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He may or may not be a PhD graduate of SOAS, but let's have reliable evidence. A blog won't do. Nor will a non-neutral site with which Abdul Qayum is connected. Citations to reliable, authoritative, and neutral third-party sources are essential. Wikipedia requires them. Two good sets of Wikipedia guidelines that I have found really useful can be found HERE and HERE. George Custer's Sabre ( talk) 15:35, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
I have listed reliable sources, everywhere the is written he is graduated from SOAS university.
Ermejoso (
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15:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Actually he hasn't completed his Phd yet AHLM13 talk 12:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
I took the liberty of changing the page/article name to Abdul Qayum (London imam) because I can find no evidence on the internet that he has been or is now employed as a scholar, that he is routinely described by neutral commentators as a scholar, or that he has produced significant scholarship. He is an imam and, given that his masjid is in London, I thought it best to name him as "London imam". If anyone thinks the page/article title should be just "imam", I won't mind. Please explain here. My thanks and regards, George Custer's Sabre ( talk) 10:16, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Maulana abdul qayum is not only an imam. He is well known as scholar, either in UK and in saudi arabia.
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109.154.0.156 (
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14:05, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
LOL! Why not? There are also those two references and eveyone knows him a famous scholar. Ask sheik sudais or dr zakir naik if they know him. 109.152.52.202 ( talk) 20:30, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
How many references do you need? You are being very silly and not me. How dare you to write that Sheikh abdul Qayum " Actually, he is not"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.90.177 ( talk) 11:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
What happened in this article? Sure that Shaykh Abdul Qayyum is one of the most famous scholar of all UK (he's known to me) and the sources are provided... as regards this article's name, it was created as "Imam Abdul Qayyum", and previously there was a little mistake in "London imam", it shouldn't be written in capital letter and the "'S" wasn't put, therefore I think IMAM is better. AHLM13 talk 12:11, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
The article's title is not very important, but the important thing is that the reliable sources deleted. This User:GorgeCustersSabre is a vandal. If you see this article from 7 of May you will understand everything. He deleted all references and contents. He also deleted his private life and also that mawlana Akram Nadwi is studying with him. Then he added all meaningless citation needed and this BLP Tag. He also deleted some categories. Can you look also here [1], where he deleted something. Moreover this User:GorgeCustersSabre for another time deleted his name from [2] Actually i know that M Abdul Qayum finished his Phd in the SOAS. Please can you add all sources which was deleted from this racist user and undo all his revision. If you do so you will be awarded either here and in the hereafter. Please do it for Mawlana Abdul Qayum and not for me. 217.44.73.27 ( talk) 11:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
User:GorgeCustersSabre you are a vandal and racist. You attack articles. Are you an honest muslim? Do you fears Allah RABBUL A-lamin? LOL. By seeing you contributions I can understand that you are muslim on for name. [3], [4] in these articles everyday some strange things is happening. So why don't you go these articles to do something better. I also so that you are supporting some admin and user who write in wikipedia against islam. A question, for you is more important Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) or these neutrality of wikipedia? May Allah give you tawfeeq. Wassalam. 109.154.1.137 ( talk) 17:28, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
User:GorgeCustersSabre Why have you changed the argument? Answer my question... I know that you don't have any question. 31.52.139.87 ( talk) 22:24, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
This is a talk page, not a forum. Please stop doing so. What shall Shaykh Abdul Qayyum and others think after seeing this article's history? From 7 may I’ve seen sockpuppetry, but I also agree that George Custer's Sabre made this article WP:NPV, in fact most of his contributions seem as WP:VANDAL. This article is spoilt. I shall keep my eyes in this article, although nowadays I’m very busy. Jumma Mubarak. AHLM13 talk 11:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Dear fellow editors. I am acting in good faith and in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines in my effort to keep this page neutral, accurate and reliable. My issue is this: all the "sources" added to say that Qayum is a world famous scholar, or a scholar at all, are in some way related to him or are advocacy pages which fail the test of the burden of proof required by Wikipedia. I am not a "vandal". That's just silly and unhelpful. Let me be clear: I have nothing against Abdul Qayum. I do not know him or his mosque. Yet I just want my fellow editors to stop thinking that "everyone knows" he is this or that. I want to see decent sources that are not blogs, sources connected to this man, or partisan websites advocating a particular ethnic/cultural/national position. Citations to reliable, authoritative, and neutral third-party sources are essential. Wikipedia requires them. Two good sets of Wikipedia guidelines that I have found really useful can be found HERE and HERE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GorgeCustersSabre ( talk • contribs) 02:58, June 21, 2014
M abdul qayum already finished his phd. I think Ravensfire is a sockpuppet of User:GorgeCustersSabre. They are doing nearly the same thing. what is this?
The normal Wikipedia convention is that subsequent mentions of a name should be restricted to the surname, as per WP:SURNAME. However, in Arabic this makes no sense for names such as 'Abdul Qayum'; this is recognised in WP:SUR. I would suggest using 'Abdul Qayum' throughout. This would have been the case if he had chose to write his name as Abdulqayum. It would probably also have been the case for variations such as 'Abd al-Qayum.
I wonder if this issue been tackled in other Wikipedia entries for such names. UsamahWard ( talk) 11:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
A claim is being made that "by many, he is considered as one of the most influential Muslim scholars of Great Britain". This is extraordinary claim for which very solid sources are needed.The first - [5] is an extremely short blurb from a panel where Qayum is a member. Sorry, this doesn't cut it for me. This isn't a bio - it's from a group who wants to present members of the panel in the highest light possible. For a claim like this, it is not a viable source. It would support Qayum is a member, but that's about it. The second source - [6] would support that IUMS calls Qayum a notable scholar, but I'm not sure about anything else. For AHLM13's excessively broad claim, it offers no support at all. Ravensfire ( talk) 20:07, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
This edit adding the claim about serving the largest Bangladeshi congregation in Europe. Sources given in that edit were [7] and [8]. I've removed both sources and added a cite needed tag to the claim. I've got issues with both sources. Both of them are short blurbs. The first is a basic bio blurb that's 3 sentences long and doesn't support the claim in any way, shape or form. The second source is a promotional blurb for an event where he's the presenter. It's promotional, self-serving and doesn't meet WP:RS. I'm hoping the editor will address these concerns and work to find a good source so rather than remove the claim I've just added an cite needed tag as a compromise. Ravensfire ( talk) 20:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
As a side thought, I've seen several sources that say Qayyum, not Qayum. Are both correct? Only one? Some illumination would be appreciated! Ravensfire ( talk) 20:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Abdul "Qayyum" would be the real one. Though, what is your intention? Do you intend to say that "Abd. Qayyum" doesn't indicate him?-- AHLM13 talk 21:48, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
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He may or may not be a PhD graduate of SOAS, but let's have reliable evidence. A blog won't do. Nor will a non-neutral site with which Abdul Qayum is connected. Citations to reliable, authoritative, and neutral third-party sources are essential. Wikipedia requires them. Two good sets of Wikipedia guidelines that I have found really useful can be found HERE and HERE. George Custer's Sabre ( talk) 15:35, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
I have listed reliable sources, everywhere the is written he is graduated from SOAS university.
Ermejoso (
talk)
15:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Actually he hasn't completed his Phd yet AHLM13 talk 12:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
I took the liberty of changing the page/article name to Abdul Qayum (London imam) because I can find no evidence on the internet that he has been or is now employed as a scholar, that he is routinely described by neutral commentators as a scholar, or that he has produced significant scholarship. He is an imam and, given that his masjid is in London, I thought it best to name him as "London imam". If anyone thinks the page/article title should be just "imam", I won't mind. Please explain here. My thanks and regards, George Custer's Sabre ( talk) 10:16, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Maulana abdul qayum is not only an imam. He is well known as scholar, either in UK and in saudi arabia.
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109.154.0.156 (
talk)
14:05, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
LOL! Why not? There are also those two references and eveyone knows him a famous scholar. Ask sheik sudais or dr zakir naik if they know him. 109.152.52.202 ( talk) 20:30, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
How many references do you need? You are being very silly and not me. How dare you to write that Sheikh abdul Qayum " Actually, he is not"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.90.177 ( talk) 11:42, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
What happened in this article? Sure that Shaykh Abdul Qayyum is one of the most famous scholar of all UK (he's known to me) and the sources are provided... as regards this article's name, it was created as "Imam Abdul Qayyum", and previously there was a little mistake in "London imam", it shouldn't be written in capital letter and the "'S" wasn't put, therefore I think IMAM is better. AHLM13 talk 12:11, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
The article's title is not very important, but the important thing is that the reliable sources deleted. This User:GorgeCustersSabre is a vandal. If you see this article from 7 of May you will understand everything. He deleted all references and contents. He also deleted his private life and also that mawlana Akram Nadwi is studying with him. Then he added all meaningless citation needed and this BLP Tag. He also deleted some categories. Can you look also here [1], where he deleted something. Moreover this User:GorgeCustersSabre for another time deleted his name from [2] Actually i know that M Abdul Qayum finished his Phd in the SOAS. Please can you add all sources which was deleted from this racist user and undo all his revision. If you do so you will be awarded either here and in the hereafter. Please do it for Mawlana Abdul Qayum and not for me. 217.44.73.27 ( talk) 11:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
User:GorgeCustersSabre you are a vandal and racist. You attack articles. Are you an honest muslim? Do you fears Allah RABBUL A-lamin? LOL. By seeing you contributions I can understand that you are muslim on for name. [3], [4] in these articles everyday some strange things is happening. So why don't you go these articles to do something better. I also so that you are supporting some admin and user who write in wikipedia against islam. A question, for you is more important Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) or these neutrality of wikipedia? May Allah give you tawfeeq. Wassalam. 109.154.1.137 ( talk) 17:28, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
User:GorgeCustersSabre Why have you changed the argument? Answer my question... I know that you don't have any question. 31.52.139.87 ( talk) 22:24, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
This is a talk page, not a forum. Please stop doing so. What shall Shaykh Abdul Qayyum and others think after seeing this article's history? From 7 may I’ve seen sockpuppetry, but I also agree that George Custer's Sabre made this article WP:NPV, in fact most of his contributions seem as WP:VANDAL. This article is spoilt. I shall keep my eyes in this article, although nowadays I’m very busy. Jumma Mubarak. AHLM13 talk 11:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Dear fellow editors. I am acting in good faith and in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines in my effort to keep this page neutral, accurate and reliable. My issue is this: all the "sources" added to say that Qayum is a world famous scholar, or a scholar at all, are in some way related to him or are advocacy pages which fail the test of the burden of proof required by Wikipedia. I am not a "vandal". That's just silly and unhelpful. Let me be clear: I have nothing against Abdul Qayum. I do not know him or his mosque. Yet I just want my fellow editors to stop thinking that "everyone knows" he is this or that. I want to see decent sources that are not blogs, sources connected to this man, or partisan websites advocating a particular ethnic/cultural/national position. Citations to reliable, authoritative, and neutral third-party sources are essential. Wikipedia requires them. Two good sets of Wikipedia guidelines that I have found really useful can be found HERE and HERE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GorgeCustersSabre ( talk • contribs) 02:58, June 21, 2014
M abdul qayum already finished his phd. I think Ravensfire is a sockpuppet of User:GorgeCustersSabre. They are doing nearly the same thing. what is this?
The normal Wikipedia convention is that subsequent mentions of a name should be restricted to the surname, as per WP:SURNAME. However, in Arabic this makes no sense for names such as 'Abdul Qayum'; this is recognised in WP:SUR. I would suggest using 'Abdul Qayum' throughout. This would have been the case if he had chose to write his name as Abdulqayum. It would probably also have been the case for variations such as 'Abd al-Qayum.
I wonder if this issue been tackled in other Wikipedia entries for such names. UsamahWard ( talk) 11:37, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
A claim is being made that "by many, he is considered as one of the most influential Muslim scholars of Great Britain". This is extraordinary claim for which very solid sources are needed.The first - [5] is an extremely short blurb from a panel where Qayum is a member. Sorry, this doesn't cut it for me. This isn't a bio - it's from a group who wants to present members of the panel in the highest light possible. For a claim like this, it is not a viable source. It would support Qayum is a member, but that's about it. The second source - [6] would support that IUMS calls Qayum a notable scholar, but I'm not sure about anything else. For AHLM13's excessively broad claim, it offers no support at all. Ravensfire ( talk) 20:07, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
This edit adding the claim about serving the largest Bangladeshi congregation in Europe. Sources given in that edit were [7] and [8]. I've removed both sources and added a cite needed tag to the claim. I've got issues with both sources. Both of them are short blurbs. The first is a basic bio blurb that's 3 sentences long and doesn't support the claim in any way, shape or form. The second source is a promotional blurb for an event where he's the presenter. It's promotional, self-serving and doesn't meet WP:RS. I'm hoping the editor will address these concerns and work to find a good source so rather than remove the claim I've just added an cite needed tag as a compromise. Ravensfire ( talk) 20:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
As a side thought, I've seen several sources that say Qayyum, not Qayum. Are both correct? Only one? Some illumination would be appreciated! Ravensfire ( talk) 20:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Abdul "Qayyum" would be the real one. Though, what is your intention? Do you intend to say that "Abd. Qayyum" doesn't indicate him?-- AHLM13 talk 21:48, 16 March 2015 (UTC)