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I'm no expert on Turkey, so I don't want to jump in and start editing the page. I do know, however, that this fellow seems to be a hotly divisive figure in Turkey. In particular, a lot of people seem to think that he's not a secularist (which is mentioned in the article). The only elaboration in the article on that topic seems to be his statement that he's a perfectly nice guy. Can we get a mention of why so many people seem to think he's not a secularist? Thanks. -- George 15:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
The secularism in Turkey is one of the most discussed concepts. It is applied in ways that oppress and discrimate against some parts of the society. Although it is ideally a guarantee for the religious freedom, it does not work that way in Turkey. For instance, wearing headscarfs is banned in schools and public places because of this (mis)interpretation of secularism. Some paranoid individuals consider it as a threat to the republic and try to spread and dominate that fear on public. Because of this ideologic oppression, the public and state are in conflict. The reason is that bureaucratic elits who try to regulate the life in Turkey do not want to lose their power and prestige. They control and press the public, whose beliefs and values are constituting a threat to their selfish interests, by maintaining that imaginative fear in varied aspects of life. Abdullah Gul's possible precidency is something they are scared to death. Becuase the people will see that there is no danger to the republic as they were told when ABdullah Gul will function as a president. This will normalize the life in Turkey, which means that those elits will be seriously criticized and lose their so-called legitimacy. The July 22 elections are one of the signs of this process. Half of the public elected in favor of Abdullah Gul's party. The people/public are now much more aware of who is doing what under what intentions in Turkey. Remember those REPUBLIC PROTESTS before the elections. Now it has been revealed that they were engineered ideologically by the very same center and the same persons/institutions tried to manipulate the public that the republic is in danger. Yes something is in danger, but it is not the republic, it is rather the selfish interests and power of those elits who consider the public as a threat.
This has to be the most inane article on wikipedia. His bio (which was perfectly fine just a week ago) is now replaced with a single line. The main body deals with a current election, as though its the culmination of his life. Would someone kindly stop whoever it is thats erasing his bio, and replace the one previously erased. Thx
If Wikipaedia is to be respected as a reputable source of information then mere rumours, slanderous comments etc must be ommited. His Excellency Dr. Abdullah Gul, is the first President of the Republic of Turkey to have held such office as a direct result of a national referendum. Hence any question as to His Excellency's legitimacy as President is manifestly absurd. His Excellency is a world renowned academic known for his moderate views. His Excellency has also stated his support for secularism on many occassions. Albeit, he insists on balancing secular rule with the right of religious expression. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.209.236 ( talk) 10:14, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Gül's foreign minister office's official page is:
http://www.mfa.gov.tr/grupg/default.htm
Is there an accepted protocol on whether links of this type belong in articles on public officials? Ellsworth 17:44, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
Gul wasn't CEO of IDB (and IDB doesn't use CEO as titles anyway) - AA.
He isn't someone that respected by all of Turkish Nation like rest of his party anyway.
"He isn't someone that respected by all of Turkish Nation like rest of his party anyway." This is a very stupid statement which has not to be discussed here. If you dont like them fine, but other people in Turkey who finally got rid of conflicts and experience a clear development like him and his party
May I ask why people keep scrapping the text from length of an article to a stub? Ben T/ C 11:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the bio part is copyvio, please see these google searches: [1], [2], [3], even this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Denizz ( talk • contribs) 11:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
Martial status? Religion? Children? Etc? Where is all the usual info about key figures? Tourskin 05:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Abdullah Gul is simply servant of Fethullah Gülen. Everybody knows that in Turkey. It is not a secret (All the videos are available in yuotube 1, 2, 3). Wikipedia is a free ancyclopedia. And It should give every detail. Fettullah Gulen wants to change the regime in Turkey by settling islamic rules. So in a very near feature regime in Turkey will change. That is why the date 28 August 2007 is a very important in Turkey's History. Because The Army of Ataturk lost and Fettullah won.. It is strange that there is no Fettullah Gulen in article? —Preceding comment added by onur 19:47, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
Yep, Reds and military are always bad and the great notion of democracy which is promoted by US is always good. AKP's policies which make people happy in the short term will end up in a disaster in the long term. As I said before, every ordinary college student who took introduction to macroeconomics course can understand that. So stop blaming the army to defend AKP. AKP is about five years old. On the other hand, the army celebrated its 2216th anniversary of foundation. Do you know the popular song of Aretha Franklin? R-E-S-P-E-C-T :) Deliogul 10:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The will of people is a weak answer to the problem in Turkey. There are different kinds of people in Turkey. A group of religious people, a group of conservative people, a group of nationalist people, a group of social democrat people, a group of Kurdish activists etc. Half of the conservative voters, all of the religion freak guys and a considerable number of Kurdish people decided AKP is the best choice, a thing doesn't necessarily mean that they want EU. Other voters insisted that AKP will ruin the country and voted for other parties, a think doesn't necessarily mean that they don't want EU. Many people chose AKP for the food and coal help and many others (AKP supporters from the middle class) chose AKP for the wealth that they gained in the short term. Whatever, time will tell the truth as you stated. Note: I would be so ignorant if I didn't see the close ties between US and AKP. Maybe Turkey is not the 51st state but the government are close to work like a colony headquarters :) Deliogul 14:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The article currently has this sentence, in the "presidential candidacy" section
How could he have announced on May 11 that he was intending to run on May 6? -- Delirium 22:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Is Güllük Camii a mosque? It's mentioned in the Early life section but not explained. -- Cam 01:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Türk işi bu. Çok umrumda değil ama adamı pedofil olarak damgalamak istiyor gibisiniz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.99.201.4 ( talk) 05:32, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
I find it strange that you are not disturbed by the fact that he married a child half his age, but rather by people merely stating that fact. And I don't think he is a pedophile either, he is probably just following his prophet's example. Kvorakir 14:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
At the end of the day it was a bona fide marriage hence I don't see any wrong. He saw his future wife, went and asked the girls parents for her hand and followed all the traditional steps. We see this sort of thing in Hollywood everyday. Except in Hollywood the legitimacy of the marriage is in question. It is usually a wealthy man who marries a girl old enough to be his daughter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.209.236 ( talk) 10:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
The article gives as his date of birth 29 October 1950, but in the infobox the date is 10 October 1950. So, which one is it? Q43 08:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Hasn't this been out there long enough? BCapp 10:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
His moteher ancestors info has no reference and been deleted because of Mr. Gul is a living person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.206.100 ( talk) 00:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is Arabic script? It is not necessary. As you know Turks don't use Arabic alphabet now.-- 85.106.156.199 ( talk) 20:43, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Is he really turkish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.0.142.166 ( talk) 07:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Being Turkish is based on citizenship, not ethnicity. 1907AbsoluTurk ( talk) 10:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
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It has turned out that the Republic President Abdullah Gül, who is a friend of Dictator Erdoğan, was the one who reduced the tension and prevented deaths of thousands by the order of the dictator on 29 October 2012, in the Republic Day of Turkey. Dictator Erdoğan gave the police and the Governor of Ankara the order "TO KILL CIVILIANS IF NECESSARY" . President Gül cancelled the "KILL ORDER". Dictator Erdoğan gets more and more bloodthirsty these days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inspectortr ( talk • contribs) 17:48, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
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I'm no expert on Turkey, so I don't want to jump in and start editing the page. I do know, however, that this fellow seems to be a hotly divisive figure in Turkey. In particular, a lot of people seem to think that he's not a secularist (which is mentioned in the article). The only elaboration in the article on that topic seems to be his statement that he's a perfectly nice guy. Can we get a mention of why so many people seem to think he's not a secularist? Thanks. -- George 15:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
The secularism in Turkey is one of the most discussed concepts. It is applied in ways that oppress and discrimate against some parts of the society. Although it is ideally a guarantee for the religious freedom, it does not work that way in Turkey. For instance, wearing headscarfs is banned in schools and public places because of this (mis)interpretation of secularism. Some paranoid individuals consider it as a threat to the republic and try to spread and dominate that fear on public. Because of this ideologic oppression, the public and state are in conflict. The reason is that bureaucratic elits who try to regulate the life in Turkey do not want to lose their power and prestige. They control and press the public, whose beliefs and values are constituting a threat to their selfish interests, by maintaining that imaginative fear in varied aspects of life. Abdullah Gul's possible precidency is something they are scared to death. Becuase the people will see that there is no danger to the republic as they were told when ABdullah Gul will function as a president. This will normalize the life in Turkey, which means that those elits will be seriously criticized and lose their so-called legitimacy. The July 22 elections are one of the signs of this process. Half of the public elected in favor of Abdullah Gul's party. The people/public are now much more aware of who is doing what under what intentions in Turkey. Remember those REPUBLIC PROTESTS before the elections. Now it has been revealed that they were engineered ideologically by the very same center and the same persons/institutions tried to manipulate the public that the republic is in danger. Yes something is in danger, but it is not the republic, it is rather the selfish interests and power of those elits who consider the public as a threat.
This has to be the most inane article on wikipedia. His bio (which was perfectly fine just a week ago) is now replaced with a single line. The main body deals with a current election, as though its the culmination of his life. Would someone kindly stop whoever it is thats erasing his bio, and replace the one previously erased. Thx
If Wikipaedia is to be respected as a reputable source of information then mere rumours, slanderous comments etc must be ommited. His Excellency Dr. Abdullah Gul, is the first President of the Republic of Turkey to have held such office as a direct result of a national referendum. Hence any question as to His Excellency's legitimacy as President is manifestly absurd. His Excellency is a world renowned academic known for his moderate views. His Excellency has also stated his support for secularism on many occassions. Albeit, he insists on balancing secular rule with the right of religious expression. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.209.236 ( talk) 10:14, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Gül's foreign minister office's official page is:
http://www.mfa.gov.tr/grupg/default.htm
Is there an accepted protocol on whether links of this type belong in articles on public officials? Ellsworth 17:44, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
Gul wasn't CEO of IDB (and IDB doesn't use CEO as titles anyway) - AA.
He isn't someone that respected by all of Turkish Nation like rest of his party anyway.
"He isn't someone that respected by all of Turkish Nation like rest of his party anyway." This is a very stupid statement which has not to be discussed here. If you dont like them fine, but other people in Turkey who finally got rid of conflicts and experience a clear development like him and his party
May I ask why people keep scrapping the text from length of an article to a stub? Ben T/ C 11:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the bio part is copyvio, please see these google searches: [1], [2], [3], even this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Denizz ( talk • contribs) 11:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
Martial status? Religion? Children? Etc? Where is all the usual info about key figures? Tourskin 05:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Abdullah Gul is simply servant of Fethullah Gülen. Everybody knows that in Turkey. It is not a secret (All the videos are available in yuotube 1, 2, 3). Wikipedia is a free ancyclopedia. And It should give every detail. Fettullah Gulen wants to change the regime in Turkey by settling islamic rules. So in a very near feature regime in Turkey will change. That is why the date 28 August 2007 is a very important in Turkey's History. Because The Army of Ataturk lost and Fettullah won.. It is strange that there is no Fettullah Gulen in article? —Preceding comment added by onur 19:47, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
Yep, Reds and military are always bad and the great notion of democracy which is promoted by US is always good. AKP's policies which make people happy in the short term will end up in a disaster in the long term. As I said before, every ordinary college student who took introduction to macroeconomics course can understand that. So stop blaming the army to defend AKP. AKP is about five years old. On the other hand, the army celebrated its 2216th anniversary of foundation. Do you know the popular song of Aretha Franklin? R-E-S-P-E-C-T :) Deliogul 10:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The will of people is a weak answer to the problem in Turkey. There are different kinds of people in Turkey. A group of religious people, a group of conservative people, a group of nationalist people, a group of social democrat people, a group of Kurdish activists etc. Half of the conservative voters, all of the religion freak guys and a considerable number of Kurdish people decided AKP is the best choice, a thing doesn't necessarily mean that they want EU. Other voters insisted that AKP will ruin the country and voted for other parties, a think doesn't necessarily mean that they don't want EU. Many people chose AKP for the food and coal help and many others (AKP supporters from the middle class) chose AKP for the wealth that they gained in the short term. Whatever, time will tell the truth as you stated. Note: I would be so ignorant if I didn't see the close ties between US and AKP. Maybe Turkey is not the 51st state but the government are close to work like a colony headquarters :) Deliogul 14:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
The article currently has this sentence, in the "presidential candidacy" section
How could he have announced on May 11 that he was intending to run on May 6? -- Delirium 22:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Is Güllük Camii a mosque? It's mentioned in the Early life section but not explained. -- Cam 01:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Türk işi bu. Çok umrumda değil ama adamı pedofil olarak damgalamak istiyor gibisiniz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.99.201.4 ( talk) 05:32, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
I find it strange that you are not disturbed by the fact that he married a child half his age, but rather by people merely stating that fact. And I don't think he is a pedophile either, he is probably just following his prophet's example. Kvorakir 14:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
At the end of the day it was a bona fide marriage hence I don't see any wrong. He saw his future wife, went and asked the girls parents for her hand and followed all the traditional steps. We see this sort of thing in Hollywood everyday. Except in Hollywood the legitimacy of the marriage is in question. It is usually a wealthy man who marries a girl old enough to be his daughter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.209.236 ( talk) 10:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
The article gives as his date of birth 29 October 1950, but in the infobox the date is 10 October 1950. So, which one is it? Q43 08:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Hasn't this been out there long enough? BCapp 10:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
His moteher ancestors info has no reference and been deleted because of Mr. Gul is a living person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.206.100 ( talk) 00:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is Arabic script? It is not necessary. As you know Turks don't use Arabic alphabet now.-- 85.106.156.199 ( talk) 20:43, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Is he really turkish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.0.142.166 ( talk) 07:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Being Turkish is based on citizenship, not ethnicity. 1907AbsoluTurk ( talk) 10:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
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