Semitic' charity under investigation". The Daily Telegraph. Archived from the original on 12 August 2016. Retrieved 26 May 2014. | Abdurraheem Green |
18 | Proctor, Kate (20 May 2015). "Islamic preacher Abdur Raheem Green banned from St James Park by Newcastle United". Evening Chronicle. Archived from the original on 22 May 2015. Retrieved 5 August 2017. | Abdur Raheem Green |
EL 1 | Official website | Abdurraheem Green |
EL 2 | Abdur-Raheem Green Lectures on HalalTube | Abdur-Raheem Green |
EL 3 | Abdur Rahim Green on Peace TV | Abdur Rahim Green |
EL 4 | Colvin, Mark (11 August 2005). "Question mark over Abdur-Raheem Green's visit to Australia Question mark over Abdur-Raheem Green's visit to Australia". PM on Australian Broadcasting Corporation. | Abdur-Raheem Green |
EL 5 | Gregory, Angela (9 August 2005). "Muslim convert rejects radical label". The New Zealand Herald. | Abdur Raheem Green |
EL 6 | Zuarida Mohyin, Susunan (10 June 2010). "Abdur Raheem utamakan dakwah". Utusan Online. Archived from the original on 3 February 2016. | Abdur Raheem Green |
EL 7 | "UK cleric to clear the air on Islam". The Gleaner. 14 May 2011. | Abdur Raheem Green |
In summary the following names are used in cited sources:
If we include the external links, these figures change to:
-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC) updated -- Toddy1 (talk) 11:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
According to the accounts submitted by iERA to the Charity Commission, his name is Anthony W G Green. [1]
The Charity Commission lists four trustees for IERA, where he is named Anthony Waclaw Green. [2] -- Toddy1 (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
According to Companies House, he is Anthony Waclaw Gavin Green, born September 1964. [3]
References
A user ( now blocked) posted a citation to Course Hero. 17:41, 20 July 2021
{{
cite web}}
: CS1 maint: url-status (
link)There was an archived post by @ David Eppstein: at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 272#Semantic Scholar that talked about Course Hero:
This suggests that we should remove this citation. The information it is cited for has another source.-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:07, 21 July 2021 (UTC)